Originally posted by long pig
This is moving pretty slow so far. Very much like HoM. But, it's good.I like the fact that E2 Superman might be somewhat of a villain in the story, that's cool.
He's on the whole "Save lois....by any means" deal. Should be cool.
At least its building tension, HOM wasn't exactly suspenseful, was it ? If had just been about the X-men and mutants, it would have made little, to no difference to the plot. This event is on a 'totally' grander scale. Nearly every page has something pulse racing on it. I mean how badass was Joker's little cameo ? The return of the Pre Crisis characters was just as good. What about the society's decision to turn on Black Adam ? Mann that is going to be a heck of a fight !!!!!!!!!! Bizarro, Zoom, Grundy and co vs Teth Adamdroolio. And then there's Post Crisis Supes vs Pre Crisis !!!!!! droolio I just wish all of DC's big guns where involved. It would be good to see some New Gods, Ares Trigon, Mordru,Doomsday,Neron and co. 🙂
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=49326
-Each issue of 52* will contain 20 pages of stories with back-ups. Issues #2-#11 will feature a 10-part “History of the DCU” story. As mentioned before, the weekly series will tie-into seasons and holidays and will see six stories running throughout the run.
-The maximum cover price the weekly series will be is $2.99. It will launch in the second week of May, and will be the chance for some minor characters to shine.
-Flash ends in January with the already-solicited issue. 🙁
-Hawkman changes its title to Hawkgirl with issue #50 as a part of the publisher’s “One Year Later…” event. The series will also be getting a creative team change, with Walt Simonson coming on board as writer and Howard Chaykin joining as penciler (marking the first return of both to mainstream, ongoing DCU work in years – decades?).
-June and July: there will be one new major series launch each week; and in July – one new major high-profile creative team launch.
-Batman/Spirit will ship in June, with the new ongoing Darwyn Coke Spirit series starting in June.
Lastly,
While he’s he’ll be meeting many heroes of the Wildstorm Universe throughout the Captain Atom: Armageddon miniseries, his meeting with The Authority in issue #5 will lead to a “big event.”
What i think IC has that HoM didn't is unpredictability. I don't know about everyone else, but i really don't know how IC is going to end. And there are tons of possibilities. With HoM they released a bloody list of possible things that were gonna happen cause of the story, and it was downright obvious what was gonna happen. So that really hurt it.
ON that note, what are peoples theories on what's gonna happen in IC? Will the DCU go all "Golden Age" age again, or might things actually get darker?
teth is gonna be sooo pissed off to see them betray him....but one thing i didnt get tho, whats the deal with Booster Gold? cuz we all remeber how he defiantly threw down his goggles, and declared that not only is he quitting the superhero biz he's returning to his own time, not only that we also know for a fact that way back in the day skeets was captured by Checkmate and its parts reverse engineered....then all of a sudden we see him in #2 not only with skeets but with what seems to be is ORIGINAL COSTUME 😱 speaking in a context that would denote that this is his first time coming back from the 25th century WTF is that all about? i cant wait to ask my comic guy
all points look to the cyborg but i still have a feeling that they would have shown him in the buildup if even from a " he's working on an evil machination from behind the scences thing." cuz think about who has already got thier chance to shine and be the major villanous figure in the build up
not in any particular order
that guy in superman who became the new "black rock" guy(he killed the old man and took the gem from him...the one luthor had bizzaro retrieve from the sun's orbit)
Eclipso tryin to possess shazam by possessing superman
Atom's wife as Eclipso trying to manipulate the spectre
Indigo from the outsiders actually turning out to be brainiac's grandaughter
Ruin and the new parasites tormenting the hell out of superman
parralax trying and failing miserably
and lets not forget the top who was running around,,un-mindwiping everybody the league and even he himself mind wiped previously
the only villain who has tried and done anything meaningful is luthor, from forming the secret six to mind controlling superboy but we still dont know wher that other luthor came from, and we still dont know how the heck he ended up in anarctica at the general vicinty where alex luthor built a makeshift fortress. the point is all the major players in this crisis at least have made an appreance, so i wouldnt be too surprised if the cyborg doesnt have anything to do with it.
Originally posted by manjaroI thought that the luthor in antarctica was the original postcrisis one, as he is the one in the armoured suit (see VU#6)
all points look to the cyborg but i still have a feeling that they would have shown him in the buildup if even from a " he's working on an evil machination from behind the scences thing." cuz think about who has already got thier chance to shine and be the major villanous figure in the build upnot in any particular order
that guy in superman who became the new "black rock" guy(he killed the old man and took the gem from him...the one luthor had bizzaro retrieve from the sun's orbit)
Eclipso tryin to possess shazam by possessing superman
Atom's wife as Eclipso trying to manipulate the spectre
Indigo from the outsiders actually turning out to be brainiac's grandaughter
Ruin and the new parasites tormenting the hell out of superman
parralax trying and failing miserably
and lets not forget the top who was running around,,un-mindwiping everybody the league and even he himself mind wiped previously
the only villain who has tried and done anything meaningful is luthor, from forming the secret six to mind controlling superboy but we still dont know wher that other luthor came from, and we still dont know how the heck he ended up in anarctica at the general vicinty where alex luthor built a makeshift fortress. the point is all the major players in this crisis at least have made an appreance, so i wouldnt be too surprised if the cyborg doesnt have anything to do with it.
