Revan,Bastila and Juhani versus Exile,Aprendice and Kreya

Actually, if this fight doesnt have any blood lust, Kriea wouldnt attack Revan or Bastila, because she knows Revan loves Bastila and she wouldnt want to hurt him by killing Bastila.She would however Anihilate Juhani. Revan would fight the exile, it would end up being a Obi-wan Anakin fight all over again.Bastila and the Disciple would fight for about 1-2 minutes with Bastila coming out the victor. Right before Revan goes for the killing blow against the Exile, Kriea use force wave and separates them. She and Bastila talk some sense into Revan and the Exile and they stop fighting. They each go separate ways, however in reality Revan wins because the second he got home, you know he got Bastila. 🙂

So? The Exile got Kreia...

Originally posted by Fishy
So? The Exile got Kreia...

Well, considering that it was a male exile, I could be wrong, he should have come home to a waiting handmaiden and Visas! OH YEAH!!!!! 😱

AND KREIA!!!!!....MAYBE HK!!!!!

YA!!!!!!!!!!

Kreia alone would probably steamroll over the opposition. Her help is merely a formality of the evident.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Hmm, I smell bullshit.

Anyway, why is it that Kreia can't beat the Exile, when she quite clearly knocked him out on Dantooine?

"I do not want your pity, I want to break you."

She does not want to kill the Exile, just make him break. Even then, why bother training the Exile? She could have fulfilled her plans on Peragus when he was unarmed and half naked.

Plus, in the cut content she does not want to kill the Exile. Just make him feel despair, hence why she and Sion mash up the Exile's henchmen.

Hmm, I smell favortism.

You're making the assumption that Traya mean't breaking him emotionally? Word... Is that why she virtually tried to kill him? On the game, when you're at low health fighting her, YOU DIE.

She wanted to kill him because of his betrayal towards her ideas.

Sorgo I thought you were leaving here.

I figured these SW sections need a guy like me to wipe the slate clean of noobs.

I am staying.

What did I tell you. It's so hard to leave. Glad you're still here.

Originally posted by Sorgo
Hmm, I smell favortism.

You're making the assumption that Traya mean't breaking him emotionally? Word... Is that why she virtually tried to kill him? On the game, when you're at low health fighting her, YOU DIE.

She wanted to kill him because of his betrayal towards her ideas.

And I smell misinformation.

Sorgo, Kreia wanted the death of the Force. The Exile alone was capable of bringing that about, as the jedi masters foresaw. When they saught to remove the force from the Exile so he could not do so, she killed them. Kreia has no motive to kill the Exile, and considering she can wipe the floor with everyone else in the game (Save for perhaps Nihilus) it makes no sense she would lose to the Exile and then sit there and read his bloody fortune.

Interesting,

Exile would definitley beat bastilla, juhani would beat apprentice so that becomes juhani v.s exile leaving Revan and kriea to battle it out.

Now, we all know exile will kick juhani's ass pretty badly at that, that being said I actually think Revan could take kreia for a couple of reasons,

1. He's learned from both malachor and the tombs on korriban, teachings from the greatest of sith lords, he's a walking sith library, even more so then kreia.

2. pre-cog, this works really well when combined witht he last one, He knows what kreia will do before she does it and because his knowledge exceeds hers(however slightly) he'll be able to deal with any force powers she throws at him and have a consistent upper hand in a lightsaber duel.

3.He's a master swordsman, he fought his way through two major wars killing the most badass people in the galaxy whenever they opposed him including the dark lord of the sith, he also had extensive knowledge of the seven forms and what was learned from sith teachings including a holocron teaching the style of tulak hord (the greatest saber duelist of all time). He has lots of knowledge and lots of experience in this field from jedi, sith and what he's learned from every opponent he's faced (a side affect of his battle pre-cog ability).

4. Kreia herself said that fighting keeps you sharp but peace makes you dull, Revan was always in non-stop fighting opposed to kreia who sepnt a lot of time studying the effects of malachor on the force. Revan has more knowledge (seemingly it isn't 100% confirmed but it's a pretty simple deduction to make) more combat experience and he'll always be one step ahead,never mind his vast array of sith artifacts that increase his power from when he pretty muched stripped korriban of all sith knwoledge and artifacts.

