Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What is a real Christian church?
I assume it would be one that has a direct line (person to person) back in history to Jesus. That should be important to you since it is prevalent in the NT.
All I am saying is that it is hypocritical of you to claim that the Mormons don't have a direct line to Jesus, when you are in a church that someone could say the same about.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I assume it would be one that has a direct line (person to person) back in history to Jesus. That should be important to you since it is prevalent in the NT.All I am saying is that it is hypocritical of you to claim that the Mormons don't have a direct line to Jesus, when you are in a church that someone could say the same about.
There is no such animal as a direct line to Jesus.
The Lord Jesus began with 12 apostles. Then 120 disciples began to follow the Lord. That number has grown exponentially from that time until now.
I think you have the same erroneous idea that started the Catholic Pope fallacy, and you are applying it to the Lord Jesus and Christianity.
However, it does not work this way in Christianity. There is no direct line of descent because the Lord Jesus does not have any physical descendants or offspring.
No one person speaks for Christ in Christianity. There is no hiearchy in Christianity.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such animal as a direct line to Jesus.The Lord Jesus began with 12 apostles. Then 120 disciples began to follow the Lord. That number has grown exponentially from that time until now.
Your post is a little psychotic. Above you say there is no direct line to Jesus, then you show me how there is a direct line to Jesus.
If you are asking me my opinion: I think Paul took Christianity away from Jesus and corrupted it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such animal as a direct line to Jesus.The Lord Jesus began with 12 apostles. Then 120 disciples began to follow the Lord. That number has grown exponentially from that time until now.
I think you have the same erroneous idea that started the Catholic Pope fallacy, and you are applying it to the Lord Jesus and Christianity.
However, it does not work this way in Christianity. There is no direct line of descent because the Lord Jesus does not have any physical descendants or offspring.
No one person speaks for Christ in Christianity. There is no hiearchy in Christianity.
You missed his point. "Direct Line" does not mean offrspring. It is referring to the authority to act in God's name: which is granted by God, not man.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your post is a little psychotic. Above you say there is no direct line to Jesus, then you show me how there is a direct line to Jesus.If you are asking me my opinion: I think Paul took Christianity away from Jesus and corrupted it.
There is no such animal as a direct line to Jesus.
The Lord Jesus began with 12 apostles. Then 120 disciples began to follow the Lord. That number has grown exponentially from that time until now.
I think you have the same erroneous idea that started the Catholic Pope fallacy, and you are applying it to the Lord Jesus and Christianity.
However, it does not work this way in Christianity. There is no direct line of descent because the Lord Jesus does not have any physical descendants or offspring.
There is no hiearchy in Christianity. There are leaders in Christianity but no priesthood-hiearchical caste system.
No one person speaks for Christ in Christianity. There is no vicar. We are all on par with one another in Christianity. We may not all be called to full-time ministry, but we are all equal in Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkble]There is no such animal as a direct line to Jesus.The Lord Jesus began with 12 apostles. Then 120 disciples began to follow the Lord. That number has grown exponentially from that time until now.
I think you have the same erroneous idea that started the Catholic Pope fallacy, and you are applying it to the Lord Jesus and Christianity.
However, it does not work this way in Christianity. There is no direct line of descent because the Lord Jesus does not have any physical descendants or offspring.
There is no hiearchy in Christianity. There are leaders in Christianity but no priesthood-hiearchical caste system.
No one person speaks for Christ in Christianity. There is no vicar. We are all on par with one another in Christianity. We may not all be called to full-time ministry, but we are all equal in Christ.[/olor]
You have already posted this psychotic post.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You missed his point. "Direct Line" does not mean offrspring. It is referring to the authority to act in God's name: which is granted by God, not man.
I haven't missed anything. We have been commissioned to preach Christ and witness to others about His love (I'm doing that right now and have been doing so for years now).
We are all ambassadors for Christ, each and every believer has been given the ministry of reconciliation.
2 Corinthians 5:18
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Matthew 28:18-19 is a mandate for all believers. Each and ever follower, disciple, and believer in Jesus Christ should be making disciples of all the nations--not just the apostles.
Matthew 28:18-19
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations , baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I haven't missed anything. We have been commissioned to preach Christ and witness to others about His love (I'm doing that right now and have been doing so for years now).We are all ambassadors for Christ, each and every believer has been given the ministry of reconciliation...
That would have to include Mormons. If not, why?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would have to include Mormons. If not, why?
Well, Mormonism is a cult.
It might seem authentically Christian on the surface but as you delve deeper into its origin, history, teachingds, doctrines, and tenets you will see that it is just another work of the devil.
