go watch clone wars again, Grievous was performing huge leaps, incredibly fast movements and was even capable of fighting Jedi Masters while standing on his hands and holding his Lightsaber(s) in his feet.... He's Spidey's equal in agility
Don't start talking about clone-wars or some SW fan will report back to the forum and their will be a huge ruckus over wether clone-wars is EU or not.
Originally posted by Scoobless
go watch clone wars again, Grievous was performing huge leaps,
incredibly fast movements and was even capable of fighting Jedi
Masters while standing on his hands and holding his Lightsaber(s) in
his feet.... He's Spidey's equal in agility
none of grevious' feats in clone wars prove him to be anywhere near
spiderman's equal in terms of agility.. NOTHING.
For instance… The Leaper can jump 3 stories in the air, but daredevil
a normal human, is easily his superior in agility.
Speedball is incredibly fast, but speed doesn't equate to agility
either.
Brazilian martial artists can stand on their hands while
simultaneously kicking at their opponents.. do you assume them to be
spiderman's equal in agility as well? 🤨
Agility is a characteristic that results from one who is able to
secure themselves through nimble movements... grevious is powerful
fast and unorthodox, he however never showed himself to be nimble in
the way that spiderman has.. not even close.. your assumption that he
is anything near spidey in overall agility is nothing more than
wishful thinking.. the one time he could have proven his agility (to
dodge and twist around gunfire) he opted to run away instead… agility
is spiderman's game.. you are no spiderman…
Originally posted by Scooblessnor do my shields agility,
short bursts in rapid fire.... and their power source is in no
danger of running out
Originally posted by Scooblesshe survives, and prevails through continuous fire…
the symbiote always suffers though.... in fact in the examples
where he does barely manage to survive sound blasts and whatnot, his
symbiote is only ever partially covering him... a couple of plasma
hits to vaporise the symbiote leaves you exposed and unprotected
Originally posted by Scoobless
Spider-Man can catch bullets too (see recent issues)....
what's your point? You're not spiderman… you don't even have his
clones body….
Originally posted by Scooblesswhich
and your energy shield is a very small circular shape that can
only protect a very small portion of you at a time
Originally posted by Scoobless
Obi Wan fought a post Clone Wars Grievous who was carrying an
injury and had no SS... SC has all of Grievous's training and skill +
danger sense and kickass armour..... if you even came close to
performing a stroke that could damage his wrists he'd have more than
enough time to move that arm.... or thrust through you with another
his "injury" shouldn't bare any hinderence to his ability to rotate
his wrists fast… there is no cause effect relationship there that I
can see considering his has a robotic body.. so please feel free to
point one out to me.. he was outdone by a superior fighter…
sabretooth's already a level 7 in fighting ability.. coupled with TM's
fighting styles (i.e. swordsman) and his photographic reflexes you'd
be lucky to last minutes.. if that…
as for cutting of my arm.. you can try.. too bad I have an adamantium
skeleton, so you'll be cutting off jack shit... and that will only
leave you open to my attacks.. sorry but again.. you simply can not
deal with TBK and an indefinite number of tendrils coming your way…
you will fall trying.. you will fight.. fight bravely.. and you will
die.. you simply don't have the tools here to take me h2h…
Originally posted by Scoobless
your energy weapons are useless against my armour, Your Katana is
also severely impaired by the bulletproof aspects of the armour to the
point where it will slow down to such a degree as to be ineffective
against my droid body...Claws... well, to use them you have to get
very close... and that just gives me more advantages
energy weapons useless? I sincerely doubt it.. otherwise grevious
wouldn't be running away from energy blasts as well as bullets like crazy.. by your characters own
bio.. for several fights now.. it's been stated that the kull armor
only covers two of your arms.. so I can get through the rest of your
body just fine with no hinderence whatsoever.. and again.. up close I
can simply overwhelm you with tendrils… I don't even really have to
fight you persay… you can't fight them off forever.. especially if I'm
sitting back taking potshots at your eyes with my barretas and
bullseye-like precision. Or launching shields at you while you fend of
the tendrils to rattle your skull…
Originally posted by Scoobless
your tendrils which are very easy to slice off considering my SS
gives me plenty of warning for my superfast limbs to react
again.. how is your ss working on a symbiote who's already proven to
be too fast for your character boasting said ability? Especially when
your body now has considerably less agility than he did? You can't
react to 200 tendrils when you have 4 arms to do so… sorry.. you're
not that fast.. nor are you that good.
