Trials: Dooku vs Sidious

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
No. The lightsaber is "the weapon of a Jedi Knight", and Yoda is a Jedi so therefore why would he be an odd-ball and be the only Jedi who aint packin' heat? There's nothing wrong with him impaling that clone trooper--they were shooting at him, he aint just gonna stand there.

As far as the thread: When it comes to lightsaber combat, I think Dooku would school Palpatine. Even the novel said "Dooku had sparred Qui-Gon thousands of times and knew all of Ataru's weaknesses with it's ridiculous acrobatics."

Oh, I believe Count Dooku would best Sidious in saber combat as well. But 'school'? I'm not so sure. Mace didn't school Sidious in saber combat but still bested him. Perhaps it was hyperbole on your part... but, I will say that Palpatine's saber form has not been confirmed, and Gillard says that it is ambigious and perhaps one of his own special forms, though it seems to be a blend of Niman and Ataru.

Originally posted by Sorgo
Extremely incorrect.

Anakin does not push him back. Dooku pushes HIMSELF back off of Anakin and twirls his Lightsaber around and holds it up, which would have bought him a perfect chance to seer down on Anakin, seeing as Anakin's saber was just pushed down and was still down for a few seconds when Dooku was holding his Lightsaber high.

Wrong. After Dooku says his line, Anakin pushes against Dooku, and the Count steps back, spins, twirls his lightsaber, and raises it vertically over his head in anticipation of Anakin's attack. Anakin himself has his saber in one hand, down to his side. He takes two steps forward, on the second raising his saber high and initiating the last part of the duel. Believe me; I have the scene at hand.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Wrong. After Dooku says his line, Anakin pushes against Dooku, and the Count steps back, spins, twirls his lightsaber, and raises it vertically over his head in anticipation of Anakin's attack. Anakin himself has his saber in one hand, down to his side. He takes two steps forward, on the second raising his saber high and initiating the last part of the duel. Believe me; I have the scene at hand.

I have the scene at hand as well, Faunus. Dooku is not pushed upwards. Him and Anakin follow through and he has at least three seconds to come down on Anakin, slashing him in a vertical half. Did you see how long it took Anakin to regain himself and hit Dooku's Lightsaber? Dooku was waiting for him to smash his Lightsaber instead of just cuttingh im.

Correction. Again. . .

Sorgo, please. Watch the scene again. As I type this, I am watching the duel in 4x slow-motion. I don't feel like re-typing what I've just said.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Correction. Again. . .

Sorgo, please. Watch the scene again. As I type this, I am watching the duel in 4x slow-motion. I don't feel like re-typing what I've just said.

Anakin doesn't push, Faunus! They roll together.

Sounds.... kinky. Is this Pr0n W4rz: Rev3ge 0f teh Gh3y?

Yes Janus, that's exactly what it is. Along with The Rise of Darth Vader.

*Wades through the innuendo*

You don't say?

Originally posted by Ianus
Sounds.... kinky. Is this Pr0n W4rz: Rev3ge 0f teh Gh3y?

T3H STAR W4RZ: TH3 F4GG0T M3N4C3!

4++4ck 0f teh qu33nz!

pr0n wurz: 4 n3\/\/ h0m0

Hmm. I consider Anakin a better duelist than Obi-Wan, because it just seems to fit with the whole dramatic tragedy of him falling and then losing to Obi-Wan because he is still foolish and arrogant.

Infact I do not really consider Obi-Wan much of a duelist at all, but thats more to do wih his calm nature than anything concrete, while Anakin is aggresive. And btw im talking bollocks now.

Erm. And about the Yoda thing... Surely a lightsaber is a bit tidier than littering the floor with force-lightning or what not?

Originally posted by exanda kane
Hmm. I consider Anakin a better duelist than Obi-Wan, because it just seems to fit with the whole dramatic tragedy of him falling and then losing to Obi-Wan because he is still foolish and arrogant.

Infact I do not really consider Obi-Wan much of a duelist at all, but thats more to do wih his calm nature than anything concrete, while Anakin is aggresive. And btw im talking bollocks now.

Erm. And about the Yoda thing... Surely a lightsaber is a bit tidier than littering the floor with force-lightning or what not?

I don't Anakin being a better duelist than Kenobi. Kenobi is good. People never give him credit.

But the fact is: Kenobi owned Anakin.

No I agree, he is a good duelist, as much as it may look like im contradicting myself, but I have just never imagined Obi-Wan as a great Duelist. He just doesnt seem aggresive enough.

Originally posted by exanda kane
No I agree, he is a good duelist, as much as it may look like im contradicting myself, but I have just never imagined Obi-Wan as a great Duelist. He just doesnt seem aggresive enough.

That's the point. He had barely any aggression. He was controlled in a line of defense. All he had to do was wait for the other contender to f*ck up like Anakin did.

Well. hmm. Were we arguing, I misremember. Well it seems we agree or something along those lines....

*whistles*

Superiority is in question. No, Sorgo, Obi-Wan did not own Anakin. I seem to recall their duel being immensely long and intense. I also recall Anakin gaining the upper hand on various occasions. No, I'm afraid Obi-Wan did not own Anakin.

In fact, it would be questionable how the fight would've ended if Anakin didn't give into his unlimited stupidity and make the jump. It seemed that Obi-Wan assumed it was over then.

Now, there's no question Obi-Wan is smarter than Anakin... but a better duelist? Not likely.

I am curious. Though Lucas is the creator of Star Wars and such, what is the level of canon of comments made by Nick Gillard that are not retracted by Lucas, and if they concern lightsaber duels and forms?

I just want 2 say that OB1 is a better duelist than Anakin. Anakin has the potential to be the greatest but he is a long way off in ROTS. However, Anakin bested Dooku because his aggressive fighting style is better suited to Dooku's than to OB1's defensive style. Sidious isn't that great a duelist but makes up for it in sheer dark side power and would clean the floor with his apprentice Dooku. I think Dooku is overrated and only got the best of Anakin and OB1 in AOTC because they had both been imprisoned and had been put through great battles and were fatigued. Anyway that's just how i see it.

Originally posted by Escape81
Superiority is in question. No, Sorgo, Obi-Wan did not own Anakin. I seem to recall their duel being immensely long and intense. I also recall Anakin gaining the upper hand on various occasions. No, I'm afraid Obi-Wan did not own Anakin.

In fact, it would be questionable how the fight would've ended if Anakin didn't give into his unlimited stupidity and make the jump. It seemed that Obi-Wan assumed it was over then.

Now, there's no question Obi-Wan is smarter than Anakin... but a better duelist? Not likely.

Obi-Wan IS a better duelist than Anakin. He has more experience, skills and knowledge. He might not have as much raw power but he has more skill.