Tourney: Scoobless Vs. Jinzin

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Originally posted by Creshosk
Well I was avoiding saying why I thought you would win because I didn't want it to seem like I was in the debate. . .but if you want a reason then I'll give them to you.

Grevious was alot of hype and fluff, yeah he was cool when he was taking out the lower level jedi, Jedi which were quite inexperienced and were

Spoiler:
also taken out by the clone troopers under order 66
He was big, he was flashy and when he's glitz and bang failed to impress one of the more skilled jedi Grevious went down hard.

It's also been noted that the Spidersense doesn't react to symbiotes rendering it useless for detecting TBK. That's two of the characters neutrilized, leaving just the stargate part. But with the similarly themed aspects of the character virtually removed, lacking the added clone saga, clone wars backing. The person with the enhanced agility speed and mock spidersense is the faster more agile character. Sabertooth and Venom alone are a potent combination, throw in the photographic reflexes, giving the ability to imitate the opponent and there really isn't much SC can do. His movements can be mimicked and countered as well. Jinzin's character is almost the way I'd design an uber character. He's got sort of a mimicking thing going on(I'd go with a modified synch myself), sort of a shapeshifting going on(I had more of a modified morph+clayface), the only thing missing is a modified tarot for the manipulation of astral energy.

But I digress, Venom neutrolizes the Scarlet spider aspect.
Taskmaster+Venom neutrilize Grevious
and the stargate krull warrior on his own probably couldn't stand up to sabertooth.

Anyway that's my reasoning. Jinzin's tactic is pretty good, because the symbiote neutrilizes the Spidersense, and Grevious isn't a jedi, so lacks any real pregcog to deal with the 100 debris attack. . .

i do have energy manipulation though to some extent I can preform feats comparible to iron fist thanks to TM...

Originally posted by jinzin
no you won't.. with my senses I sniff you out waaaaaaay before you can even get a visual on me

that's entirely dependant on the wind and my body odour... which, as a Cyborg, i don't have

Originally posted by jinzin
THEN my symbiote adapts to the colors of the environment

symbiote camouflage falls under the "no invisibility" rule

Originally posted by jinzin
I have symbiotic strands going all around you to cause your spider sense to go all crazy without you knowing from where...

doesn't make the slightest difference, i knew your direction before you did anything ... you have no idea where i am at the start to "have symbiotic strands going all around" me... you're still waiting on the scent that you're not going to get from the wind that could very well be going the wrong way for you..... your finding me is entirely dependent on certain factors that may never occur... whereas my knowing roughly where you are is instantaneous

Originally posted by jinzin
no i'm not.. I've already covered how my shields take care of that quite easily

your single shield cant help you if you don't know an attack is coming

you've yet to show any instance where a photonic emitter has created multiple shields at once

Originally posted by jinzin
i do have energy manipulation though to some extent I can preform feats comparible to iron fist thanks to TM...
Not quite like a slightly modified tarot.

Tarot was the Hellion that could make things solidly real by manipulating astral energy. Mostly she was stuck with Tarot cards as she didn't seem to be able to concentrates without them.

That was the drawback I wanted to remove, the dependency on the tarot cards.

Originally posted by jinzin
i insulted no one.. there is no logical reasoning to explain why you would survive my initial attack.. thus they are voting regardless of reasoning... simple as.. it is no insult to say an unreasonable person.. does not adhere to reason... 😕

Are you calling everyone who voted for scoob (myself included) unreasonable because they didn't vote for you?

They are entitled to their opinion, just because you don't agree with them, theres no need to call them unreasonable people.....thats just being....well unreasonable............. 🙁

Originally posted by Scoobless
that's entirely dependant on the wind and my body odour... which, as a Cyborg, i don't have

you have organic parts.. you produce body odour and I can track by more things than boy odour...

Originally posted by Scoobless
symbiote camouflage falls under the "no invisibility" rule

I'm not invisable.. I'm simply blending in...

again going by strict rules you can't dodge any more than 7 out of 10 projectiles.. 1 is all I need to hit wyou with for the other 92 to take effect... 😉

Originally posted by Scoobless
doesn't make the slightest difference, i knew your direction before you did anything ...

how by using your spider sense.. which doesn't work like that.. and doesn't work on me.. and if it is working is going awry due to multiple symibotic strands that I sent after you after scooping you out first...? pfffftttt..

Originally posted by Scoobless
you have no idea where i am

enhanced sense yes i do...

Originally posted by Scoobless
at the start to "have symbiotic strands going all around" me... you're still waiting on the scent that you're not going to get from the wind that could very well be going the wrong way for you..... your finding me is entirely dependent on certain factors that may never occur... whereas my knowing roughly where you are is instantaneous

you don't have damned telepathy or precog on anywhere near the level you're talking about.. hell even spider man couldn't locate a villain in a damned airvent despite his spider sense.... yet you're going to find me in an amusement park where you 1) can't see me.. and 2) can't use your spider sense on me? again.. PFFFFFFFT!

all your retorts rely on benefits of the doubt while mine are contingent on the skills I already possess...

