Mormons

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dad?

The jokes? O-of course? What could they be other than that?

Are you referring to the posts from last year, or the one made recently on this subject by me, a few posts up? (Or both.)

The optimal word she used was "protective."

So....wait..

You've never seen her before? WTF? I thought you three were good friends from another message board or some other internet social place...

I don't think I want to know. I really don't care either.

Godmakers has long since been destroyed. It should have no credibility in this day and age. People have gone down that book and torn it to shreds. There's other iterations of Godmaker stuff and those have been torn to shreds too. (Not literally.)

And the group of people you're talking about sure sound like Fundemental LDS to me. (They are not Mormons. They broke away from our church, long ago.) I hope you're aware that a Bishop (the equivalent of a catholic priest) is required to report child abuse or any illegal abuse of any kind. Also, in our church, if you try to get married to more than one person at a time, you're excommunicated if those attempts do not cease and the member/s repent for trying to do something like that.

It may shock you to know that I've studied anti-Mormon materials in great detail. I've probably seen more stuff like that than you'll see in your entire life (unless you devote a large time to it). I've already been down the "truth discovering" journey and I have come to the conclusion that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the most correct church on the face of the Earth, both scientifically and spiritually. Because my church experiences so much opposition and is constantly bombarded with the same regurgitated lies and half truths, that right there tells us that we are doing something right.

I am much more willing to hear anti-Mormon sentiments from a pure tried and true atheist than another Christian. Do you want to know why?

Shame you couldn't have started being respectful without all the fun and games.
Guess something can come from calling someone out.

Again, we disagree. I studied all of this as an atheist before God introduced Himself to me. All of my studies were done with an open mind looking for proof and truth. If your truth is found in Mormonism then I am happy for you since you have peace of mind and truth in your heart, which is something a lot never will. I never intended to argue with my original post and now that I have typed this I don't see where I have anything left to offer this thread because as I previously stated" It is what you choose to believe".

Originally posted by ~dorkerina~
😱 HI! i'm new here! I love religious discussion threads!
I was just wondering if anyone here is LDS, like i am, or want's to talk to me about it.

First if your not mormon i want to share some things with you! 😄

Mormon is just a nickname, the real title is
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

We are Christians.

We are not poligamists (in fact if you practice poligamy you are discomunicated (blocked off the church records))

We do not live like the omish (haha i'm using a computer!!) 🙄

We do not hate non-mormons.... I don't know your experiences but...

Any other questions??
Let me know, I don't bite!

😉

I personally believe that mormonism is a cult. I am a Christian. Early followers of Christ were known as Christians. Period. I don't claim to be any part of a religion because religion is man made. We should all be standing together for the same purpose Christ. The book of mormon was inspred by satan not God. The Bible says even if an angel comes to you and says anything do not follow. Remember Satan was a fallen angel. Just like we know the word of God so does satan. All he did was create chaos and confusion amongst believers. The devil has come to kill steal and destroy. He has done just that. We are so focused on what religion is real that we forget what we're standing for. However, if you study for yourself like I did(mormonism, muslim, jehovah's, etc.) you will find that it doesn't fit with God's will. Most of read the same Bible but we get what we want and leaders teach what they want you to know in order to manipulate people. We are the body of Christ. The Bible says do not add to or take away from my word. We are supposed to studt and meditate on God's Word to show ourselves approve. Trust no man for they shall come as wolves dressed in sheeps clothing looking to devour. Go is the same today, yesterday, and forever more. Do your homework. To get caught with your pants down. Be ye ready for you do not know when that time may come. Look at the rules each RELIGION has. Are they man made or God made. By the wat your book of mormon says that black people are cursed with the color of their skin. Do you believe that?

Originally posted by ~dorkerina~
😱 HI! i'm new here! I love religious discussion threads!
I was just wondering if anyone here is LDS, like i am, or want's to talk to me about it.

First if your not mormon i want to share some things with you! 😄

Mormon is just a nickname, the real title is
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

We are Christians.

We are not poligamists (in fact if you practice poligamy you are discomunicated (blocked off the church records))

We do not live like the omish (haha i'm using a computer!!) 🙄

We do not hate non-mormons.... I don't know your experiences but...

Any other questions??
Let me know, I don't bite!

