Problem with Icke debates

Started by Deano6 pages

yeh but man today woudnt be able to build the pyramids without advanced technologys
The Great Pyramid is believed to have been built over a 20 year span. The pyramid is so huge and so perfect we wouldn't be able to construct something in this day and age that will compare. Each giant Stone ranges from 1 to 20 tons in weight, and the Great Pyramid consisted of well over 100,000 stones. But the Egyptians had no machinery, engines, or construction equipment

Theories suggest the Egyptians built these pyramids, but this asks us how Egyptians hauled 20 ton stones and placed them perfectly Hundreds Of Feet high (145.75 m, 481 ft high).. Some suggest they built a ramp with stones that went from the ground to the top.

The flaw in that theory is that It would take More Rocks to build the ramp than it would to build the Pyramid. When the Pyramid was done, where did these rocks go??? So that shoots down that theory...

Another question is How did they move these rocks.. Experts that insist Egyptians built the Pyramid suggest, Trees were cut down and smoothed off, and were used as giant rollers under these 20 ton rocks. If you would roll a 20 ton rock on 5 trees, The tree would be too worn down and awkward to haul another, so these logs would be replaced every Stone. Due to the fact there are over 100,000 stones that make up the pyramid, you would need an excess of a half million trees..

Problem with this theory is the lack of trees in that area. Egypt grows some Date Trees, that's about it. And they certainly wouldn't cut down all their date trees, for dates are one of the main foods in EGYPT!

Now the Great Pyramid was the biggest and tallest of all the Pyramids ever built. Since the Egyptians left us an entire detailed written summary of every event in Egypt imaginable, You would think the building of the greatest Pyramid would be discussed. But it Isn't. The Pyramid was referred to a few times in very early Hieroglyphics. Egyptian writing suggests the Great Pyramid Was Standing Before Egyptians Populated The Land. Ancient hieroglyphics have detailed writings of farming, giving birth, Pharaoh worship, Hunting, Building Structures, etc, BUT the Building Of The Great Pyramid Was Never Mentioned.

If it took 10,000 workers per month over a 20 year span to build the Pyramid like experts suggest, There wouldn't be enough people in a 500 mile radius to make this possible.

Why is it that the great Pyramids of Giza, built in 3,000, are perfect, and still standing as tall as the day they were built? (Aside from the capstone and the polished stones, which were stripped by humans in the building of Cairo) The other Pyramids, which were supposedly built about 500 years later, all have shoddy masonry, and are crumbling down. An example of this is the famous 'bent' pyramid, which started out with the sides being built at one angle, then suddenly shifts in the middle to a shallower angle. This is because the angle at which it was started was much too steep for it to stand when finished. It is because the Egyptian pharaohs saw the great pyramids standing on their land and decided that they wanted pyramids of their own. But they found that it was much harder to do than was expected and ended up building silly looking structures that don't even come close to comparing with the magnitude of elegance emanating from the great pyramids.

Actually ancient Egyptian writing often talk of beings from the sky, the sky opening and bright lights coming down to teach them technology and give them wisdom. Many pictures and symbols resemble ufo's and aliens. POSSIBLY aliens built the Great Pyramid. And these solid long lasting construction techniques were adopted by the Egyptians.

http://www.outerworlds.com/likeness/aliens/aliens.html
maybe you can deconstruct that

ah yes, the irrefutable proof of investigation by software developers of a 3d chat program 😂 🙄

Originally posted by Deano
yeh but man today woudnt be able to build the pyramids without advanced technologys
The Great Pyramid is believed to have been built over a 20 year span. The pyramid is so huge and so perfect we wouldn't be able to construct something in this day and age that will compare.

We wouldn’t be able to build the pyramids today? Where did you hear that nonsense? As for the perfection of the pyramids, that is often exaggerated by astrologers and others seeking mystical significance in these structures. Though their measurements are astoundingly accurate, they are not perfect. These measurements are more attributable to engineers closely and expertly abiding to design theories than other worldly inspiration.

