Current Colossus vs. Current Hercules

Originally posted by KingD19
Once again, I said he was going blow for blow, not hurting Hulk, or winning. I said he was not going down from Hulk's punches either. And if you look at Colossus and Herc's face, you can see who took more damage.

Hulk was in no danger from anybody, Zom didn't hurt him, Herc didn't hurt him, Skrull BlackBolt didn't hurt him. Nobody hurt him except Sentry, and he wasn't really hurt, he sort of, burnt out and turned back to Banner.

And once again, i'm not saying Colossus is stronger, but he has shown high end Class 100 feats a couple times. I say he's at least mid, to the low end of high Class 100.

What do you mean Zom Strange didn't hurt him?

Zom Strange was punching holes through him, and would have annihilated him. Was annihilating him, but stopped because of their internal struggle with power, and just went down.

Christ, a punch from She-Hulk to the face had WWH bleeding non stop for like 3 pages. Even a punch from the Thing made him bleed for an extended period.

He was black and blue all over for most of the event if I recall.

Hulk has amazing healing abilities. His durability on the other hand, leaves something to be desired.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Things going to fight Hercules here pretty soon and I'd wager it's a close fight. Actually Thing and Hercules are always good fights.

Colossus>Thing.

Not saying Colossus wins but he'll give Herc. a fight.

Thing is like class 90 and Herc holds earth up for three hours with little strain or pulls Manhattan by a chain which should weigh in the billions in real life pulling all those humans, buildings, the large place its self, and the force being pushed against. This should stand a chance but it has to be fair.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean Zom Strange didn't hurt him?

Zom Strange was punching holes through him, and would have annihilated him. Was annihilating him, but stopped because of their internal struggle with power, and just went down.

Christ, a punch from She-Hulk to the face had WWH bleeding non stop for like 3 pages. Even a punch from the Thing made him bleed for an extended period.

He was black and blue all over for most of the event if I recall.

Hulk has amazing healing abilities. His durability on the other hand, leaves something to be desired.

Quick note that wasn't even Zoom Strange, it was a very small portion of his power. The real one makes Strange look like he stole venom from Bane and he doesn't have to lift a finger to use its power, it took whole room of villains and heroes with ease. Hulk has durabilit not invulnerability.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Re-read my post. If you read it thoroughly the first time, you would have saw that I even though they are portrayed equals physically in their own battles, outside that, Thor seems the superior in terms of feat rather clearly.

Not to say Hercules doesn't have his own good feats, but compared to how they fare in other battles etc. they seem far from equal.

I mean seriously, either Hercules has a lot of low showings, and simply jobs, meaning he should be the equal of Thor but is not, or Thor jobs to him/holds back his power.

I have always said Hercules needs more respect in Marvel, and I still think so.

I've seen Ares stalemate him in hand to hand, him burnt by fire, have the snot kicked out of him by Hulk etc.

Hercules should have better showings, in my opinion.

Far as feats go, Herc was amazing during his SI run. In all honesty I couldn't even see Superman pulling the stuff he was, taking on Nightmare in Nightmare's realm, beating 978 pantheons of gods, etc. 😐 Freakin' insane.

But I agree. I love Herc. He needs more love from Marvel.

He got a hole punched through him, but it didn't hurt him. That's what I'm saying, that he tanked all of those shots. Everyone had Hulk bleeding, Kitty phased him into the ground, and he wasn't slowed down. All those adamantium bullets, he kept going. He got damaged, I'm not denying it, not in the least, I just said he wasn't hurt.

I would say Thing is low Class 100.

And I love both characters, I would love to see them show more high end feats for both. And for women to stop leaving Herc after he beds them.

Uh Zom Strange pretty much had Hulk on the ropes until he stopped fighting back, I'm pretty sure Hulk even mentioned it.

You're probably right, haven't looked at WWH in a while.

Herc wins. Even if in his depowered state theya re close in terms of strength, centuries of experience would guaranty the victory

anybody got the scans of wwh and colossus? beginning to end? i dont have my "collection" with me lol. i cant reference them for a month or 2 longer.

Herc schools him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well, I got what your post was attempting to say the first time. But you just can't throw out their head-to-head encounters and use other feats instead. So I decided to post what I did anyway.

Far as feats go, Herc was amazing during his SI run. In all honesty I couldn't even see Superman pulling the stuff he was, taking on Nightmare in Nightmare's realm, beating 978 pantheons of gods, etc. 😐 Freakin' insane.

But I agree. I love Herc. He needs more love from Marvel.

I know you can't, but their feats from outside their little squabbles, contradict those squabbles. I've seen Hercules beaten into the ground by less than what it takes to even make Thor bleed.

I personally find it ridiculous and like you think he needs to be shown to be consistently at Thor's level. He might seem equal in their personal fights, but outside of that, he simply doesn't get the respect that Thor would, and doesn't have the same level of feats. True have some good showings, but I've noticed that when he goes up against threats, that Thor has, he does so much worse than Thor does.

So like I said, either Hercules jobs a lot, Thor jobs a lot to Hercules, or Thor holds back. That's the only explanation I have, if Marvel truly sees the two as equal.

Well, we don't exactly know how powerful, those Gods were do we?

From what I recall, he and his team defeated nameless Gods. I should probably go re-read it though.

That arc had some serious PIS in it. I mean, did you see how Atum, the God Eater died?

Such utter stupidity.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Quick note that wasn't even Zoom Strange, it was a very small portion of his power. The real one makes Strange look like he stole venom from Bane and he doesn't have to lift a finger to use its power, it took whole room of villains and heroes with ease. Hulk has durabilit not invulnerability.

I know it was only a tiny portion of Zom's power. When did I ever say otherwise?

Anyone who knows who Zom is, knows it was only a small portion.

I never said Hulk is invulnerable. I said he has Superhuman durability, but it's not overly impressive.

Hercules

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That arc had some serious PIS in it. I mean, did you see how Atum, the God Eater died?

Such utter stupidity.

Originally posted by Enyalus
beating 978 pantheons of gods, etc. 😐 Freakin' insane.

Major assist from Snowbird though 😉

Snowbird barely helped, I don't even know why Herc brought her along. 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
Snowbird barely helped, I don't even know why Herc brought her along. 😬

Blasphemy

She turned into some fatass monster and got in Herc's way, so he left her to be killed.

Sadly it didn't work.

but she turned into a big bird too 🙁

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, they had to scale back Demogorge's power or he'd have solo'd lol. So they definitely wrote him down for the whole Godsquad thing.

That was utter stupidity though. I hate when a writer sacrifices a character, for the sake of story.