Originally posted by Scoobless
My pre-cog works just fine.... whereas yours is... well....
nonexistent Venom's "moc spider sense" is just his ability to see in
various directions at once..... it doesn't give him any advance warning
No one's arguing your pre-cog working.. it's just not working against
venom.. as has already been painfully displayed… as for venom not
having a moc spidey sense… hmmmm which would be why brock dedected
danger approaching him when he fended of the jury before going off the
fight drake right? Riiiiight… 🙄
Originally posted by Scooblessno they won't I've just proven
hell.... if you stay at a distance my plasma blasts will take care
of you easily enough...
.
Originally posted by Scoobless
i just have more options up close in this case..
no you don't I have a symbiote giving me a WAAAAAY larger amount of
versatility than yourself.
Originally posted by Scoobless
.. plus your shield.... when i hit it with Impact Webbing it'll
just wrap around it and then travel up your arm... continual hits will
incase Venom just like it did the other time he fought Scarlet Spider
(in that comic i posted)
ah impact webbing, you're so predictable… first off, I can simply
shoot webbing in turn.. the difference.. yours runs out.. mine
doesn’t… second.. if you DID hit the shield.. the shield is levitated
off of TM's arm…. Lol… the webbing starts to wrap around the shield..
that's fine I still just throw it at you.. when it connects.. you now
have your own damned webbing wrapping around you like crazy… great
strategy… 🙄 you try to deflect the shield and you get tendriled even more easily than before.... you try to fend that off and tbk follows up with admantium claws...
Originally posted by Scooblessa venom who once again.. IS NOT
FYI, Impact Webbing took Venom out for a good couple of minutes
leaving him helpless.... when that happens here i'll just follow it up
with a Lightsaber assault
Originally posted by Scoobless
Spider-man had a useless SS... i don't... plus CW Grievous is just as
agile as Spidey has ever been
(getting strangled by own sweater, gutted, and used like a human golf club) doesn’t seem too useful to me.. 😛 )
As far as grevious’ agility is concerned... prove it... feats would dictate otherwise..
Originally posted by Scoobless
and Spidey has time to knock him around and catch all the debris with
webbing to save a bunch of people.... with the same speed, and no
reason to try to save anyone, as soon as you attempt that you'll be
sporting several new holes through your suit and body
With other buildings as a use for support.. I start launching steel rods and roller coaster seats at you (hundreds at a time) you will eventually submit to the area wide attack....
Originally posted by Scoobless
you wont be punching anyone from inside an impact webbing cocoon
Which is why I A) won’t be in a cocoon in the first place.. or B) can cut, slither, or break free of it with ease if I was....
Originally posted by Scoobless
once the flesh has been melted/cut from your bones
Which isn’t in your capability to do... 😕
Originally posted by Scoobless
dammit... at least wait for a couple of responses before voting.... and BTW...Lightsabers and plasma blasts will go through Venom, Taskmaster or Sabretooth pretty damn easily
it would be hard pressed to go through venom alone.. it WOULDN'T go through sabretooth (adamantium)... and while they could pass through TM.. they sure as hell ain't "passing through" THE BIG KAHUNA... that is of course assuming you were lucky enough to connect in the first place.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Uatu says:this, coupled with Grievous's training in tactics and close quarters combat, makes SC a formidable match for anyone
spiderman who, also happens to get absolutely butt raped in nearly every confrontation he has with the V-man, who got downright HUMILIATED by a weaker, slower, and more powerless version of sabretooth even WITH punisher's assistance, who had a hell of a time dealing with taskmaster on more than one occasion.
(and by the way.... YOU ARE NOT SPIDERMAN!) my character's more spiderman than you are.. at least TBK knows peter parker due to pete's bonding with the symbiote...
now that i've more carefully thought this through....
strength.. this is obvious.. tbk was always one of the strongest bruisers in the tourny right from the get go... where grevious' cyborg body gives him considerable strength, he is no TBK.
agility... venom has comparative agility with spiderman, sabretooth, proved himself to be quite agile during his x-men training sessions, and taskmaster can memic the agility of both spiderman and daredevil as well as numerous others with stuning perfection...
grevious is a robotic cyborg who can stand on his hands and jump really high.. pfffft.... agility goes to me...
speed... again.. scarlet fever only has one character to contribute to his speed.. I have enhanced speed and reflexes from sabretooth that has been further augmented.. then the symbiote lending even more speed and faster reflexes.. then TM's ability to go double speed at will... while you may be able to run faster.. this is not a foot race and you will get destroyed in combative and reflexive speed thanks to my amalgamation... speed goes to me...
