hulk would be the first one to get his ass thrown into outerspace, if hes so strong then why did........ giantman,superman,rocky thing, cosmic spidey,thor,juggernault,silver surfer and ultron beat his ass? brute strength will never beat most of these guys, it really makes me sick to see people that i know are smart say crazy things, i have nearly ever comic ever made and i have seen hulk get his butt served to him on a silver platter so many times that it made me feel sorry for him, all he wanted to do is be left alone, and he is nowhere close to being the strongest one there is, i dont care how mad he gets, you want proof?........ in one of my books hulk was trapped in adessive-x, he could not break out, captain america had to make hulk angrier so he could break out, it was stated that captain america had to get hulk at his most powerful to break free, that was his limit, he could not get any stronger, he barely broke free, stated by STAN LEE HIMSELF. but people still think he has unlimited strength. all class 100 characters have unlimited strength because it means that one minute they have trouble lifting a large boulder then they turn around and lift a whole city, the phrase unlimited strength is there to explain why did that happened.
Originally posted by james2099
hulk would be the first one to get his ass thrown into outerspace, if hes so strong then why did........ giantman,superman,rocky thing, cosmic spidey,thor,juggernault,silver surfer and ultron beat his ass? brute strength will never beat most of these guys, it really makes me sick to see people that i know are smart say crazy things, i have nearly ever comic ever made and i have seen hulk get his butt served to him on a silver platter so many times that it made me feel sorry for him, all he wanted to do is be left alone, and he is nowhere close to being the strongest one there is, i dont care how mad he gets, you want proof?........ in one of my books hulk was trapped in adessive-x, he could not break out, captain america had to make hulk angrier so he could break out, it was stated that captain america had to get hulk at his most powerful to break free, that was his limit, he could not get any stronger, he barely broke free, stated by STAN LEE HIMSELF. but people still think he has unlimited strength. all class 100 characters have unlimited strength because it means that one minute they have trouble lifting a large boulder then they turn around and lift a whole city, the phrase unlimited strength is there to explain why did that happened.
So you say I win an argument only to come back and use it on another thread?
THere is a standard for proof here that Higher End feats are used when Lower End feats conflict with them (PIS). Uber SHowings beyond thier established powers (Glads vs Hulk, Spider-Man vs Firelord, Wolverine vs Hulk, and more) fall under the SMvsFL rule.
Using "Hulk got choked by a Snake." or "Hulk got stuck by that Glue." or "Hulk got killed by a Tree." as evidence isn't valid as it is PIS.
Originally posted by Morgrulesall
the hulk would beat Glad just he did in the annual 1997;Juggernaut would smoke Hercules easy.The HUlk vs JUggy.Both of them could win.I would give the majority to the hulk. 6/10
Err...not that I want to turn this into a Juggernaut vs. Hulk thread again...but how is the Hulk going to beat Juggernaut?
He won't. Juggernaut wins this match after several years of fighting.
What makes you think the Hulk will suddenly tire after several years? I mean, it might happen, but only if his adrenaline goes down. If the Hulk knocks Juggernaut out of sight, the battle is over for Hulk. The Juggernaut comes back(providing the Hulk is still around) and he can knock him out from behind if he's very quick. Juggernaut knocks Hulk out of sight, The Hulk will come looking for him until he's found him. The fight starts over.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
What makes you think the Hulk will suddenly tire after several years? I mean, it might happen, but only if his adrenaline goes down. If the Hulk knocks Juggernaut out of sight, the battle is over for Hulk. The Juggernaut comes back(providing the Hulk is still around) and he can knock him out from behind if he's very quick. Juggernaut knocks Hulk out of sight, The Hulk will come looking for him until he's found him. The fight starts over.
Believe it or not, but the Hulk CAN fatigue after a severely long fight. It just takes him an extremely long time for this to happen, but it can. And really, he can only get SO mad. I remember one comic where he became so enraged that he almost had a heart-attack/stroke. So clearly, there is some sort of limit that he can reach. Even if it is seemingly limitless.
Originally posted by Dalak
So you say I win an argument only to come back and use it on another thread?THere is a standard for proof here that Higher End feats are used when Lower End feats conflict with them (PIS). Uber SHowings beyond thier established powers (Glads vs Hulk, Spider-Man vs Firelord, Wolverine vs Hulk, and more) fall under the SMvsFL rule.
Using "Hulk got choked by a Snake." or "Hulk got stuck by that Glue." or "Hulk got killed by a Tree." as evidence isn't valid as it is PIS.
