Marvel Speedsters

Okay. We all know why DC's speedsters are so fast. They have the speed force. Without it, they are powerless.

But Marvel's speedsters have always seemed to be different. For example, Quicksilver. He doesn't have any connection to an special force - his body is just adapted to bering faster then normal:

cardiovascular and respiratory systems are many times more efficient than those of a normal human being

his body does not generate fatigue poisons

he can lift (press) approximately 1000 pounds. He can leg press approximately one ton under optimal conditions

his tendons have the tensile strength of spring steel

speed at which his brain processes information is heightened to a level commensurate with his bodily speed

eyes adapted at moving with high speeds
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It seems to me that his speed comes from physical attributes. But there are many beings whose physical attributes exceed those of Quicksilvers. Whose bodies are stronger. Whose eyes are extremely durable. Who don't really tire.

Superman has no connection to speed force, but he is fast because of his physical attributes.

Would the same be with Marvel? How fast is Hulk able to run? Thing? Namor? Rhino?

Or does Quicksilver's speed have something to do with his high metabolism?

Discuss.

Well, personally, i think Speed Demon is actually faster than Quicksilver, and i will continue to believe this until proven otherwise. I mean, wut's Quicksilver's best feat? Cuz Speed Demon has run from Noth Jersey to Brooklyn and the back to Manhattan in 8 seconds, he has run up buildings, outrun bullets, caught like 5 throwing knives that were all thrown at the same time in different directions, made the Wrecker his b*tch, stolen the Wrecker's crowbar without he Wrecker, or Mach IV (who the Wrecker was fighting) even seeing wut happenned, ummm....oh yea, he's also been stated to be at his full potential now and is now alot faster than wut he used to be when he was a villain, uh, Spiderman couldnt even react to his attacks cuz he was so fast. Also, if u believe wut Speed Demon says then he can break the Speed of Sound on one leg, but i dunno if i believe him cuz on one leg that would mean he'd be hopping. So personally, i think Speed Demon is the fastest. But that's beyond the point. See, in DC all the speedsters have the Speedforce, and since Marvel didnt wanna copy DC, they just made all their speedsters born like that as mutants or genetically enhanced to be like that instead of having an outside force.

Quicksilver was just an example.

Speed Demon relies on psychical powers too, doesn't he?

Originally posted by armandovalles
Well, personally, i think Speed Demon is actually faster than Quicksilver, and i will continue to believe this until proven otherwise. I mean, wut's Quicksilver's best feat? Cuz Speed Demon has run from Noth Jersey to Brooklyn and the back to Manhattan in 8 seconds, he has run up buildings, outrun bullets, caught like 5 throwing knives that were all thrown at the same time in different directions, made the Wrecker his b*tch, stolen the Wrecker's crowbar without he Wrecker, or Mach IV (who the Wrecker was fighting) even seeing wut happenned, ummm....oh yea, he's also been stated to be at his full potential now and is now alot faster than wut he used to be when he was a villain, uh, Spiderman couldnt even react to his attacks cuz he was so fast. Also, if u believe wut Speed Demon says then he can break the Speed of Sound on one leg, but i dunno if i believe him cuz on one leg that would mean he'd be hopping. So personally, i think Speed Demon is the fastest. But that's beyond the point. See, in DC all the speedsters have the Speedforce, and since Marvel didnt wanna copy DC, they just made all their speedsters born like that as mutants or genetically enhanced to be like that instead of having an outside force.

Quicksilver did run an ice cream cone from Genosha to Kenya before it melted.

Oh and in FF:HoM he did run from Genosha to Latveria instantly.

up until New Thunderbolts came out Speed Demon's top speed was 186mph...then all of a sudden he says he can break the sound barrier on one leg

did they ever explain this upgrade?

No, I don't think it was ever explained...

Anyway, the point of this thread is that would another character would have a potential be a speedster, even if they are not officially said as one?

Etc. Colossus: Like Quicksilver, his body doesn't generate fatigue poisons, his legs are way stronger, and his eyes are pretty much unharmable.

The only thing that is missing for him is brain processing things at superhuman speeds.

The again, people like Namor have superhuman reflexes.

Would a character like Namor/Colossus/Hulk be able to run with superhuman speeds?

up until his boost by the high evolutionary's isotope e, pietro's top speed was only 175 mph. now he's shown a functional limit somewhere over mach 4, and has made feats such as running from transia to the eastern coast of the US possible (straight across the water, in a very short amount of time.) in HoM #1, he apparently ran from New York City to Genosha in no time flat. so he's very, very fast.

Northstar propells himself in a different manner, directing the random kinetic motion through his body into a monodirectional form of propulsion, letting him fly (theoretically) at 99% of the speed of light were he not confined within an atmosphere. he operates regularly at mach 10, though his powers are far different than most speedsters', and quicksilver is still referred to as marvel's swiftest mutant.

the runner, an eternal, can actually run as fast as northstar could fly. his body has adapted in ways akin to pietro's, but to an exponentially higher degree. i'm not sure if he can hit warp speeds...

i'd say doctor strange is the fastest in the MU, given certain scans in another thread... it took four days to travel at least one lightyear, through flight alone? that's at least 91 times the speed of light.

there are tons other speedsters, but they all derive their powers in ways similar to quicksilver or the runner, considering that's the status quo of the MU...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Would a character like Namor/Colossus/Hulk be able to run with superhuman speeds?

they likely could run with speeds greater than the average human being, but nothing notably "superhuman," or at all comparable to some of the speedsters. hulk can make massive jumps, which require a lot of velocity initially, but i doubt he'd be able to translate that into running speed. namor's quick in flight, and strong, but he probably couldn't break 40 mph on foot. and i just doubt colossus is very impressively fast, despite legends from bishop's time.