The question is will Revan get through kreia before exile gets through bastilla and juhani, I say yes, then he could probably beat the exile.

Glad to see you again.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Exile would definitley beat bastilla, juhani would beat apprentice so that becomes juhani v.s exile leaving Revan and kriea to battle it out.

I agree with you here.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Now, we all know exile will kick juhani's ass pretty badly at that, that being said I actually think Revan could take kreia for a couple of reasons,

Once again, I agree.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
1. He's learned from both malachor and the tombs on korriban, teachings from the greatest of sith lords, he's a walking sith library, even more so then kreia.

Possibly. Kreia spent a good deal more time on Malacor V. Also, their wasn't much left on Korriban that was accesible to Revan when he went there. Anything that could be gathered by Revan in his short time there had already been taken by the Sith at the Academy.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
2. pre-cog, this works really well when combined witht he last one, He knows what kreia will do before she does it and because his knowledge exceeds hers(however slightly) he'll be able to deal with any force powers she throws at him and have a consistent upper hand in a lightsaber duel.

All Jedi have pre-cog. Revan has a form of pre-cog that lets him predict battles, but seeing as Echani were weaker than Jedi, their pre-cog must not be as good.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
3.He's a master swordsman, he fought his way through two major wars killing the most badass people in the galaxy whenever they opposed him including the dark lord of the sith, he also had extensive knowledge of the seven forms and what was learned from sith teachings including a holocron teaching the style of tulak hord (the greatest saber duelist of all time). He has lots of knowledge and lots of experience in this field from jedi, sith and what he's learned from every opponent he's faced (a side affect of his battle pre-cog ability).

Plo Koon had fought in two wars also, but he was ripped apart.

Also, prove that Revan had extensive knowledge of all lightsaber forms. Then prove that Revan was able to access all of Tulak's holocron. Jedi and Sith set restrictions on their holocrons to keep knowledge from them until they were ready.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
4. Kreia herself said that fighting keeps you sharp but peace makes you dull, Revan was always in non-stop fighting opposed to kreia who sepnt a lot of time studying the effects of malachor on the force. Revan has more knowledge (seemingly it isn't 100% confirmed but it's a pretty simple deduction to make) more combat experience and he'll always be one step ahead,never mind his vast array of sith artifacts that increase his power from when he pretty muched stripped korriban of all sith knwoledge and artifacts.

Revan fought for about 5 years. That's far from non-stop. Also, he didn't strip all of Korriban. There were things still their for Palpatine 4000 years later. He got a VERY small amount of what was on it.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
The question is will Revan get through kreia before exile gets through bastilla and juhani, I say yes, then he could probably beat the exile.

I agree, but you made Revan to be far more powerful than he really is.

well, lets see there are just a couple points you're a touch mistaken on here but i pretty much agree with you

1.Revan spent before during and after the mandalorian wars plunder sith ruins all over korriban and malachor and according to kotor 2 "he learned all he could" which just so happens to be pretty much a planet full of sith artifacts and teachings as well as from malachor, which is a lot.

2.No they do not do not mistake battle pre-cognition with the ability to see things through the force, pre-cog is much more advanced allowing some to predict the events of entire wars and know their enemies movements (in the heat of battle) in advance to the point where they'll know them before the jedi have even thought of them, and revans ability exceeded the greatest of echani masters who could do such things, jedi pre-cog is very weak 9with the exception of master yoda's and palpatines) and even then it is often flawed unlike echani pre-cog. Never mind that if Revan is a jedi wouldn't that mean he has both, pre-cog that's force assisted (making it better then non force assisted or force only)?

3.Revan "learned all he could" (as in all there was for him to know, I don't have a direct quote as my sith lords is on the lend but kreia pretty much says Revan learned from everything he was given). Next we have the holocron, it's shown in kotor master uthar accessing it, they aren't locked, merely hidden. As for plo koon, koon doesn't have revans knowledge or the same type of front lines melee experience not much of a comparison.

4.Revan fought more then kreia and more often then kreia rleative to the time he was alive which was what i was getting at. if you look into the backstory of Kotor you'd find out that not only did Revan plunder the tombs of all the ancient sith but he also had teams of archaelogists(i'm not quite sure how it's spelt) tear the ground apart looking for artifacts and knowledge, anything of any importance or anything was kept on Revan personally or in his quarters as sith don't share knowledge, he also has all of malachor which he studdied from opposed to kreia who merely used it to chanel the dark energies to study the force.