I agree with this but however some of these things could happen, Wolverine (as much as i hate to go here) has proven he can take punishment from class 100's, hanging with the Hulk is not that far out of reach considering his agility is Superior to Hulks. Rhino is class 80-85, with very high durability, getting a KO on the Hulk isn't that far out of reach either, should it happen all the time, NO, but could it happen 1-2/10, yes. Doc Oct, had his adamantium arms, hitting with class 20 force multiple times every few seconds, should Oct beat Hulk everytime, NO, but could it happen 1-2/10, of course.
Not all of it is PIS, some of the people hulk has fought have powersets very much capable of KO a non-enraged to a moderately en-raged Hulk. Now if he was FULLY enraged, IE Onslaught saga, then I would have to throw up the PIS flag real quick, but thats not the case in these fights, or most fights Hulk is in.
But as for the fight, Gladiator wins this fight EAAAAAASSSSYYYYY, the guy travels at light speed and sends everybody into orbit, or just tosses the moon at earth, or mars, or venus, or he flings all three of them into the sun before the fight even begins.
The only one I see him having trouble with is Juggernaut, as Glads powerset offers nothing to actually harm him, let alone kill/ko him.
He would probably just keep knocking him into orbit everytime he came back.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Believe it or not, but the Hulk CAN fatigue after a severely long fight. It just takes him an extremely long time for this to happen, but it can. And really, he can only get SO mad. I remember one comic where he became so enraged that he almost had a heart-attack/stroke. So clearly, there is some sort of limit that he can reach. Even if it is seemingly limitless.
It makes no sense. The Hulk doesn't have to tire because the radiation in his blood doesn't just prolong his stamina, it keeps it level. It doesn't give him an extra dose that runs out at some point, it keeps feeding him. Why does it keep feeding him? Because it keeps getting triggered by adrenaline. I would agree that once this adrenaline goes down, fatique would set in.
As for the stroke, was that Grey Hulk? Because he was incredibly sick at the time. Also, I remember several(if not dozens) of instances where he didn't have a limit to what he could archieve. It's also one of the main reason why the Hulk is Marvel's most famous brawler. If Hulk's writers make him uncompromisingly hit a limit, then you'd have a point. But I don't think that's the intention.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
It makes no sense. The Hulk doesn't have to tire because the radiation in his blood doesn't just prolong his stamina, it keeps it level. It doesn't give him an extra dose that runs out at some point, it keeps feeding him. Why does it keep feeding him? Because it keeps getting triggered by adrenaline. I would agree that once this adrenaline goes down, fatique would set in.As for the stroke, was that Grey Hulk? Because he was incredibly sick at the time. Also, I remember several(if not dozens) of instances where he didn't have a limit to what he could archieve. It's also one of the main reason why the Hulk is Marvel's most famous brawler. If Hulk's writers make him uncompromisingly hit a limit, then you'd have a point. But I don't think that's the intention.
If I recall correctly, I'm almost positive it was Green Hulk. One of his enemies was TRYING to make him as angry as possible, in order to induce said stroke. He just kept getting more and more enraged until he just couldn't take it anymore. To me, that says limit, no matter how high it is.
Yes, his adrenaline feeds his stamina, but it can't constantly feed him forever, even during a seemingly endless battle. Soon enough, he would just plain run out of adrenaline. He would EVENTUALLY have to acquire some sort of nutrition or rest, while Juggy will still be fresh as a daisy. Hulk can be knocked out with sufficient blows. Just ask Iron Man. Or Namor. Or Juggernaut for that matter.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
If I recall correctly, I'm almost positive it was Green Hulk. One of his enemies was TRYING to make him as angry as possible, in order to induce said stroke. He just kept getting more and more enraged until he just couldn't take it anymore. To me, that says limit, no matter how high it is.Yes, his adrenaline feeds his stamina, but it can't constantly feed him forever, even during a seemingly endless battle. Soon enough, he would just plain run out of adrenaline. He would EVENTUALLY have to acquire some sort of nutrition or rest, while Juggy will still be fresh as a daisy. Hulk can be knocked out with sufficient blows. Just ask Iron Man. Or Namor. Or Juggernaut for that matter.
I'd like to see that in context.
There's just no proof that he would run out of adrenaline if he doesn't cool down by himself. There just isn't. Also because the adrenaline doesn't just feed his stamin and strength but it also sustains him in every other way. When enraged, he doesn't need food, water or sleep. And there's no reason to believe that extended periods of non-stop fighting would suddenly put an end to that. And it hasn't. Not under normal conditions anyway.
And yes, a non-enraged Hulk can be Kayoed. However, Iron Man may not have kayoed an enraged Hulk. Funny, because Iron tried to hit a non-enraged Hulk on another occasion as hard as he could(during flight!) and he ended up hurting his hand. And the Hulk? He didn't even feel it. You should also remember that Hulk is often used as a tool to give other characters high showings. We refer to this as PIS. Would you accept Aunt May laying the smack on Colossus with her pinky?