fighting ability... scarlet has a decent fighting ability with unorthodox moves... while TBK boasts a level seven fighting ability, superior agility and a symbiote that gives options for even more unorthodox moves coupled with sabretooth's training and natural instincts for fighting which according to logan are superb, and TM's daily training routines that put him in leagues with marvels best h2h fighters as well as his ability to use photgraphic reflexes which allow him to pick up on suttle patterns in his opponents fighting style... fighting ability goes to me...
ranged weaponry.. we both have webbs but yours runs out and mine doesn't, my webbing is stronger and more resilient than yours. you have short burst fire which would be an advantage if you could hit me or do significant damage with them.. but I have precision aiming with my beretas and you have weak points.. my symbiote also gives me more options and versatility to make use of it for long ranged attacks against you... this is either a tie or it goes to me...
reflexes... (recalls examples of venom ALONE trouncing scarlet, sabretooth ALONE using superior reflexes to grab spidey's throat)... mine, nuff said.
durability... adamantium skeleton and two healing factors (one enhanced) doesn't hurt me too badly there if I meay say so myself.. with shields and a symbiote for further support... i'll claim victory to this as well...
versatility.. symbiote = mine.
adaptability.. photographic reflexes= mine
experience.. sabretooth= mine.
after carefully thining this through.. I'm curious what physical advantages exactly, do you think you have in this fight? if any...
Originally posted by grey fox
Scoobless , I'm sorry to say you picked the weakest body out of the lot , grievous has no major armour on his stomach where all of his vital organs are and after you have been de-lightsabred , I'm guessing jinzin will web up the organ area and rip it right out.
if I so choose.. i could as easily gut him, or cut him in half with my katana... or mercy kill him with a bullet to the brain... or smother him with symbiote.. or crush him with it.. or throw tons and tons of rubble, amusement park rides, etc etc on top of him for a burial.
Originally posted by grey fox
Scoobless , I'm sorry to say you picked the weakest body out of the lot , grievous has no major armour on his stomach where all of his vital organs are and after you have been de-lightsabred , I'm guessing jinzin will web up the organ area and rip it right out.
Er, actually he's wearing the Kull armor (from his 3rd pick). Not taking sides, just wanted to clarify.
Originally posted by jinzin
as proved? how? scarlet was losing that entire fight after he got gutted by venom.... he won by luck... then admitted to winning by luck.. then "proved" it the next time they fought.. and venom flung him around like a damned rag doll...
proved by the fact that his spider sense was working throughout the whole fight
Originally posted by jinzin
like when he was gutted by venom? no.. how about when venom nearly killed him by stragling him with his own sweater? no... oh I know.. how about when venom grabbed him and smacked him up and down an apartment building like a crash dummy?...pffffft 🙄
he had never fought Venom before.... of course he'd take some hits... doesn't change the fact that his SS works against him
Originally posted by grey fox
Don't start talking about clone-wars or some SW fan will report back to the forum and their will be a huge ruckus over wether clone-wars is EU or not.
I don't care if it's EU... that's the character i'm using
Originally posted by jinzin
none of grevious' feats in clone wars prove him to be anywhere near
spiderman's equal in terms of agility.. NOTHING.
except for his super speed, ability to switch between fighting with arms and legs in an instant, his superhuman acrobatic feats, his ability to fight five Jedi masters simultaneously ... and win... his superhuman contortion-ism, his thirty + foot leaps, his ability to run along walls and ceilings and his phenomenal foot speed........ but i guess you just missed those episodes
🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
the one time he could have proven his agility (to
dodge and twist around gunfire) he opted to run away instead
without a force sense or spider sense attempting to dodge lasers would be suicide.... you're only proving that Grievous is smarter than TBK
now that he has spider sense and EAA (armour) he not only can dodge anything Spidey can dodge... but he can choose not to and not have to worry about damage from most weaponry
Originally posted by jinzin
photographic reflexes enhanced senses or precog
again... you don't have pre-cog... Venom has NEVER had pre-cog... he just sees in more directions than normal
Photographic reflexes are nice, but when you have a SS to counter any attack they are simply outclassed.... and it's not like you can copy the moves of someone who doesn't even have a humanoid body
and your enhanced smell and such are useless in a close quarters fight
Originally posted by jinzin
he survives, and prevails through continuous fire…
CONTINUOUS… you don't have continuous fire
yup... that tenth of a second or less gap between impacts really gives you time to heal from flesh, muscle and symbiote being seared from your bones
🙄
(btw.... i was being sarcastic..... in case you didn't realise)
Originally posted by jinzin
you're neglecting what happens almost immediately after his assailants
stop attacking him… his symbiote gets right back into working order
and he gets right back into action
good thing i'm not planning to stop attacking halfway through slaughtering you then
😄
Originally posted by jinzin
due to sabretooth's contribution
to my amalgam, blasts won't even have the effects that they do on
eddie making them even more useless to you
when did sabretooth become immune to heat? 😕 ... oh that's right... he didn't
Originally posted by jinzin
what's your point? You're not spiderman… you don't even have his
clones body
my point is that i have his senses and equal speed... not to mention the fact that SC is bulletproof before he puts on the EAA
Originally posted by jinzin
which
is why I commented on the fact that I can make multiple shields to
provide safety…
symbiote shields? they burn easily and the more you make the more you drain Venom's strength... you only have one energy shield and it only covers a fraction of your mass at any given time... it'd be extremely simple to fire from various directions at once and still score hits
Originally posted by jinzin
his "injury" shouldn't bare any hinderence to his ability to rotate
his wrists fast… there is no cause effect relationship there that I
can see considering his has a robotic body.. so please feel free to
point one out to me
again, you've completely missed the point.
