Tourney: Scoobless Vs. Jinzin

Originally posted by leonidas
<<again... i'm using the undamaged version of Grievous from the Clone Wars animated series... he showed much greater speed and agility than he did in the movie, which is set after he had been damaged

he appeared in quite a few episodes of Clone Wars, all of which showed him using speed and agility that would equal Spider-Man... and he can take more punishment too>>

hmm, i wonder if that in itself may be an issue scoob. we (or I at any rate) can SEE jin's feats and they can be coroborated with scans -- we've only your word regarding your amalgam's abilities based on a tv show i've never seen.

you can see about half of Grievous's skill in this clip (provided by Grey Fox):

http://media.putfile.com/Set-Me-Free

.... of course this is without the benefits of the Kull armour, it's plasma cannons, Spider sense, webbing, experience against Venom and without using his blaster or his other arms + lightsabers

....and he still defeats vastly superior numbers... six of whom are telekinetic, telepathic and can see into the future

DAMN , sorry jin . I thought my video would clear all the half-truths about grievous and put things more in your favour... apparently not.

Originally posted by grey fox
DAMN , sorry jin . I thought my video would clear all the half-truths about grievous and put things more in your favour... apparently not.

it's no biggie.. I doubt people are even reading arguments at this point anyways.. none of scoobless attributes matter as he can't survive my inital attack anyways... absolutely NONE of them will help him to avoid 100 pieces of rubble and amusement park from nailing him....

if people want to keep voting for him regardless of reasoning.. well there's simply nothing more I can do....

i've debated my character effectively, just as I argued my scenario and the limitations of scoobs character effectively...

all scoobs is riding on is the benefit of the doubt at this point.. which I'm still not sure why he gets in the first place...

Originally posted by Scoobless
you can see about half of Grievous's skill in this clip (provided by Grey Fox):

http://media.putfile.com/Set-Me-Free

.... of course this is without the benefits of the Kull armour, it's plasma cannons, Spider sense, webbing, experience against Venom and without using his blaster or his other arms + lightsabers

....and he still defeats vastly superior numbers... six of whom are telekinetic, telepathic and can see into the future

until they are wrecked by fear.. which is exactly what grevious used against them to negate those abilities..🙄...

Originally posted by jinzin
until they are wrecked by fear.. which is exactly what grevious used against them to negate those abilities..🙄...

Which is kind of noticeable in the series with the dialogue and all , half of them were ether speaking in gritty or frightened tones .

also consider the fact that when obi fought him without fear he trashed grevious.. when dooku fought him without fear, he was doing it like it was nothing...

they had advance intel on Grievous and Obi Wan had fought him before.... for a Jedi that's too much of an advantage as they have a crapload of powers.... Obi Wan would kill Venom as well... Sabretooth or Taskmaster wouldn't even present him with a minor challenge

if Grievous had had a spider sense, he would have performed a ton better against everyone he fought

Originally posted by jinzin
if people want to keep voting for him regardless of reasoning.. well there's simply nothing more I can do

everyone has a bias towards their own character... just because some people choose not to vote for you is no reason to insult them... maybe they can just see the possibilies that you are not open to because you are unwilling to entertain certain scenarios

😉

fought him before? what? you mean when grevious booked ass as soon as obi showed up? 🙄 yeah.. some fight....

obi wan had a problem dealing with jengo fett... any one of my characters would be entirely too much for him to handle.... maybe not taskmaster.. but that's debateable...

Originally posted by Scoobless
everyone has a bias towards their own character... just because some people choose not to vote for you is no reason to insult them... maybe they can just see the possibilies that you are not open to because you are unwilling to entertain certain scenarios

😉

I insulted no one.. the fact of the matter is that I'd be destroying you with my burrial attack... people keep voting for you... not many of them say why... when I ask them they don't respond.. what then should i be left to believe?

there's only one scenario taking place here.. TBK killing SC that's it.. end of story...

Originally posted by Scoobless
maybe they can just see the possibilies that you are not open to because you are unwilling to entertain certain scenarios

and to prove my point:

Originally posted by jinzin
there's only one scenario taking place here.. TBK killing SC that's it.. end of story...

if there were only one scenario, why have you posted so much in this thread? surely one post would have covered your point of view

😛

oh... and saying that people who didn't vote for you are simply unreasonable

Originally posted by jinzin
if people want to keep voting for him regardless of reasoning

sounds a little insulting to me... or maybe you were just going for patronising

Originally posted by jinzin
I insulted no one

uh huh

Originally posted by Scoobless
and to prove my point:

if there were only one scenario, why have you posted so much in this thread? surely one post would have covered your point of view

😛

oh... and saying that people who didn't vote for you are simply unreasonable

sounds a little insulting to me... or maybe you were just going for patronising

uh huh

cause most of our posts were covering our various abilities, attributes, or lack thereof.... doh

the rest is just reclarification and reminding the readers... you can't avoid my initical strategy nor can you survive.. every time it's brought up you revert to an argument about how you would fair up close.. as if you would have the chance to find out (you'd still die but...) so we just keep at it in a circular argument....

i insulted no one.. there is no logical reasoning to explain why you would survive my initial attack.. thus they are voting regardless of reasoning... simple as.. it is no insult to say an unreasonable person.. does not adhere to reason... 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
you can't avoid my initical strategy nor can you survive

you can't avoid my initial attack, which renders your initial attack plan obsolete

i'll simply know where you are before you know where i am due to my ss for general direction and my night-vision/macrobinoculars for pinpointing you

then it's just a case of performing the attacks as i laid out earlier

you'll be under heavy fire before you can even think about counter-attacking

a handful of laser + plasma shots to the gut & face and you're down

i'll admit i still haven't heard a really good argument for just how he avoids all those things. i admit he's fast and could dodge a few and hack a few, but even given his speed is equal to jin's (and jin's is at tourny max.) there can be no real question that he WILL be struck by at least a few things, can there?