I believe people often think that these people were too primitive and stupid to display the intelligence needed to design and construct the pyramids, and I find that nothing more than to be modern arrogance and ignorance.

Originally posted by Deano
Each giant Stone ranges from 1 to 20 tons in weight, and the Great Pyramid consisted of well over 100,000 stones. But the Egyptians had no machinery, engines, or construction equipment

Obviously no machinery or engines, but why do you suppose they had no construction equipment? Of course they had tools and constructed devices to build things. How else do you think all ancient cities and monuments were built. Or did aliens construct them all until modern technology invented cranes and bulldozers?

Originally posted by Deano
Theories suggest the Egyptians built these pyramids, but this asks us how Egyptians hauled 20 ton stones and placed them perfectly Hundreds Of Feet high (145.75 m, 481 ft high).. Some suggest they built a ramp with stones that went from the ground to the top.

There are many theories how moving the stone was possible. Some are even based on accounts from the workers. I will suggest some websites for you at the bottom of this post, or you could just google the info.

Originally posted by Deano
The flaw in that theory is that It would take More Rocks to build the ramp than it would to build the Pyramid. When the Pyramid was done, where did these rocks go??? So that shoots down that theory...

Actually the answer to this was found after the face stones were torn away. It is only the outer stones that are finely shaped, behind them are roughed out stones as they need not be aesthetically pleasing to offer support. Where did the rocks go? Into the pyramid or used to construct other buildings as such resources were valuable.

Originally posted by Deano

Another question is How did they move these rocks.. Experts that insist Egyptians built the Pyramid suggest, Trees were cut down and smoothed off, and were used as giant rollers under these 20 ton rocks. If you would roll a 20 ton rock on 5 trees, The tree would be too worn down and awkward to haul another, so these logs would be replaced every Stone. Due to the fact there are over 100,000 stones that make up the pyramid, you would need an excess of a half million trees..

Problem with this theory is the lack of trees in that area. Egypt grows some Date Trees, that's about it. And they certainly wouldn't cut down all their date trees, for dates are one of the main foods in EGYPT!

Actually, many experts believe that the stones were placed on structures similar to sleds. Many men pulled these sleds up clay and mud ramps as others moistened the clay with water to make it viscous. There are other plausible theories, but this one is currently widely accepted as it was a common practice in that time.

Originally posted by Deano
Now the Great Pyramid was the biggest and tallest of all the Pyramids ever built. Since the Egyptians left us an entire detailed written summary of every event in Egypt imaginable, You would think the building of the greatest Pyramid would be discussed. But it Isn't. The Pyramid was referred to a few times in very early Hieroglyphics. Egyptian writing suggests the Great Pyramid Was Standing Before Egyptians Populated The Land. Ancient hieroglyphics have detailed writings of farming, giving birth, Pharaoh worship, Hunting, Building Structures, etc, BUT the Building Of The Great Pyramid Was Never Mentioned.

A lot of information on everyday life has been gathered from historical writings of the Egyptians, yes. And I will ask you, so that you may be positive yourself, are you ABSOLUTELY positive that there are no references to how any pyramid was constructed? As for your logic of “you would think that they would have written about something so important, By that logic you would have thought that after your supposed aliens left that the Egyptians would have thoroughly documented the events.

Originally posted by Deano
If it took 10,000 workers per month over a 20 year span to build the Pyramid like experts suggest, There wouldn't be enough people in a 500 mile radius to make this possible.

10,000 new workers were not employed every month. And Egypt was one of the greatest and most powerful nations of the known world (if not the greatest) who could conscript slavery and labour forces from the farthest reaches of their influence.