his wrist rotations worked fine, the point was, now pay attention, Obi Wan is a Jedi master, he has senses that allowed him to see moments into the future throughout the fight and so was able to time his strikes perfectly..... now Grievous's abilities are backed up by a similar sense and he is able to tell when he's in danger and move to avoid it
i'm reasonably sure you know what a spider sense is, so how did you not get that?
Originally posted by jinzin
as for cutting of my arm.. you can try.. too bad I have an adamantium
skeleton, so you'll be cutting off jack shit... and that will only
leave you open to my attacks.. sorry but again.. you simply can not
deal with TBK and an indefinite number of tendrils coming your way…
you will fall trying.. you will fight.. fight bravely.. and you will
die.. you simply don't have the tools here to take me h2h…
I don't recall ever claiming to cut off your arm
I can however cut through the flesh on your body with extreme ease... even slice chunks of it off... your entire stomach area is completely defenceless to lightsaber attacks as is most of your neck.... even with some sword-fighting ability TM doesn't have an indestructible sword, one contact with a LS and it's gone
at close range i have all the advantages, lightsabers cut through everything except bone, you become a much easier target for impact webbing (which has proven very useful against Venom in the past) my plasma blasts will have almost %100 accuracy and as soon as any part of your symbiote uncovers, or evaporates, i hit you with stingers which hinder your healing factor and slow you down
but really, a lightsaber poke through the eye is all i need
not to mention how vulnerable your groin region is to lightsabers or plasma blasts 😮
Originally posted by jinzin
energy weapons useless? I sincerely doubt it.. otherwise grevious
wouldn't be running away from energy blasts as well as bullets like crazy.. by your characters own
bio.. for several fights now.. it's been stated that the kull armor
only covers two of your arms..
another misunderstanding (I blame Digi) the kull armour covers everything EXCEPT[b/] two of his arms
Originally posted by jinzin
[B]No one's arguing your pre-cog working.. it's just not working against
venom.. as has already been painfully displayed… as for venom not
having a moc spidey sense… hmmmm which would be why brock dedected
danger approaching him when he fended of the jury before going off the
fight drake right? Riiiiight… 🙄
Venom does not have a spider sense... he only sees around himself
and Scarlets SS works perfectly against Venom
Originally posted by jinzin
no they won't I've just proven
that… you'll have a hard enough time hitting me alone.. then even if
you do, you'll have to get past quite a bit of protection, healing
factors to do any decent amount of damage…
yeah, but if you stay at distance i have forever to do that... you'll constantly be taking damage while i'll be sitting safely, taking as many shots at you as i feel like with no cause to worry about energy depletion
Originally posted by jinzin
no you don't I have a symbiote.
a symbiote that's vulnerable to almost all of my weapons
Originally posted by jinzin
ah impact webbing, you're so predictable
next you'll be saying i'm predictable for using lightsabers..... of course i'm going to use the weapons i have available, what's your point?