😉

Who gives the church to excommunicate anyone from being a beleiver. If that is the case everyone in the mormon religion shoud be excommunicated bacause there is not one perfect person. What kind of leader dismisses the ignorance of their believers. We are not supposed to turn our back o other believers because they have done wrong. We are supposed to show each other the same grace and mercy God has shown us. We are also supposed to correct!!! Just as we correct our children. God doesn't tell excommunicate people He tells us to ask for forgiveness and turn form our sins. I guess we are all hell bound based on the mormon practice of excommunicating peole. By the wat there is only one heaven and one hell. Read the Bible not the book of mormon. Get educated please.

Originally posted by VirtuouslyDvin
I am a Christian. Early followers of Christ were known as Christians. Period. I don't claim to be any part of a religion because religion is man made. We should all be standing together for the same purpose Christ. The book of mormon was inspred by satan not God. The Bible says even if an angel comes to you and says anything do not follow. Remember Satan was a fallen angel. Just like we know the word of God so does satan. All he did was create chaos and confusion amongst believers. The devil has come to kill steal and destroy. He has done just that. We are so focused on what religion is real that we forget what we're standing for. However, if you study for yourself like I did(mormonism, muslim, jehovah's, etc.) you will find that it doesn't fit with God's will. Most of read the same Bible but we get what we want and leaders teach what they want you to know in order to manipulate people. We are the body of Christ. The Bible says do not add to or take away from my word. We are supposed to studt and meditate on God's Word to show ourselves approve. Trust no man for they shall come as wolves dressed in sheeps clothing looking to devour. Go is the same today, yesterday, and forever more. Do your homework. To get caught with your pants down. Be ye ready for you do not know when that time may come. Look at the rules each RELIGION has. Are they man made or God made. By the wat your book of mormon says that black people are cursed with the color of their skin. Do you believe that?

Originally posted by VirtuouslyDvin
Who gives the church to excommunicate anyone from being a beleiver. If that is the case everyone in the mormon religion shoud be excommunicated bacause there is not one perfect person. What kind of leader dismisses the ignorance of their believers. We are not supposed to turn our back o other believers because they have done wrong. We are supposed to show each other the same grace and mercy God has shown us. We are also supposed to correct!!! Just as we correct our children. God doesn't tell excommunicate people He tells us to ask for forgiveness and turn form our sins. I guess we are all hell bound based on the mormon practice of excommunicating peole. By the wat there is only one heaven and one hell. Read the Bible not the book of mormon. Get educated please.

Oh. My bad. I didn't know we didn't have both the God given and legal given rights to excommunicate unruly members.

And when someone is excommunicated, it is almost always because a person is not repentant about serious sin or they have done something very much illegal...like rape children. Here's an example: One does not get excommunicated for getting an abortion; one DOES get excommunicated for getting an abortion when there were many other avenues (and it wasn't medically necessary) and they are unrepentant for it. You know...they disagree with the LDS church. Why would they want to stay in a church like anyway?

And if you read your bible, you would find quite crappy things going on.

Tell ya what. You can have all of the members we excommunicate. 😄

And....why did you respond to a person who has been inactive for ages? Was it to get a response from other LDS peeps like myself or Quark?

I'm not thinkin he's that tactical. Maybe he thought he was bearing his testimony...

Originally posted by Quark_666
Compare Book of Mormon and Bible: both have very racist passages, neither label racism as sin. Somehow you came to the conclusion that the Book of Mormon was inspired by the devil and the Bible was inspired by God.
Maybe you're a racist....

lmao.

u know, you cud use the same tactic against god "hey you! lookie here! heres a bible, heres a quran, heres a tanakh and heres a veda, they all have racist and evil passages, just like the bible. yet you say that the former was inspired by GOD and the later were inspired by the devil. maybe YOURE THE DEVIL!"

Originally posted by ~dorkerina~
😱 HI! i'm new here! I love religious discussion threads!
I was just wondering if anyone here is LDS, like i am, or want's to talk to me about it.

First if your not mormon i want to share some things with you! 😄

Mormon is just a nickname, the real title is
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

We are Christians.

We are not poligamists (in fact if you practice poligamy you are discomunicated (blocked off the church records))

We do not live like the omish (haha i'm using a computer!!) 🙄

We do not hate non-mormons.... I don't know your experiences but...

Any other questions??
Let me know, I don't bite!

😉

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Can you tell me whether Mormons abide by, uphold, believe, or keep the teachings, beliefs, or messages found in the following works:

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
The Doctrine and Covenants
The Journal of Discourses
The Pearl of Great Price
The history of The Church

Are these considered official Mormon works as far as church doctrine, beliefs, and tenets?