Originally posted by Scoobless
your single[/] shield cant help you if you don't know an attack is coming

again enhanced sense put me a split second behind spiderman in what I can be alerted to danger as proved in new avengers 5..(or was it 6?)

[i]Originally posted by Scoobless
you've yet to show any instance where a photonic emitter has created multiple shields at once

i've given you plenty of instances where he makes multiple weapons during the same fight.. he however only makes them as he needs them.. assuming thathe can't is yet another benefit of the doubt that you are not getting.

Originally posted by willRules
Are you calling everyone who voted for scoob (myself included) unreasonable because they didn't vote for you?

They are entitled to their opinion, just because you don't agree with them, theres no need to call them unreasonable people.....thats just being....well unreasonable............. 🙁

I gathered he was talking about giving a reason for voting.

un- means not or no. No reason given? That's why I gave my reason, so I wasn't unreasonably voting for jinzin.

Originally posted by willRules
Are you calling everyone who voted for scoob (myself included) unreasonable because they didn't vote for you?

They are entitled to their opinion, just because you don't agree with them, theres no need to call them unreasonable people.....thats just being....well unreasonable............. 🙁

all i'm saying is if you think scoobs can win but you can provide a reasonable well reason for why given the circumstances.. than why assume he will?

Originally posted by jinzin
all i'm saying is if you think scoobs can win but you can provide a reasonable well reason for why given the circumstances.. than why assume he will?

Ok good point.

I think scoobless will win due to the various augmentations on top of the already powerful general grievous.

Don't get me wrong. I think that Jinzin's character is also very powerful (And very cool too) but from the scenarios i have already read, i see Scoobless character more likely to win............

Originally posted by jinzin
all i'm saying is if you think scoobs can win but you can provide a reasonable well reason for why given the circumstances.. than why assume he will?

funny how you didn't demand a reason from the people who only wrote "I vote for Jinzin"

well.... not funny.... more.... unreasonable

Originally posted by jinzin
again going by strict rules you can't dodge any more than 7 out of 10 projectiles..

using spider sense alone perhaps... but Grievous is already a very fast, agile character who's been proven capable of dodging multiple items at once himself... laserfire included... so when added together with the Spidey sense i'll be dodging around %98 to %99 of everything... and slicing up/blasting the rest

Originally posted by jinzin
how by using your spider sense.. which doesn't work like that.. and doesn't work on me

yes it does:

"Exact direction of the trouble"

and yes, it does work on you

Originally posted by jinzin
enhanced sense yes i do...

not before i know where you are... not by a long shot

Originally posted by jinzin
again enhanced sense put me a split second behind spiderman in what I can be alerted to danger as proved in new avengers 5..(or was it 6?)

when was Venom, Taskmaster OR Sabretooth in New Avengers?

i've been getting New Avengers each month and i don't recall seeing any of them....

Originally posted by jinzin
i've given you plenty of instances where he makes multiple weapons during the same fight

he makes one at a time in all the comics i've read with him in it .... can you show scans proving otherwise?

Originally posted by jinzin
assuming thathe can't is yet another benefit of the doubt that you are not getting.

assuming? he's never done it... why don't you PROVE otherwise?

eeeewwwww . . .

NOW this is getting REALLY interesting . . . 😱

Jinzin wins he has powers beyond beleif, no kmcer except me can defeat him

whats the vote count??

Nice battle. I say Jinzin wins.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Nice battle. I say Jinzin wins.

you are correct

Ill explain. I personally think Venom is faster than Grevious. Eventhough Scoob has 4 lightsabers, Jin has the kitana's that can gut the lightsabers and render them useless. Jinzin also has the strength and fighting skill advantage over Scoobles.

Jinzon wins this thread like crazy, plus griveous is super slow, he almost got outrunned by obi-wan

Voting for jinzin.

1.faster.
2.stronger.
3.better fighter.
4.more durable.
5.up close & mid range advantage.
6.more deadly weapons.

Notice to participants, and anyone counting votes...

The eligibility date (set at the beginning of the tourney) is July 31 (and before). Anyone who became a member after that is ok. Rage gets an exemption from this rule (I think he voted in this match) because I can confirm via sock-check that he has been here longer. Anyone else who was a member after that, their vote will not be counted.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Notice to participants, and anyone counting votes...

The eligibility date (set at the beginning of the tourney) is July 31 (and before). Anyone who became a member after that is ok. Rage gets an exemption from this rule (I think he voted in this match) because I can confirm via sock-check that he has been here longer. Anyone else who was a member after that, their vote will not be counted.

-DM

I wasted my time reading this thread then 😱