Originally posted by jinzin
I can simply
shoot webbing in turn.. the difference.. yours runs out.. mine
doesn’t
actually, yours does run out..... it's all part of the symbiote's mass... Spidey once used that to defeat Venom
but i have a greater tactical mind and wont be throwing my weapons aways as you will be under the influence of two minds that prefer to just go for the frontal attack all the time
Originally posted by jinzin
a venom who once again.. IS NOT
PRONE TO USING HIS DODGING ABILITY due to cis… TBK however does not
when does sabretooth ever dodge? TM might try, but two anamalistic minds outvote one rational mind
Originally posted by jinzin
As far as grevious’ agility is concerned... prove it... feats would dictate otherwise..
if i could scan a cartoon i would.... but being fast enough to humiliate five people at once who are all fast enough to block/dodge lasers seems like a decent feat to me
Originally posted by jinzin
With other buildings as a use for support.. I start launching steel rods and roller coaster seats at you (hundreds at a time) you will eventually submit to the area wide attack
and with your tendrils extended you leave yourself wide open with less symbiote mass to protect you from plasma or lightsaber attacks
your foolish move just got you gutted 😛
Originally posted by jinzin
Which is why I A) won’t be in a cocoon in the first place.. or B) can cut, slither, or break free of it with ease if I was....
up close you can't dodge in time while worrying about lightsabers
even a quick escape isn't an instant escape..... a moments entrapment is all i need to shove a lightsaber though your eyes, heart and groin
😈
Originally posted by jinzin
Which isn’t in your capability to do... 😕
again you seem to think that lightsabers can't cut through your flesh.... what could you possibly be basing that on? 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
who got downright HUMILIATED by a weaker, slower, and more powerless version of sabretooth even WITH punisher's assistance
are you talking about "Designer Genes"? because i have that and i don't recall Spidey being "humiliated"... in fact Punisher almost killed sabretooth... Spidey only ever got in between them to stop them from killing each other
Originally posted by jinzin
(and by the way.... YOU ARE NOT SPIDERMAN!)
never said i was... but being as he and Reilly were essentially the same person then i gotta say that i feel his feats stands
Originally posted by jinzin
grevious is a robotic cyborg who can stand on his hands and jump really high
as well as many other things you failed to mention (i posted a few of these in a previous reply)
Originally posted by jinzin
then TM's ability to go double speed at will
double human speed.... not double Venom speed... he didn't watch a fastforwarded DVD of Venom fighting
Originally posted by jinzin
fighting ability.....
Grievous can beat down multiple jedi masters, now he has a spider sense and a much higher invulnerability rating... not to mention a couple of plasma cannons... he was trained to fight opponents who could see what he was going to do next... none of your guys can match that
Originally posted by jinzin
I have precision aiming with my beretas and you have weak points..
not to bullets i don't
Originally posted by jinzin
reflexes... (recalls examples of venom ALONE trouncing scarlet, .
Venom beat scarlet, Scarlet beat Venom.... but CW Grievous beats Jedi masters on a constant basis... in fact he never lost a close quarters fight until after Mace damaged him from a distance
Originally posted by jinzin
durability... adamantium skeleton and two healing factors (one enhanced) doesn't hurt me too badly there if I meay say so myself.. with shields and a symbiote for further support.
Symbiote Shields may as well be butter to my plasma weapons and lightsabers, your energy shield is too small to matter, your healing factors will be severely impeded by cauterised wounds and chunks of flesh cut from you....
while i have armour that is invulnerable to your ranged weapons covering a bulletproof alloy body.... your claws could pierce that armour to a small degree, but will be slowed very significantly... so much so that they probably couldn't do much more than scratch my droid hide.... and to do that you have to come well within my lightsaber reach
Originally posted by jinzin
versatility.. symbiote = mine.adaptability.. photographic reflexes= mine
experience.. sabretooth= mine.
versatility, sure the symbiote can change your appearance or pick up some loose change for you... but if extends towards me it'll be ridiculously easy to slice up
photographic reflexes....
not as useful as you make them out to be 🙄
Experience...Sabretooth has a ton of experience in gutting humans, Grievous had years of war experience before he became the most feared warrior in the galaxy.... his Jedi killing experience is far more useful than your thug experience
Originally posted by jinzin
if I so choose.. i could as easily gut him, or cut him in half with my katana... or mercy kill him with a bullet to the brain... or smother him with symbiote.. or crush him with it.. or throw tons and tons of rubble, amusement park rides, etc etc on top of him for a burial.
no guts to "gut" plus your claws can't just slash my armour... they'll be slowed severely if not stopped entirely, a katana that gets stopped by my armour or shredded by my sabers, a bullet that cant get through my armour *sigh*, symbiote that can't extend to me without being sliced/vaporised, tons of rubble are ridiculously easy to avoid with superspeed/agility and spider sense...😄
maybe you should think this through some more
🙄