What I'd like to understand is HOW they don't wreck havok everywhere they run or fly without some special buffer like the Speedforce.

I mean if Quicksilver is running Mach 10 around his teammates shouldn't they get blown away?

Originally posted by Disappear

they likely could run with speeds greater than the average human being, but nothing notably "superhuman," or at all comparable to some of the speedsters. hulk can make massive jumps, which require a lot of velocity initially, but i doubt he'd be able to translate that into running speed. namor's quick in flight, and strong, but he probably couldn't break 40 mph on foot. and i just doubt colossus is very impressively fast, despite legends from bishop's time.

But the fastest man in the world is able to run with speeds of 4.4 mph. Wouldn't etc. Namor, who is hundreds of times better in every possible physical attribute, would be able to run at least fifty times faster?

Or am I just thinking it too simply?

It's possible that Speed Demon was just being arrogant when he said that he could break the speed of sound on one leg. I honestly would not be surprised if Quicksilver ever said the exact same thing before his upgrade.

Also, I heard that Quicksilver once ran from Europe to the U.S. and back in a matter of minutes. When did he do this?

Strength doesn't equal Speed... just look at the olympics...the strongest guys there (power lifters) are all huge and look like they couldn't reach a third of the speed of the 100 or 200 meter sprinters

it's about the speed you can move your limbs through their motions rather than the strength you can exert

Originally posted by Hit and Run
Also, I heard that Quicksilver once ran from Europe to the U.S. and back in a matter of minutes. When did he do this?

in Avengers... when a everyone in some European town had been turned into Hulk's by... um... can't remember who it was (Diablo?).... but Quicksilver ran from Europe to the USA, found Bruce Banner, picked him up, then carried him back to Europe... it all happened in a handful of minutes

Originally posted by Scoobless
Strength doesn't equal Speed... just look at the olympics...the strongest guys there (power lifters) are all huge and look like they couldn't reach a third of the speed of the 100 or 200 meter sprinters

it's about the speed you can move your limbs through their motions rather than the strength you can exert

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How could someone like Hulk NOT be able to break the sound barrier? I think it goes with the territory of being so strong. Same with anyone who has enhanced strength, but to a lesser degree. Hell, if it keeps the same ratio, someone like Spider-Man should be able to hit a couple hundred miles an hour (even at just 10 ton strength, he's roughly 70 times stronger than a decently-in-shape person). Not sure if the reflexes always comply (SM obviously has enhanced reflexes, but the Hulk should've run into buildings and stuff accidentally until he got a hold of his powers better).

I doubt the ratio is exactly the same (like with Scoob's weight-lifter analogy), but anyone with great strength is going to be able to move faster than we probably give them credit for.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But the fastest man in the world is able to run with speeds of 4.4 mph. Wouldn't etc. Namor, who is hundreds of times better in every possible physical attribute, would be able to run at least fifty times faster?

Or am I just thinking it too simply?

?? Olympic sprinters get around 25MPH at top speed. Not sure where you got 4.4, but most of us can hit that speed walking.

AND it happened faster than the avengers would've been able to do it in the quinjet, thus setting the "faster than mach 4" mark for his speed. it also tore his boots up, making moving much faster than that a potential hazard to his health (thus making that a "functional speed," just as mach 10 is northstar's.) [the running to and from america... i need to start quoting, because you ****ers post too quickly...]

namor also doesn't have an inhuman resistance to wind resistance and friction, nor the enhanced mental capacities of pietro. on top of that, running, as scoob said, is all about coordination, and the repeated movements of the arms and legs. that's just not what namor, or hulk, or colossus was made for, while it's quicksilver's specialty.

also, i think DC was trying to say mach 4.4, not 4.4 miles per hour, in reference to pietro. and reaction time and enhanced reflexes, as good as they are, don't amount to repeated, coordinated movements at high speeds.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
?? Olympic sprinters get around 25MPH at top speed. Not sure where you got 4.4, but most of us can hit that speed walking.

Ah. I must have miscalculated, I somehow translated it from 2.0m/s. 😖

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Namor is different though.... because he lives at the bottom of the ocean, he's used to moving through a substance a hundred times denser than air... and he moves through it with ease.... try doing a standing kick next time you're in a swimming pool, then one when on land.... then multiply the difference a whole bunch of times, that's why Namor is much faster than human

Whizzer and Flash are basically the same age.

Originally posted by Disappear

namor also doesn't have an inhuman resistance to wind resistance and friction, nor the enhanced mental capacities of pietro. on top of that, running, as scoob said, is all about coordination, and the repeated movements of the arms and legs. that's just not what namor, or hulk, or colossus was made for, while it's quicksilver's specialty.

With their durabilities, I think they have resistance to about everything. And he can grab missiles out of air, doesn't that translate as superhuman coordination and mental capabilities? I think Hulk can hit a moving fighter jet with an object, it is superhuman coordination too (I think).

Originally posted by Scoobless
Namor is different though.... because he lives at the bottom of the ocean, he's used to moving through a substance a hundred times denser than air... and he moves through it with ease.... try doing a standing kick next time you're in a swimming pool, then one when on land.... then multiply the difference a whole bunch of times, that's why Namor is much faster than human

Yeah.