Originally posted by manjaro
all points look to the cyborg but i still have a feeling that they would have shown him in the buildup if even from a " he's working on an evil machination from behind the scences thing." cuz think about who has already got thier chance to shine and be the major villanous figure in the build upnot in any particular order
that guy in superman who became the new "black rock" guy(he killed the old man and took the gem from him...the one luthor had bizzaro retrieve from the sun's orbit)
Eclipso tryin to possess shazam by possessing superman
Atom's wife as Eclipso trying to manipulate the spectre
Indigo from the outsiders actually turning out to be brainiac's grandaughter
Ruin and the new parasites tormenting the hell out of superman
parralax trying and failing miserably
and lets not forget the top who was running around,,un-mindwiping everybody the league and even he himself mind wiped previously
the only villain who has tried and done anything meaningful is luthor, from forming the secret six to mind controlling superboy but we still dont know wher that other luthor came from, and we still dont know how the heck he ended up in anarctica at the general vicinty where alex luthor built a makeshift fortress. the point is all the major players in this crisis at least have made an appreance, so i wouldnt be too surprised if the cyborg doesnt have anything to do with it.
Something else I just remembered, Mongul was Cyborgs flunkie and he just happened to be at the site of the watchtower after it was destroyed...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Something else I just remembered, Mongul was Cyborgs flunkie and he just happened to be at the site of the watchtower after it was destroyed...
I was thinking this yesterday, but i didn't have time to get online, note that this isn't the original Mongul though ! Mangaro, you have a point about everyone already making thier 'day bu's', but it has to be someone, and all evidence points at Cyborg Superman. The thought of a rematch between Hal and Henshaw. droolio.
Question; Who is the key ?
He must have some role to play, as MM mentioned a powerful psychic, and the Borg isn't psychic ! 🙂
my rememberance on the key is skecthy at best, i cant recall when i personally saw him in a comic last, but his powers were basically that he can break into anything, no matter what , no matter how(the same way scott free can break out of any trap). he also have displayed teleportational, and intangibility effects. hence him being the key-the one thing that slips me tho is if his powers were natural or if he used equipment, cuz a lot of charcaters from the jack kirby days(IDk if it was he who created him, but he's from that era) used equipment.
about pre crsis luthors tho, all were destroyed...
Luthor from the earth that was later retconned to the anti matter universe, Earth 3 . he was the only hero..he died.
luthor from earth 1, was killed....brainiac had put together a consortium of villains to battle the antimonitor....and defeat the already weakened monitor to sieze the enitre universe for themselves, brainiac an "our" luthor were the head of all this and, earth 1 lutHor was like, im just as smart as him why cant i be up there running things too...brainiac was like...then we dont need two of you...ZAZAZPPP!!(this version was obviously retconned tho)
the POSt crisis luthor however is the one we have today. after his body died from kryptonite poisining, he put his brain in that red headed clone remember? then that body wore out as well but he sold his soul to Neron for a full restoration, to be back to his original state(rich, bald, and young looking)
the luthor that wore the armor is the one who formed the Legion of Doom(precrisis) after the re-boot anybody who didnt die was wiped from existencwe anyway, so him weraing the armor now as far as "history" is concerned this is his frist time..cus he had gotten it from darksied., but we know that "he" is the original luthor cuz he was hiding out in his submarine the whole time...what we dont know is where the villains united luthor came from, and armored luthor eneed up in anactrica after his run in worh supes and ruin at the daily planet. so here is how it breaks down
the only ppl who survived the crsis were:
powergirl
pariah
superman-2
lois lane-2
psycho pirate
harbinger(already dead)
superboy-prime
lady quark
alex luthor
how the others survived without the ability to create a pocket dimension i dont know, but the original mad scientist luthor was good and dead, so DC has some clever explaining to do
dont forget all of the heroes who were fighting the antimonitor before the big bang, who still remember the multiverse because they were not as effected by the universal rebirth as they were outside of it at the time (including earth1 superman), although most of those heroes disappeared soon after and were retconned out of existance.
THe New Gods remember the multiverse, so I think darkseid would do as well. Its because of this that I think darkseid will appear as soon as he hears of the return of alex luthor and kal-L.
THe spectre remembers the multiverse, and has been aware for a while of alternate earths, so it makes sense that current hal jordan would remember it as well.
Postcrisis Linda Danvers Remembers the multiverse, as she lived on earth-1 for a few years a supergirl, married to earth-1 superman.
Rip Hunter is aware of both the multiverse and hypertime, and keeps them secret from the linear men.
Since the new gods are aware of the multiverse, it makes sense that all other beings effected by the godwave would remember it also (as long as they were effected by the godwave BEFORE the universal rebirth in COIE)
All biblical beings (angels, archangels) and the endless and most gods are aware of the COIE and the multiverse.
The planet Oa was largely uneffected by the COIE, as there was only one Oa throughout the time of the multiverse (something to do with it being at the centre of each positive-matter universe), so the guardians remember it (well, ganthet does at least).