So yeah, The Hulk himself has plenty of low showings. Big deal, so have other characters. You can ask Firelord. Or Juggernaut for that matter. Btw, The Juggernaut knocked out Prof. Hulk. That's an important distinction.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
I'd like to see that in context.There's just no proof that he would run out of adrenaline if he doesn't cool down by himself. There just isn't. Also because the adrenaline doesn't just feed his stamin and strength but it also sustains him in every other way. When enraged, he doesn't need food, water or sleep. And there's no reason to believe that extended periods of non-stop fighting would suddenly put an end to that. And it hasn't. Not under normal conditions anyway.
And yes, a non-enraged Hulk can be Kayoed. However, Iron Man may not have kayoed an enraged Hulk. Funny, because Iron tried to hit a non-enraged Hulk on another occasion as hard as he could(during flight!) and he ended up hurting his hand. And the Hulk? He didn't even feel it. You should also remember that Hulk is often used as a tool to give other characters high showings. We refer to this as PIS. Would you accept Aunt May laying the smack on Colossus with her pinky?
So yeah, The Hulk himself has plenty of low showings. Big deal, so have other characters. You can ask Firelord. Or Juggernaut for that matter. Btw, The Juggernaut knocked out Prof. Hulk. That's an important distinction.
The Hulk Iron Man knocked out was pretty damn enraged if you ask me. Iron Man just had to dump all of his energy into one punch in order to put him down.
Namor also took on an enraged Hulk and KOed him with one hit. Where's DarkCrawler when I need a scan?
Professor Hulk or not, Juggernaut still kicked his ass hard. And he could do that to any Hulk (save War Hulk since he was upgraded with Celestial Tech).
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Hulk Iron Man knocked out was pretty damn enraged if you ask me. Iron Man just had to dump all of his energy into one punch in order to put him down.Namor also took on an enraged Hulk and KOed him with one hit. Where's DarkCrawler when I need a scan?
Professor Hulk or not, Juggernaut still kicked his ass hard. And he could do that to any Hulk (save War Hulk since he was upgraded with Celestial Tech).
Yes, I know about the showings. I saw most of them. They conflict his higher showings.
And no, Juggernaut couldn't do the same to Savage Hulk. Prof. Hulk's main weakness is his calculating intellect. During the fight, he kept wondering who his attacker was and why he was attacking him. Hell, he even tried to save him from drowning in quicksand! Would Savage Hulk even remotely care who he was? Probably not. Would Savage Hulk even remotely care about his safety? No, probably not. Would Savage Hulk accept a cold hard blow from behind? No, as soon as he realizes the force of the punch, he'd go raving mad pissed, because "nobody punches Hulk and lives!". The nature of the fight would've been an entirely different one, where Juggernaut doesn't have the advantage of a punch pulling or reasoning Hulk.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yes, I know about the showings. I saw most of them. They conflict his higher showings.And no, Juggernaut couldn't do the same to Savage Hulk. Prof. Hulk's main weakness is his calculating intellect. During the fight, he kept wondering who his attacker was and why he was attacking him. Hell, he even tried to save him from drowning in quicksand! Would Savage Hulk even remotely care who he was? Probably not. Would Savage Hulk even remotely care about his safety? No, probably not. Would Savage Hulk accept a cold hard blow from behind? No, as soon as he realizes the force of the punch, he'd go raving mad pissed, because "nobody punches Hulk and lives!". The nature of the fight would've been an entirely different one, where Juggernaut doesn't have the advantage of a punch pulling or reasoning Hulk.
And so I ask you again. What could even Savage Hulk do to Juggernaut?
P.S.--Juggy wouldn't have drowned anyway. He could've just started walking once he reached the bottom and eventually pulled himself out.
I always read that Hulks strength...came from an extra-dimensional source....which had a seemingly limitless amount of energy or "strength" to supply him with. Even with that being said though their is n way he could EVER beat Juggs physically unless his powerset somehow changed after this Planet Hulk saga
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And so I ask you again. What could even Savage Hulk do to Juggernaut?P.S.--Juggy wouldn't have drowned anyway. He could've just started walking once he reached the bottom and eventually pulled himself out.
Nothing. Did I ever say he could? They are going to stalemate in a straight fight, unless Juggernaut plays smart. You know, making him to calm down. But he better not screw up, because the Hulk isn't really THAT dumb.
I know that Juggernaut wouldn't have drowned. Professor didn't, because he figured he was just your average superhuman fighter, not the Juggernaut himself.