Epic bump JIA. You know that you're responding to something from '05, yeah?

Originally posted by Digi
Epic bump JIA. You know that you're responding to something from '05, yeah?

Inquiring minds want to know.

😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Here's a nice essay that pretty much explains how things work:

http://www.staylds.com/docs/WhatIsOfficialMormonDoctrine.html

"The 14 million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are spread across 160 countries on 6 continents. Yet there is a remarkable consistency in beliefs, attitudes, teachings and practices among Mormons everywhere. A traveler visiting congregations throughout the world will find familiar curricula materials, beliefs, and attitudes on most every religious topic.

Yet Mormonism is not dogmatic. There is no creed or statement of core beliefs which adherents are obliged to accept. Both members and leaders alike hold varying opinions ranging from whether watching TV on Sunday is sinful, to whether every statement by a General Authority must be explicitly and unconditionally obeyed.

Such questions may be insignificant or disquieting. If a person is struggling with faith issues, it may become important to distinguish between Official Doctrine and less authoritative council. A clear understanding of Official Doctrine can reduce controversy, minimize anxiety and perhaps open up new options for resolving faith issues. This essay attempts to evaluate the authoritativeness of council ranging from canonized scripture to conventional wisdom. "

"One of the best-kept secrets in Mormondom is “What is Official Doctrine, and how is it established.” Church leaders seldom discuss the process, because Official Doctrine is rarely introduced. Yet Church history reveals a clearly established procedure that has been carefully followed for over 180 years. D&C 28:13 explains “all things must be done in order, and by common consent in the church, by the prayer of faith." Since the Church was founded in 1830, new doctrine has been accepted six times. On every occasion, a three-step process was followed to add Official Doctrine: It requires the approval of the First Presidency, the concurrence of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, and then it must be accepted in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.

Only then is it binding on the membership of the Church. The change will then be made to the body of accepted (canonized) scriptures. Those occasions are:

1830, Bible and Book of Mormon were officially accepted with the organization of the Church
1835, Doctrine and Covenants, first 103 sections were officially accepted
1880, Doctrine and Covenants additional 32 sections were accepted along with the Pearl of Great Price
1890, Polygamy was repealed (Official Declaration, p. 291)
1976, D&C sections 137 & 138 were officially accepted
1978, The priesthood was made available to all worthy males regardless of race (Official Declaration 2, p. 292)

Also, in 1921 the Church removed the Lectures on Faith from the Doctrine and Covenants, with the explanation that they were never presented to the Church as being divinely revealed scripture. As lectures and lessons, it was determined that they simply did not measure up to standard of Official Doctrine."

I would say this author forgot about the Proclamation to the World, but other than that, it establishes what is really considered "official church doctrine". Mormons are not nearly as dogmatic as, say, Sunni Muslims or the Roman Catholic Church. Even things like the Word of Wisdom are ambiguously enforced (why? because science should be followed for best health and then the individual should prayerfully decide what the best course of action should be).

Another note, I may post up some stuff in this thread, later. Maybe if I get bored.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Another note, I may post up some stuff in this thread, later. Maybe if I get bored.

If you want JIA to read it, you have to write it with lots of quotes that make no sense, and blue lettering. 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's a nice essay that pretty much explains how things work:

http://www.staylds.com/docs/WhatIsOfficialMormonDoctrine.html

"The 14 million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are spread across 160 countries on 6 continents. Yet there is a remarkable consistency in beliefs, attitudes, teachings and practices among Mormons everywhere. A traveler visiting congregations throughout the world will find familiar curricula materials, beliefs, and attitudes on most every religious topic.

Yet Mormonism is not dogmatic. There is no creed or statement of core beliefs which adherents are obliged to accept. Both members and leaders alike hold varying opinions ranging from whether watching TV on Sunday is sinful, to whether every statement by a General Authority must be explicitly and unconditionally obeyed.

Such questions may be insignificant or disquieting. If a person is struggling with faith issues, it may become important to distinguish between Official Doctrine and less authoritative council. A clear understanding of Official Doctrine can reduce controversy, minimize anxiety and perhaps open up new options for resolving faith issues. This essay attempts to evaluate the authoritativeness of council ranging from canonized scripture to conventional wisdom. "

"One of the best-kept secrets in Mormondom is “What is Official Doctrine, and how is it established.” Church leaders seldom discuss the process, because Official Doctrine is rarely introduced. Yet Church history reveals a clearly established procedure that has been carefully followed for over 180 years. D&C 28:13 explains “all things must be done in order, and by common consent in the church, by the prayer of faith." Since the Church was founded in 1830, new doctrine has been accepted six times. On every occasion, a three-step process was followed to add Official Doctrine: It requires the approval of the First Presidency, the concurrence of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, and then it must be accepted in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.