I'm not saying Revan is uber-powerful or godlike or anything, merely that i think he can handle himself against kreia, by no means do i wish to spout fanboyish nonsense, I'm merely presenting some of the reasons backing Revan, I think kreia could very well take him but for the moment i'm leaning a bit towards Revan.

Originally posted by Ianus
And I smell misinformation.

Sorgo, Kreia wanted the death of the Force. The Exile alone was capable of bringing that about, as the jedi masters foresaw. When they saught to remove the force from the Exile so he could not do so, she killed them. Kreia has no motive to kill the Exile, and considering she can wipe the floor with everyone else in the game (Save for perhaps Nihilus) it makes no sense she would lose to the Exile and then sit there and read his bloody fortune.

Um... Just Nihilus? As I recall, Sion kicked the shit out of her and cut her hand off. And what did we see Nihilis do to her? ZERO!

So, her Lightsaber dueling the Exile, and then sending FOUR Lightsabers after him wasn't trying to kill him? Please!

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
well, lets see there are just a couple points you're a touch mistaken on here but i pretty much agree with you

1.Revan spent before during and after the mandalorian wars plunder sith ruins all over korriban and malachor and according to kotor 2 "he learned all he could" which just so happens to be pretty much a planet full of sith artifacts and teachings as well as from malachor, which is a lot.

He did not learn all he could. I will explain this later in the post.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
2.No they do not do not mistake battle pre-cognition with the ability to see things through the force, pre-cog is much more advanced allowing some to predict the events of entire wars and know their enemies movements (in the heat of battle) in advance to the point where they'll know them before the jedi have even thought of them, and revans ability exceeded the greatest of echani masters who could do such things, jedi pre-cog is very weak 9with the exception of master yoda's and palpatines) and even then it is often flawed unlike echani pre-cog. Never mind that if Revan is a jedi wouldn't that mean he has both, pre-cog that's force assisted (making it better then non force assisted or force only)?

Echani pre-cog is harldy better. Look at what good it did Yusannis, or the Echani people as a hole. They lost to others often.

Jedi pre-cog isn't exactly weak either. Odan-urr's Master, for example, predicted the Great Hyperspace War decades before it happened. Kreia fforsaw the Death of Jango 4000 years in advance. Believe me, it's not weak.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
3.Revan "learned all he could" (as in all there was for him to know, I don't have a direct quote as my sith lords is on the lend but kreia pretty much says Revan learned from everything he was given). Next we have the holocron, it's shown in kotor master uthar accessing it, they aren't locked, merely hidden. As for plo koon, koon doesn't have revans knowledge or the same type of front lines melee experience not much of a comparison.

Hyperbole. He did not learn all he could as he never visited Nadd's tomb. Never visited Kressh's. There are plenty of things he didn't know.

THey can't access higher level information.

You said two wars, I said two wars.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
4.Revan fought more then kreia and more often then kreia rleative to the time he was alive which was what i was getting at. if you look into the backstory of Kotor you'd find out that not only did Revan plunder the tombs of all the ancient sith but he also had teams of archaelogists(i'm not quite sure how it's spelt) tear the ground apart looking for artifacts and knowledge, anything of any importance or anything was kept on Revan personally or in his quarters as sith don't share knowledge, he also has all of malachor which he studdied from opposed to kreia who merely used it to chanel the dark energies to study the force.

About five years of War time. That's not a ton really. Lord Hoth for example had over thirty years on the frontlines. SIX times more.

He also lacked time to study all that he found.

I'm not saying Revan is uber-powerful or godlike or anything, merely that i think he can handle himself against kreia, by no means do i wish to spout fanboyish nonsense, I'm merely presenting some of the reasons backing Revan, I think kreia could very well take him but for the moment i'm leaning a bit towards Revan. [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree he could take Kreia, but he's not as powerful as you are making him to be.

Originally posted by Sorgo
Um... Just Nihilus? As I recall, Sion kicked the shit out of her and cut her hand off. And what did we see Nihilis do to her? ZERO!

So, her Lightsaber dueling the Exile, and then sending FOUR Lightsabers after him wasn't trying to kill him? Please!