Originally posted by Deano
Why is it that the great Pyramids of Giza, built in 3,000, are perfect, and still standing as tall as the day they were built? (Aside from the capstone and the polished stones, which were stripped by humans in the building of Cairo) The other Pyramids, which were supposedly built about 500 years later, all have shoddy masonry, and are crumbling down. An example of this is the famous 'bent' pyramid, which started out with the sides being built at one angle, then suddenly shifts in the middle to a shallower angle. This is because the angle at which it was started was much too steep for it to stand when finished. It is because the Egyptian pharaohs saw the great pyramids standing on their land and decided that they wanted pyramids of their own. But they found that it was much harder to do than was expected and ended up building silly looking structures that don't even come close to comparing with the magnitude of elegance emanating from the great pyramids.

This passage is all speculation and so ridiculous that it does not bare comment but induces a sigh of exasperation.

Originally posted by Deano
Actually ancient Egyptian writing often talk of beings from the sky, the sky opening and bright lights coming down to teach them technology and give them wisdom. Many pictures and symbols resemble ufo's and aliens. POSSIBLY aliens built the Great Pyramid. And these solid long lasting construction techniques were adopted by the Egyptians.

You have yet to show these hieroglyphics that talk of aliens. And I fear you have watched Stargate too many times.

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.outerworlds.com/likeness/aliens/aliens.html
maybe you can deconstruct that

No, I think anyone who can read can see the silliness of that webpage.

What I suggest is that you investigate something outside of a conspiracy or alien oriented source of information. Here are two easy to read simple sites to get you started.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/gizahistory.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/great_pyramid_01.shtml

Then use google to study about ancient building techniques, astronomy, myths, cultures and so forth.

Also wouldn't the egyptions leave behind some pictures and scriptures in tombs etc of their great achievement of mankind...

Not 1 ancient egyption tomb, or temple has the story of them moving 5 ton blocks and creating pyramids. Lifting them up etc...surely this great feat of manind would be documented ?

Not to mention this mummified alien thats been found in an other pyramid next to an egyption king, wrapped up in gold and ohter material - with the writings of " star / heaven sent " on the walls

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/aliens/57215

u tryed well to deconstruct them, weakly but u tryed, u must admit things arnt as straighforward as they seem. people are usually satisfied with simple explanations perhaps because the deeper view is often strange and frigtening in its complexity.

you never even read his post, and you never checked the links.

Originally posted by Deano
Also wouldn't the egyptions leave behind some pictures and scriptures in tombs etc of their great achievement of mankind...

Not 1 ancient egyption tomb, or temple has the story of them moving 5 ton blocks and creating pyramids. Lifting them up etc...surely this great feat of manind would be documented ?

Not to mention this mummified alien thats been found in an other pyramid next to an egyption king, wrapped up in gold and ohter material - with the writings of " star / heaven sent " on the walls

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/aliens/57215

u tryed well to deconstruct them, weakly but u tryed, u must admit things arnt as straighforward as they seem. people are usually satisfied with simple explanations perhaps because the deeper view is often strange and frigtening in its complexity.

You are sad. Truly. Same rhetoric every time. You don't even read my posts do you?

That mummified alien is a child by the way and the references of him being "heaven sent" is more than likely a reference to the fact "THAT PHAROAHS WERE CONSIDERED GODS!"

I ask for you to investigate actual archeology/egyptology sites and you respond with the weekly world news. That's pathetic.

i read your posts

why are the other pyramids so shoddy?

Originally posted by Deano
i read your posts

why are the other pyramids so shoddy?

Yes, excellent point! I see the light. Aliens must have built them.

You sad little man. You cling to whatever you can to maintain the belief that little green men have all the answers that you are too afraid to seek for yourself.

now you feel the need to insult. dont get upset just because i dont believe what you want me to believe. i apologise. im not sad thanx, my life is ok and i m comfortable with it. you seem not to be

Originally posted by Deano
now you feel the need to insult. dont get upset just because i dont believe what you want me to believe. i apologise. im not sad thanx, my life is ok and i m comfortable with it. you seem not to be

I am not angry that you have certain beliefs. I am just responding to the feeble examples and lame support with which you try to convince others of the validity of your beliefs.