The devil has to cloak his deception in something seemingly familiar or genuine. That's why Mormonism has so many legit Christian teachings. But the legit Christian doctrines are mixed and intertwined with heretical, non-Christian doctrines so well that if you do not know the Bible, you will be duped into thinking that it is of God.
But it is not of God.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, [b]Mormonism is a cult.It might seem authentically Christian on the surface but as you delve deeper into its origin, history, teachingds, doctrines, and tenets you will see that it is just another work of the devil.
The devil has to cloak his deception in something seemingly familiar or genuine. That's why Mormonism has so many legit Christian teachings. But the legit Christian doctrines are mixed and intertwined with heretical, non-Christian doctrines so well that if you do not know the Bible, you will be duped into thinking that it is of God.
But it is not of God. [/B]
What? 😆
Christianity started as a cult. It isn't a cult now because of its popularity. Your church has no connection to Jesus. In other words, at some point in the past, someone started your church who did not have the authority to do so. Therefore, you are a member of a cult, not Mormons.
This mambo-jumbo about devils is stupid to me.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What? 😆Christianity started as a cult. It isn't a cult now because of its popularity. Your church has no connection to Jesus. In other words, at some point in the past, someone started your church who did not have the authority to do so. Therefore, you are a member of a cult, not Mormons.
This mambo-jumbo about devils is stupid to me.
The Lord Jesus has not stopped calling people into full-time ministry. He's still calling people to the five-fold ministry outlined in Ephesians 4:11.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Lord Jesus has not stopped calling people into full-time ministry. He's still calling people to the five-fold ministry outlined in Ephesians 4:11.
If what you say is true, then anyone can say that Jesus told them to start a Church, just the starter of your church did.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If what you say is true, then anyone can say that Jesus told them to start a Church, just the starter of your church did.
The Lord Jesus confirms those whom He calls to the ministry.
There are certain evidentiary characteristics that separate someone who says that they are called from someone who is called.
There are unmistakeable gifts of the Spirit that operate consistently in the lives of those who are anointed by the Holy Spirit to stand in a given five-fold ministry office. That gift (or gifts) qualify you.
I believe that one of my gifts is teaching.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Lord Jesus confirms those whom He calls to the ministry.There are certain evidentiary characteristics that separate someone who [B]says
that they are called from someone who is called.There are unmistakeable gifts of the Spirit that operate consistently in the lives of those who are anointed by the Holy Spirit to stand in a given five-fold ministry office. That gift (or gifts) qualify you.
I believe that one of my gifts is teaching.[/B]
Like Joseph Smith?
There is no way to know if someone is called unless they say they are called. Is there like a news letter from god?
Gifts of the Spirit? That sounds like an excuse.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Like Joseph Smith?There is no way to know if someone is called unless they say they are called. Is there like a news letter from god?
Gifts of the Spirit? That sounds like an excuse.
Just as a person's exprience, skill, or ability qualifies them for a particular job, one's spiritual gift (or gifts) qualify them to stand in a specific ministry office.
Just as you do not have to teach a rooster to crow, you do not have to teach a preacher to preach. If the preach or teach is in them it will come out. But the ability to teach or preach is a manifestation of the Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit).
Joseph Smith's teachings showed him to be a cult leader and not a true minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I haven't missed anything. We have been commissioned to preach Christ and witness to others about His love (I'm doing that right now and have been doing so for years now).We are all ambassadors for Christ, each and every believer has been given the ministry of reconciliation.
Jesus Christ called and ordained specific people for specific duties: not every disciple (simply a follower of Christ's teachings) was called for those duties.
What you talk about above is not what Shakya and I are talking about.
Where are the apostles? Where are the "evangelists"? Where are the teachers? Where are the prophets?
And, again, each of those must be called of God, not self-selected.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, [b]Mormonism is a cult. [/B]
Why is that a problem?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It might seem authentically Christian on the surface but as you delve deeper into its origin, history, teachingds, doctrines, and tenets you will see that it is just another work of the devil.
lol
I thought you were going to say it was, "Another work of Jesus Christ."
You threw me off at the end, there, with your "another work of the devil" comment.
So, you honestly think I am Satanic and part of a Satanic cult?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The devil has to cloak his deception in something seemingly familiar or genuine. That's why Mormonism has so many legit Christian teachings. But the legit Christian doctrines are mixed and intertwined with heretical, non-Christian doctrines so well that if you do not know the Bible, you will be duped into thinking that it is of God.
But, you see, that's what we think about the majority of Christians. For example, the Trinity Concept. It's virtually a blasphemous creation of political, rather than divine, origin.
Another example is original sin: a heretical teaching.
Another example is: calling yourself to be an apostle of God.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But it is not of God.
It would seem it is: God Himself visited to get the ball rolling with the Restoration. Sure, it is definitely a cult...but the Charismatic leader of this cult is Jesus Christ. 🙂