Problem with Icke debates

Started by WindDancer6 pages

Deano, unlike the others, I will not attack your ideas and opinions. And I don't accept everything David Icke proclaims. However, could you explain to me the so-called allegations (sp?) regarding his anti-Semitism theories?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You backed down continually without providing the evidence I requested and the evidence that in your case, is needed. Why? Because you're making the claims. So yes, lost. Lost in space. Daaaa, da da da da daa daaaaa (the theme).

I'm neither confirming nor denying the existance of ghosts. I have no proof for or against. It's not something I could prove to you either way.

Singular consciousness is no way, absolutely no way, near as dumb as reptilian men from another dimension here to rule the earth, is it? Singular consciousness is, in a nutshell, another vein of reincarnation I would say. Reincarnation isn't a dumb belief. Reptilian men is. It just is.

You believe whatever sounds right to you? Hurricane Katrina being orchestrated sounded right to you though.

-AC

i never said i believed that katrina was orchestrated, i said that there are powerful man made electronic devices that can cause extreme weather.
do you belive that there could be other dimensions? dimensions that are not seen in our concious state? that are acting on another frequency that we cant tune into? is it possible that other beings live there?
you will dismiss that idea but wont dismiss the idea ghosts. how insane to believe that when u die your spirit flys away and floats on the earth, what idiot would believe that?!
do you get my drift? i believe anything is possible.

"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

Originally posted by Deano
i never said i believed that katrina was orchestrated, i said that there are powerful man made electronic devices that can cause extreme weather.

Really? Have you seen one?

Originally posted by Deano
do you belive that there could be other dimensions? dimensions that are not seen in our concious state? that are acting on another frequency that we cant tune into? is it possible that other beings live there?

There are other levels of consciousness not reachable to us, yes. I wouldn't go so far as to call them "dimensions" no. Not other worlds and parallel universes.

Originally posted by Deano
you will dismiss that idea but wont dismiss the idea ghosts. how insane to believe that when u die your spirit flys away and floats on the earth, what idiot would believe that?!
do you get my drift? i believe anything is possible.

Exactly, you believe anything is possible when anything quite factually isn't possible. This is the problem. You believe everything, which is exactly what you have a go at people for.

You have a right to believe in reptilian men, so does Icke. Doesn't erase the fact that it is an absolutely moronic idea, regardless of what anyone else believes.

What's your rationale there? "If you believe something unable to be proven, my ridiculous belief isn't ridiculous", or what?

Originally posted by Deano
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

The catholic church is full of people who feel no proof is necessary.

If I don't believe, it's not because I'm denying all proof. If something can be factually or realistically proven to me, I'll consider it. If it can't, like lizard men and nearly everything you post, I won't believe it.

-AC

Originally posted by WindDancer
Deano, unlike the others, I will not attack your ideas and opinions. And I don't accept everything David Icke proclaims. However, could you explain to me the so-called allegations (sp?) regarding his anti-Semitism theories?

i dont believe he is rascist from what ive read of his books. he thinks jews are vitims of there own beliefs. ive got the book if u want it.when icke talks about lizards, people think he means jews😐

'' I have a great respect for the Jewish people. "''

http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,457988,00.html

it looked as if things could get no worse for David Icke. His supporters had pulled out all the stops to dampen hostility towards him, but even Henrick's intricate lizard dissertation had failed to convince Sam that David was not an anti-Semite. Now he was a martyr. His fans started approaching him on the street, shaking his hand, sometimes even breaking into spontaneous rounds of applause, offering words of support.

"It's so terrible what those awful Jewish people are doing to you," said one old lady.

"Little me!" David put his hand on his heart. "This 'nutter', as they call me. If I'm mad like they say I am, why don't they leave me alone? But ever since I started exposing the reptilian elite, the opposite has happened. Why is that?"

"The Jews are drawing their own parallels," suggested one fan. "Nothing that you have ever said could in any way be construed as anti-Semitism. They're just paranoid. It's not true. You are not an anti-Semite."

"Jewish people have suffered as much if not more from this global manipulation as anyone else," agreed David. "Far from being the perpetuators of it, they are massive victims of it. And, in terms of racism, my own daughter's boyfriend is himself black."

"You've changed my life," said another fan. "I used to be a sheep, I used to be like them, but you've changed my life."