Originally posted by Scoobless
you can't avoid my initial attack, which renders your initial attack plan obsolete

Originally posted by Scoobless
i'll simply know where you are before you know where i am due to my ss for general direction and my night-vision/macrobinoculars for pinpointing you

Originally posted by Scoobless
then it's just a case of performing the attacks as i laid out earlier

you'll be under heavy fire before you can even think about counter-attacking

a handful of laser + plasma shots to the gut & face and you're down

no i'm not.. I've already covered how my shields take care of that quite easily..

I have a shield.. I make another.. my symbiote latches onto the shields and shifts them as needed for protection..Orrrrr my symbiote makes up it's own shield which will hold long enough for my need of it.. AND I can dodge and avoid anything you through at me anyways.. WHILE my tendrils do the ol' stick and yank on you.... there's no reason why i can not..... I can however (regardless) take multiple shots from you.. it only takes a few seconds if that to use my strategy.. THEN BAM I hit you with half the damned amusment park.. you won't survive this conflict simple as that...

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll admit i still haven't heard a really good argument for just how he avoids all those things. i admit he's fast and could dodge a few and hack a few, but even given his speed is equal to jin's (and jin's is at tourny max.) there can be no real question that he WILL be struck by at least a few things, can there?

not at all... which is why i keep saying there's no logical reasoning or argument for why scoobless would ebe able to survive... all he keeps doing is simply ignoring my own argument...

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll admit i still haven't heard a really good argument for just how he avoids all those things. i admit he's fast and could dodge a few and hack a few, but even given his speed is equal to jin's (and jin's is at tourny max.) there can be no real question that he WILL be struck by at least a few things, can there?

how well can Venom aim when he's dead? lol

seriously though, my initial attack will be the first strike in this match... i'm not going to let up the pressure after that ... so he'll have no time to throw "hundreds" of objects... even if he could manage to throw twenty.... chances are his aim will be off due to the constant pain he's under (due to his stomach being vaporised in the first volley)

Grey Fox's little vid also showed Grievous destroying many items being hurled at him by the Jedi... and that was only using two arms

http://media.putfile.com/Set-Me-Free

now he can couple that with spider sense and speed as to avoid the five objects TBK might actually hurl on target, while still piling on the pressure with constant fire

Originally posted by jinzin
i insulted no one.. there is no logical reasoning to explain why you would survive my initial attack.. thus they are voting regardless of reasoning... simple as.. it is no insult to say an unreasonable person.. does not adhere to reason... 😕

Grevious was alot of hype and fluff, yeah he was cool when he was taking out the lower level jedi, Jedi which were quite inexperienced and were

Spoiler:
also taken out by the clone troopers under order 66

It's also been noted that the Spidersense doesn't react to symbiotes rendering it useless for detecting TBK. That's two of the characters neutrilized, leaving just the stargate part. But with the similarly themed aspects of the character virtually removed, lacking the added clone saga, clone wars backing. The person with the enhanced agility speed and mock spidersense is the faster more agile character. Sabertooth and Venom alone are a potent combination, throw in the photographic reflexes, giving the ability to imitate the opponent and there really isn't much SC can do. His movements can be mimicked and countered as well. Jinzin's character is almost the way I'd design an uber character. He's got sort of a mimicking thing going on(I'd go with a modified synch myself), sort of a shapeshifting going on(I had more of a modified morph+clayface), the only thing missing is a modified tarot for the manipulation of astral energy.

But I digress, Venom neutrolizes the Scarlet spider aspect.
Taskmaster+Venom neutrilize Grevious
and the stargate krull warrior on his own probably couldn't stand up to sabertooth.

Anyway that's my reasoning. Jinzin's tactic is pretty good, because the symbiote neutrilizes the Spidersense, and Grevious isn't a jedi, so lacks any real pregcog to deal with the 100 debris attack. . .

Originally posted by Scoobless
how well can Venom aim when he's dead? lol

seriously though, my initial attack will be the first strike in this match... i'm not going to let up the pressure after that ... so he'll have no time to throw "hundreds" of objects... even if he could manage to throw twenty.... chances are his aim will be off due to the constant pain he's under (due to his stomach being vaporised in the first volley)

Grey Fox's little vid also showed Grievous destroying many items being hurled at him by the Jedi... and that was only using two arms

http://media.putfile.com/Set-Me-Free

now he can couple that with spider sense and speed as to avoid the five objects TBK might actually hurl on target, while still piling on the pressure with constant fire

none of those objects are near the size of what I can hurl at you... all 100 things are coming at the same time... not one after another.. 🤨

and your blasts don't have anywhere NEAR the effect thatyou think they do as i've already painfully displayed...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371301&perpage=20&highlight=the+big+kahuna&pagenumber=7

your false assumptions... or false hope.. I'm not sure which.. is no real argument to the challenge I've presented to you.. you can't put me down in seconds with lazers which is what you need to do.. and that's IF you friggin hit me.. and you can't avoid this assualt that's all there is to it...