C'mon now sorgo, didnt you see in the movie when Nihilus raises his hand and drains Kreia of the force? When Kreia says "There are some techniques through the force to which there is no defense." After Nihilus does all the important work all Sion does is beat up a powerless old lady.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
C'mon now sorgo, didnt you see in the movie when Nihilus raises his hand and drains Kreia of the force? When Kreia says "There are some techniques through the force to which there is no defense." After Nihilus does all the important work all Sion does is beat up a powerless old lady.

oh thats what he did, i thought he just force pushed her. It makes more sense for him having drained her, seeing as she chouldnt get her saber back.

Dammit Glentract... stop mincing words.

All jedi do NOT have pre-cognition!

If they did, they could see the future clearly, which few if any can.

Now, that said, BATTLE preconition is defined as when a Force user has prediction in combat BETTER than normal jedi attunement. It doesn't replace Jedi Defense Feat either; it stacks with it, making the jedi who has it sick with defense. It is noted as being SIMILAR to what the Echani have, but since the Echani aren't all flippin' white haired jedi it would be hasty to say they all have Jedi Battle Precognition (Which is basically what Revan and the Exile have)

Now, while a normal jedi can do things as drastic as say, pod racing (Which requires being able to almost see things right before they happen) Battle Precognition is the next level of this. Perhaps even more efficient, who knows? In any case, Battle Precognition makes the Exile able to beat the handmaiden in combat. In case you don't realize how good that is, the guy (non force sensitive)_ whose name I bloody forget... anyways, there's a martial artist mercenary in Medstar I who practices echani (Among other styles) and he's beaten jedi in unarmed combat before.

Read that again. He was good enough to beat a jedi in unarmed combat. And jedi do do their share of learning it, even PT jedi. This doesn't exactly correlate and make Brianna uber, but since her style is particularly noted for its effectiveness and deadliness and the martial nature of the Echani, the Exile was quite good with the battle precognition to beat her three times. This might also explain why he even has a chance against greater opponents such as the jedi masters and Nihilus and Sion.

Originally posted by Ianus
Dammit Glentract... stop mincing words.

All jedi do NOT have pre-cognition!

If they did, they could see the future clearly, which few if any can.

Even Anakin had it in TPM. It was what made Jedi such good in melee combat and gave them the ability to deflect blaster bolts. All Jedi who can block a blaster bolt can see the future. Even untrained people were able to see into the future unconsciously.

Originally posted by Ianus
Now, that said, BATTLE preconition is defined as when a Force user has prediction in combat BETTER than normal jedi attunement. It doesn't replace Jedi Defense Feat either; it stacks with it, making the jedi who has it sick with defense. It is noted as being SIMILAR to what the Echani have, but since the Echani aren't all flippin' white haired jedi it would be hasty to say they all have Jedi Battle Precognition (Which is basically what Revan and the Exile have)

Okay.

Originally posted by Ianus
Now, while a normal jedi can do things as drastic as say, pod racing (Which requires being able to almost see things right before they happen) Battle Precognition is the next level of this. Perhaps even more efficient, who knows? In any case, Battle Precognition makes the Exile able to beat the handmaiden in combat. In case you don't realize how good that is, the guy (non force sensitive)_ whose name I bloody forget... anyways, there's a martial artist mercenary in Medstar I who practices echani (Among other styles) and he's beaten jedi in unarmed combat before.

Unarmed, yes, but Jedi don't spend as much time fighting unarmed as Echani do. There just insn't enough known about pre-cog.

Originally posted by Ianus
Read that again. He was good enough to beat a jedi in unarmed combat. And jedi do do their share of learning it, even PT jedi. This doesn't exactly correlate and make Brianna uber, but since her style is particularly noted for its effectiveness and deadliness and the martial nature of the Echani, the Exile was quite good with the battle precognition to beat her three times. This might also explain why he even has a chance against greater opponents such as the jedi masters and Nihilus and Sion.

He did have help against Nihilus and defeated Sions will. Could he have defeated them in a strait fight? Maybe.

Anyway, I would consider it sad if he wasn't able to defeat the Handmaiden seeing as he was one of Revan's top generals and probably sparred people approaching Malak's level.

Also, remember that she doesn't teach him pre-cog until after the first time they fight, yet he defeats her anyway.