Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Thats not the way the media works! possibly guilty doesn't sell like Possibly Innocent! sad state of affairs really! People see the bad before the good!
Thats why Unions are involved and Magistrates tend not to give names of teachers in the UK involved as much these days when they are initially granting bail, before trial. It also stops this happening.
http://www.scholastic.co.uk/magazines/downloads/017-ce11.pdf
ttp://www.epolitix.com/NR/rdonlyres/F78EB28A-FD91-4E7A-82E2-3D8467190033/0/8.pdf
http://society.guardian.co.uk/children/story/0,1074,1192316,00.html
Guidance for response again out of date
I agree look at poor john lesley... (only the crimes brought against him... Not his other problems) I saw a paper has interviewed 26 women claiming he had taken advantage of them... Yet they all got lost quite quickly when one fell apart.... It ruinned him.....
But Its good to know these peoples names... Someone might be able to clear them or give more damming proof if they see them in the paper...
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I agree look at poor john lesley... (only the crimes brought against him... Not his other problems) I saw a paper has interviewed 26 women claiming he had taken advantage of them... Yet they all got lost quite quickly when one fell apart.... It ruinned him.....But Its good to know these peoples names... Someone might be able to clear them or give more damming proof if they see them in the paper...
No its really not good to name the innocent when the accuser remains anonymous.
ah but the accuser can get sued afterwards and they can be named... Really the police should of done there homework before it comes to trial...
What did you make of the Jackson trial?? well its more of a saga now...
If only spelljammer was here to blame the liberals now... Its all there fault for once!
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
ah but the accuser can get sued afterwards and they can be named... Really the police should of done there homework before it comes to trial...What did you make of the Jackson trial?? well its more of a saga now...
If only spelljammer was here to blame the liberals now... Its all there fault for once!
Its actually difficult to sue a minor.
Jackson was found not guilty thats what happened, we accept the verdict thats the rule of law.
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Its actually difficult to sue a minor.
Jackson was found not guilty thats what happened, we accept the verdict thats the rule of law.
in jackson's case it was different. You really cant use celebrity cases in this discussion, only because their life is always in the spotlight, so there really is no way to keep anything that happens to them under wraps
but it really all goes back to the fact that no matter who is innocent or guilty, the arrest record is made public knowledge in the newspapers in the police log section
and also papers can not legally print that someone is guilty before the verdict actually comes in. only because that person can turn around and sue for something called liable. Aka printing information that is not true. Even if they end up being guilty, at the time he was 'innocent' because he had not been convicted of anything
but it is freedom of the press to print what they feel is socially important.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
but it really all goes back to the fact that no matter who is innocent or guilty, the arrest record is made public knowledge in the newspapers in the police log section
Not always in the UK and I think various Unions actions are improving things here. Courts can give anonimity till after a trial or permenantly in regard to reporting.
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Not always in the UK and I think various Unions actions are improving things here. Courts can give anonimity till after a trial or permenantly in regard to reporting.
honestly i dont think there is anything wrong with police logs. I would honestly like to know if my neighbor is a mass murderer. The unions can provide anonyminity (sp?) for the victims, not the accused.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
honestly i dont think there is anything wrong with police logs. I would honestly like to know if my neighbor is a mass murderer. The unions can provide anonyminity (sp?) for the victims, not the accused.
You see I will disagree with you on this as I believe we should accept the rule of law and not hearsay in the UK Police logs are not as accessible and I feel thats a good thing.
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
You see I will disagree with you on this as I believe we should accept the rule of law and not hearsay in the UK Police logs are not as accessible and I feel thats a good thing.
police logs are no hearsay....theyre daily logs from the dispatch that works at the police station, and the police logs arent illegal, and in some places required
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
you would be very very suprised to know exactly what is public knowledge and what isnt
Not hearsay in the sense that a complaint etc has been logged, but the evidence that complaint arrest is base on my be spurious and in many ways hearsay. I agree I worded the last post badly.
Actually no I wouldn't be suprised at what can be got at - I've paid for Police checks on people myself as part of my job.
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Not hearsay in the sense that a complaint etc has been logged, but the evidence that complaint arrest is base on my be spurious and in many ways hearsay. I agree I worded the last post badly.Actually no I wouldn't be suprised at what can be got at - I've paid for Police checks on people myself as part of my job.
it doesnt matter what youve been arrested for or whether or not youre guilty, the fact that youve been arrested alone is public knowledge. It's freedom of information.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
it doesnt matter what youve been arrested for or whether or not youre guilty, the fact that youve been arrested alone is public knowledge. It's freedom of information.
Actually in the UK on a standard Police check most things are not shown after various different lengths of time. On enhanced or full disclosure all past arrests are shown.
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Actually in the UK on a standard Police check most things are not shown after various different lengths of time. On enhanced or full disclosure all past arrests are shown.
the same in the US. They show the log for the day. Thats it. Theyre not required to do anything otherwise unless they were arrested again. They also do past arrests in the US because it also goes into the dispatch log when they pull the information on the arrestee. Especially if its more than a first offense for that particular crime
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
the same in the US. They show the log for the day. Thats it. Theyre not required to do anything otherwise unless they were arrested again. They also do past arrests in the US because it also goes into the dispatch log when they pull the information on the arrestee. Especially if its more than a first offense for that particular crime
ok I think we are talking about slightly different things in the UK if you are arrested and no action is taken that arrested can be expunged after a set period of time, I think its four years.
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
ok I think we are talking about slightly different things in the UK if you are arrested and no action is taken that arrested can be expunged after a set period of time, I think its four years.
no we're talking about the same thing.... you said the UK police logs includes past arrests. The US does the same.
Neither is required to post anything further than what is in the daily log, they only post what happens during that particular day. Court logs however, are offered in some papers, do post the outcome of cases
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
no we're talking about the same thing.... you said the UK police logs includes past arrests. The US does the same.Neither is required to post anything further than what is in the daily log, they only post what happens during that particular day. Court logs however, are offered in some papers, do post the outcome of cases
Court logs are not posted in UK papers with names if the Courts do not want it - you can though read the names in the Court still e.g. Smith v Brown