Originally posted by scotsmn
Hercules = Thor in strength
I don't believe in anyway that Hercules is anywhere near Thor.
In their fights it seems as if their equal, but when it comes to outside of their fights:
Thor > Hercules becomes as clear as day.
Thor either jobs to Hercules "severely" or Hercules jobs to everyone else "severely". Or Thor could seriously be holding back his power against him. That's the only explanation for them being equals in their fights as their feats show completely otherwise in my opinion.
Current Hercules was stalemated by Ares, was burnt etc. I don't even know where he is currently in terms of power.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't believe in anyway that Hercules is anywhere near Thor.In their fights it seems as if their equal, but when it comes to outside of their fights:
Thor > Hercules becomes as clear as day.
Thor either jobs to Hercules "severely" or Hercules jobs to everyone else "severely". Or Thor could seriously be holding back his power against him. That's the only explanation for them being equals in their fights as their feats show completely otherwise in my opinion.
Immortal Herc virtually stalemated Thor during the Asgardian vs. Olympian battle royale. They literally did stalemate in an arm wrestling competition (that generated enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit), which proves he's Thor's equal in strength. Herc actually beat Thor during Blood Oath - this was while Herc was falling on his ass drunk from all the wine he had had. And in the next issue (Blood Oath #4), at the opening of the issue, Thor admits 'upon the field of battle we would be equal, but in the art of hand-to-hand combat...he is slightly my better. He is Hercules, afterall.'
So...yeah. Herc throws down as an equal with Thor on a regular basis, and they've always been portrayed that way. Herc absolutely demolishes Colossus.
I will say this, WW Hulk wailed on Hercules to the point that he almost fell unconscious. True he wasn't fighting back, but the damage done was astounding. Colossus was fighting him, and while he got his arms bent, that that the only damage he received. I think his durability is greater than Hercules, if not his strength.
I'm not denying his strength, I already said that, I said durability. And knocking him through a wall isn't what shows his strength, it's how much Hulk felt the hit. While he wasn't beating him, Colossus was going blow for blow with WWH until he decided to bend his arms, that was what really took him out of the fight. Hulk even said Colossus was a match for other incarnations, and I think(not sure) Herc has had trouble with lesser Hulk's before.
Once again, I said he was going blow for blow, not hurting Hulk, or winning. I said he was not going down from Hulk's punches either. And if you look at Colossus and Herc's face, you can see who took more damage.
Hulk was in no danger from anybody, Zom didn't hurt him, Herc didn't hurt him, Skrull BlackBolt didn't hurt him. Nobody hurt him except Sentry, and he wasn't really hurt, he sort of, burnt out and turned back to Banner.
And once again, i'm not saying Colossus is stronger, but he has shown high end Class 100 feats a couple times. I say he's at least mid, to the low end of high Class 100.
Originally posted by Enyalus
...What?Immortal Herc virtually stalemated Thor during the Asgardian vs. Olympian battle royale. They literally did stalemate in an arm wrestling competition (that generated enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit), which proves he's Thor's equal in strength. Herc actually beat Thor during Blood Oath - this was while Herc was falling on his ass drunk from all the wine he had had. And in the next issue (Blood Oath #4), at the opening of the issue, Thor admits 'upon the field of battle we would be equal, but in the art of hand-to-hand combat...he is slightly my better. He is Hercules, afterall.'
So...yeah. Herc throws down as an equal with Thor on a regular basis, and they've always been portrayed that way. Herc absolutely demolishes Colossus.
Re-read my post. If you read it thoroughly the first time, you would have saw that I even though they are portrayed equals physically in their own battles, outside that, Thor seems the superior in terms of feat rather clearly.
Not to say Hercules doesn't have his own good feats, but compared to how they fare in other battles etc. they seem far from equal.
I mean seriously, either Hercules has a lot of low showings, and simply jobs, meaning he should be the equal of Thor but is not, or Thor jobs to him/holds back his power.
I have always said Hercules needs more respect in Marvel, and I still think so.
I've seen Ares stalemate him in hand to hand, him burnt by fire, have the snot kicked out of him by Hulk etc.
Hercules should have better showings, in my opinion.
*Shrugs*
I don't why it's like this, but based on their overall showings against how they fare etc. Thor walks all over Hercule. Yet in their of closed battles they seem equal.
I personally think Thor just jobs to him. I've seen some of their fights, and I honestly think Thor jobs. In some moments it seems like that's the case in their fights. I could be seriously wrong though and it could just be me. I'll go skim over some of their encounters. Either way, Hercules should be consistently as powerful as Thor and perform at standards Thor does.
I mean seriously, he was put down in like 3 - 4 hits by World War Hulk and his face was a mess. True he wasn't fighting back, but I think stuff like that is wrong. He should be able to take a lot more damage before he starts bleeding but as shown with his fights with the Hulk in the past, Hercules has been thrown around way to much. He should be able to go toe to toe with World War Hulk, for a very extended period of time, and even win.
I think they should be equals. Yet, outside their squabbles, things say otherwise. How each fared against Mindless Hulk is an excellent example (I believe that was the incarnation.).
So quick question all may answer.
Do you hate Colossus or do you love Hercules??
Current Herc murders tin man with his eyes closed and one hand tied behind his back. If you want to make this fight come to life wear a toga and smash a beer can with one hand and your eyes closed while talking in and old english accent. To any one who truly believe he can beat Herc you must be on the same level as "Stupid Hulk fanboy" You know the same guys that say Hulk can take on Galacuts alone, Anti Monitor alone, has beaten Thor more times then Thor has beaten him which is a big lie.
Anywho Herc takes this fight ease ease.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Re-read my post. If you read it thoroughly the first time, you would have saw that I even though they are portrayed equals physically in their own battles, outside that, Thor seems the superior in terms of feat rather clearly.Not to say Hercules doesn't have his own good feats, but compared to how they fare in other battles etc. they seem far from equal.
I mean seriously, either Hercules has a lot of low showings, and simply jobs, meaning he should be the equal of Thor but is not, or Thor jobs to him/holds back his power.
I have always said Hercules needs more respect in Marvel, and I still think so.
I've seen Ares stalemate him in hand to hand, him burnt by fire, have the snot kicked out of him by Hulk etc.
Hercules should have better showings, in my opinion.
*Shrugs*
I don't why it's like this, but based on their overall showings against how they fare etc. Thor walks all over Hercule. Yet in their of closed battles they seem equal.
I personally think Thor just jobs to him. I've seen some of their fights, and I honestly think Thor jobs. In some moments it seems like that's the case in their fights. I could be seriously wrong though and it could just be me. I'll go skim over some of their encounters. Either way, Hercules should be consistently as powerful as Thor and perform at standards Thor does.
I mean seriously, he was put down in like 3 - 4 hits by World War Hulk and his face was a mess. True he wasn't fighting back, but I think stuff like that is wrong. He should be able to take a lot more damage before he starts bleeding but as shown with his fights with the Hulk in the past, Hercules has been thrown around way to much. He should be able to go toe to toe with World War Hulk, for a very extended period of time, and even win.
I think they should be equals. Yet, outside their squabbles, things say otherwise. How each fared against Mindless Hulk is an excellent example (I believe that was the incarnation.).
Well technically Hulk shouldn't be able to touch any god, Ares, Thor, or Herc. They have had thousands of years of fighting experience and for Hulk to actually be able to hit them is like putting some soccer kid in the ring with a professional boxer and he starts landing blows out of anger. Yeah Hulk is ONLY stronger then ares, but him beat Herc was stupid, him actually coming close to Thor was even dumber. Herc is around equal to Thor.