The Talmud must be the most racist document on Earth. Here are justa few examples of the depth of its spiritual sickness:

“Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle” Kerithuth 6b, page 78, iebhammoth 61

“The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves” Midrasch Talpioth 225

“Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals” Kethuboth 3b

“The non-Jews have to be avoided even more than sick pigs” Orach Chalim 57, 6a

“The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively” Zohar 11, 4b

“As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews” Lore Dea 377,1

Remember this horrific stuffwas not written by Judeans or ‘Jews’ as a people. They are victims of these beliefs, not the authorsIt was written by the Levites, representatives of the priestly bloodlines of the Babylonian Brotherhood, who have no moreallegiance to the Jewish people than did Adolf Hitler. To blame it on ‘the Jews’ is a nonsense and exactly what the Brotherhood want people to do because it creates enormous opportunities to divide and rule, the very foundation of their control. What horrors this manipulation has caused for ‘Jew’ and ‘Gentile’ alike.

so icke has to resort to jew hating misquotes and outright forgeries?
so so sad. what a depraved psycho. nothing a bullet cant cure though.

here:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/qts.html

these quotes were most likely taken from a popular forgery of the talmud published in the early 1900's. basically the same as if i rewrote the bible, added some shit i made up, and published it.
http://www.isfsp.org/forgery.html

please deano, stop blindly trusting the psycopath.
you are allowing yourself to be brainwashed, which
begs the question, how soon will it be till the next comet
arrives and you're slicing your balls off preparing to board
the mothership, because icke told you to do it?

Originally posted by Deano
its not concrete

Do you believe that your theories are even close to concrete?

I gave you thorough examples to debunk your website's claims. The examples I gave were clear and taken from both my studies of art history, history, and research that I have done on ancient. egyptian culture.

All you did was post a bogus website page.

you posted this message

Originally posted by Deano

i will try and find a website that is to your liking, but still you can see the pics for yourself on that site i gave you. it doesnt matter whats being said, all you gotta do is look at the pics

I looked at the pics and gave clear arguments to support my (and most of the rational world's) views and opinions.

Deano, you said you were going to look into sites other than your usual fair to prove your Egyptian/alien theories. I am willing to bet that you didn't . Perhaps out of fear that you would find out that your beliefs are fictitious, perhaps because you are lazy, perhaps because you are a coward. I don't know.

But if you are going to post the nonsense that you do, and you wish to be taken at all seriously, then I suggest that when someone offers you a rational and valid argument to your points that you take the time to give an intelligent, well thought out response.

Until you come even close to doing that you will not receive very much respect and will be continued to be looked at as this forums intellectual equivalent of spongebob squarepants.

i didnt know that. stupid for icke for posting that when he probably didnt research to see if it was true or false

Originally posted by Deano
i dont believe he is rascist from what ive read of his books.

So do you just pic and choose what to believe from your leader?

Originally posted by Deano
when icke talks about lizards, people think he means jews😐

No when he talks about lizards people thinks that he's a complete idiot, When he talks about jews people think he's rascist.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Do you believe that your theories are even close to concrete?

I gave you thorough examples to debunk your website's claims. The examples I gave were clear and taken from both my studies of art history, history, and research that I have done on ancient. egyptian culture.

All you did was post a bogus website page.

you posted this message

I looked at the pics and gave clear arguments to support my (and most of the rational world's) views and opinions.

Deano, you said you were going to look into sites other than your usual fair to prove your Egyptian/alien theories. I am willing to bet that you didn't . Perhaps out of fear that you would find out that your beliefs are fictitious, perhaps because you are lazy, perhaps because you are a coward. I don't know.

But if you are going to post the nonsense that you do, and you wish to be taken at all seriously, then I suggest that when someone offers you a rational and valid argument to your points that you take the time to give an intelligent, well thought out response.

Until you come even close to doing that you will not receive very much respect and will be continued to be looked at as this forums intellectual equivalent of spongebob squarepants.

coward? lol how can i and anyone provide proof to whether or not aliens are visiting or have visited the earth. no one can 100% prove anything, not archiologists, not no one
i have searched many sites so dont say im lazy please

Originally posted by Deano
i didnt know that. stupid for icke for posting that when he probably didnt research to see if it was true or false

but thats the thing deano. misinformation is like a plague.
its started with a forgery, that people believed without question
simply on the grounds that "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

then icke quotes it as scripture because "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

then you read it, accept it, and post it here as truth because "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

then yet more people read your post and believe it because "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

icke may be stupid for quoting that, but in this scenario he is but the middleman

Originally posted by Deano
coward? lol how can i and anyone provide proof to whether or not aliens are visiting or have visited the earth.no one can 100% prove anything, not archiologists, not no one

Methinks that you are copping out of a debatte that you started because you know that you have nothing.