Only then is it binding on the membership of the Church. The change will then be made to the body of accepted (canonized) scriptures. Those occasions are:

1830, Bible and Book of Mormon were officially accepted with the organization of the Church
1835, Doctrine and Covenants, first 103 sections were officially accepted
1880, Doctrine and Covenants additional 32 sections were accepted along with the Pearl of Great Price
1890, Polygamy was repealed (Official Declaration, p. 291)
1976, D&C sections 137 & 138 were officially accepted
1978, The priesthood was made available to all worthy males regardless of race (Official Declaration 2, p. 292)

Also, in 1921 the Church removed the Lectures on Faith from the Doctrine and Covenants, with the explanation that they were never presented to the Church as being divinely revealed scripture. As lectures and lessons, it was determined that they simply did not measure up to standard of Official Doctrine."

I would say this author forgot about the Proclamation to the World, but other than that, it establishes what is really considered "official church doctrine". Mormons are not nearly as dogmatic as, say, Sunni Muslims or the Roman Catholic Church. Even things like the Word of Wisdom are ambiguously enforced (why? because science should be followed for best health and then the individual should prayerfully decide what the best course of action should be).

So is it safe to say that Mormons by and large do abide by, uphold, believe, or keep the teachings, beliefs, or messages found in The Doctrines and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price,

but not in the teachings of Joseph Smith, the Journal of Discourses, and the History of the Church?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So is it safe to say that Mormons by and large do abide by, uphold, believe, or keep the teachings, beliefs, or messages found in [b]The Doctrines and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price,

but not in the teachings of Joseph Smith, the Journal of Discourses, and the History of the Church? [/B]

What do you think the answer is to your question?

What do you think the implications are to the answer to your question?

Originally posted by dadudemon
What do you think the answer is to your question?

What do you think the implications are to the answer to your question?

I'm inquiring because I'm not entirely sure.

Pardon the expression but you're a Mormon so I wanted to hear it as it were from the horses mouth because I have other questions or statements to make in connection with this.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'm inquiring because I'm not entirely sure.

That's not true. 🙂 I am far from dumb. Not sure why you think that would work. But, if you are not sure, you would not ask KMC, you would use Google. 🙂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Pardon the expression but you're a Mormon so I wanted to hear it as it were from the horses mouth because I have other questions or statements to make in connection with this.

Of course you do which is why I want you to go ahead and flesh out your agenda, now, and get it over with.

If you don't, then that's the end and you're stuck with not being able to flesh out your agenda.

Do Mormons believe black people are demons?

I heard this somewhere.

Originally posted by Mindset
Do Mormons believe black people are demons?

I heard this somewhere.

lol, no.

That "myth" comes from Mormon Myth that was never official doctrine. Some thought that black people were "fence sitters" during the events that caused a third of the hosts of heaven to be cast out with Lucifer. Some used the "Mark of Cain" which was thought to be Sub-Saharan African appearance. My personal opinion is it was a mixture of racism and myth that perpetuated the idea that black people should not hold the priesthood.

On a more positive note, Mormons were among the first "white dominant" church to openly proselytize and baptize black people into their congregations. It was part of the reason there was so much controversy surrounding their presence in Missouri: it threatened to throw off the balance of the Missouri compromise. Joseph Smith eventually was persuaded/convinced to such a point of pro-black mind that he said reading about "bonded" men and their hardships made his blood boil. He put in for president and part of his platform was the abolishment of slavery by 1850.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not true. 🙂 I am far from dumb. Not sure why you think that would work. But, if you are not sure, you would not ask KMC, you would use Google. 🙂

Of course you do which is why I want you to go ahead and flesh out your agenda, now, and get it over with.

If you don't, then that's the end and you're stuck with not being able to flesh out your agenda.

The reason that I ask you is because you are a practicing Mormon. What you post on KMC reveals what you believe. I don't know any practicing Mormons in real life or on the internet.

I have no agenda. In order for me to open your eyes as it were it would be helpful for me to know what you believe so that you can ask yourself does this agree with the Word of God i.e. the Bible.