Originally posted by Deano
i have searched many sites so dont say im lazy please

Then please use this wealth of information that you have digested to support your claims or dispute mine. You posted this site:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm
with the tagline," look at this and be astonished".

Not only was I not astonished, I had valid points to dispute each of that site's silly claims.

You also made the following comments:

Originally posted by Deano
Look back to the Egyptian scrolls and tablets. They speak of gods coming from the sky in contraptions never before seen.

Yet have no proof of this comment other than from UFO websites.

You then stated:

Originally posted by Deano
Pyramids are another great mystery. How could different cultures halfway around the world from each other create such similar designs at around the same exact time. i dont think storys liek these were te product of an over active imagination

I mentioned that the pyramids are not really a mystery at all and gave reasons why.

You see, what the vicious cycle is is that you make preposterus claims based on heresay and the ramblings of lunatics. And when challenged, instead of debating or standing by your position you either run, change the subject or avoid answering.

What's even funnier is this comment:

Originally posted by Deano
i didnt know that. stupid for icke for posting that when he probably didnt research to see if it was true or false

Admitting that your great Icke speaks about things of which he has not a fricken' clue. That's pretty ironic since you place such a value in his beliefs.

What's the problem with the Icke debates?

That we're having one...I think that's the problem.

Hey deano, still waiting on that info you were going to research and post about egyptians and extra terrestrials from a site that was a reputable archeology or historical site.

here, i'll save him the trouble

http://rense.com

why do you always want a archeology site which woudnt want to believe this stuff anyway which means they would never writeabout it

Rumors are rampant on the Internet that the archaeology is suppressing the true human past. We take a look at the origins of a modern myth.
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html

http://www.freewebs.com/ufoconspiracyfilter/pastcurrentcases.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/6909/Aliens/egypt.html
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3696.asp

read a book about it is all i can say, you dont always have to have the proof right at your feet. no one can prove anything. everything is opinion, especially when it comes to ancient times. yuo have to believe that ffeels right to you

more to come..

😂

Originally posted by Deano
Rumors are rampant on the Internet that the archaeology is suppressing the true human past. We take a look at the origins of a modern myth.
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html

http://www.freewebs.com/ufoconspiracyfilter/pastcurrentcases.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/6909/Aliens/egypt.html
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3696.asp

read a book about it is all i can say, you dont always have to have the proof right at your feet. no one can prove anything. everything is opinion, especially when it comes to ancient times. yuo have to believe that ffeels right to you

more to come..

Never, ever seen a more hypocritical post in all my time here.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
why do you always want a archeology site which woudnt want to believe this stuff anyway which means they would never writeabout it

Rumors are rampant on the Internet that the archaeology is suppressing the true human past. We take a look at the origins of a modern myth.
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html

http://www.freewebs.com/ufoconspiracyfilter/pastcurrentcases.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/6909/Aliens/egypt.html
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3696.asp

read a book about it is all i can say, you dont always have to have the proof right at your feet. no one can prove anything. everything is opinion, especially when it comes to ancient times. yuo have to believe that ffeels right to you

more to come..

More sites that are totally a joke. The pyramids are not a mystery. Read some books yourself that have nothing to do with little green men and you would realize this.

Why do I want a site from a respected archaeologist to prove your theories? Because I don't believe your theories and the only resources you list are conspiracy sites. You only believe information from one source.

You also stated:

i will try and find a website that is to your liking, but still you can see the pics for yourself on that site i gave you. it doesnt matter whats being said, all you gotta do is look at the pics

You can read the above posts where I used valid, respected and varied sources to answer all the lame points that your website questioned.

You have yet to put forth any evidence of any kind that is not tainted with misinformation, total speculation, or complete lunacy.

You said you would try and find a website. You either haven't tried because you know you will not find one, or you are full of crap. I am giving you the opportunity to get some respect here, be smart and take it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Never, ever seen a more hypocritical post in all my time here.

-AC

well apparently you havent been following deano's posts.
its ALL hypocricy.

deano mentallity simply put:

-accuse everyone of being sheep who believe everything they read and hear from mainstram media.

-believe everything you read and hear, just make sure its not from the mainstream media and you're fine.

and the blind regurgitation of icke's antisemetic misquotes of jewish scripture is proof positive of the danger of such a mentallity

People do not beg in debates, please yourself!