Originally posted by golem370
Batman would also get mind attacked and beaten.He could use Electricty to beat Aqauman.
Apocalpse turn in to a energy Conductor and slow Flash down enough to beat him even if not he could use some kind of energy net to catch flash.
Apocalypse could turn Intangable against Green Lantern and suprise attack him and beat him.
Just like Superman Apocalypse also gaines power from a outside source power.Which he could use to have Magic powers or also attack the mind of Supes or just go toe to toe forever.
Batman has backup plans against any of the JLA members, and therefore their powers as well. Don't even try to compare MM's level of power to Apocalypse.
Show me when Apocalypse has turned into anything as complex as an energy Conductor. Cause if he could've done something like that he could've beaten Magneto (a MUCH WEAKER MAGNETO) in AoA instead of get ripped in half. Truth is his powers are exaggerated in bios but not proved by feats. The more likely is that Flash touches him, since Apocalypse does NOT have lightspeed reflexes, steals his speed and good ol' Apoc is stuck with no kinetic motion whatsoever.
Apocalypse has turned Intangible? 😕 must've not seen it. You sure he's done that? Well.....either way, the Green Lantern ring would protect the user most likely.
He can get magic powers??? 🤨
And you still haven't said how he'd beat Plastic Man.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Mainstream
obviously some people don't understand Apocalypse main weakness. he has 3 main weakness.....massive magnetic energy, cosmic level attacks, and psonics. what Plastic Man go do to Apocalypse...making him laugh so hard he dies? Batman is the man but without knowledge on Apocalypse or the nessary resouces he's screwed. Aquaman with his hydro hand upgrade...would be the first really challenge..this could go either way..considering Apocaypse would no have Batman and Plastic man has his horsemen with upgrades...remember Apocalypse is a guy who loves to have people serve him after he gives them upgrades...such as when he made Hulk War and War Hulk b*tch slapped Classic Juggie all over the joint. With Batman powered up like some dark vampire and Plastic man amped into some satantic shapeshifter backing Apoc...Aquaman with his hydro hand go down faster than a two legged dog. next comes Martain Mainhunter..usually I'd side with double M...being he's a super telepath..but since Aquaman is no doubt a horseman now with amped up power, not mention Batman and Plas backing Apoc...I'd go with Apoc and his 3 JLA horseman to take down double M...mainly because double M would hold back to much battling against his teammates..where as they wouldn't...next comes GL Kyle Rayner. at this point Apocalypse has four horsemen now...Plastic-man, Batman, Aquaman, and MM...I doubt Kyle would make it and being that Apocaypse never uses 5 horsemen Kyle becomes the first death in this bout. next Wonderman...vs Apoc and the 4 JLA horsemen vs a tall magically chick from an island with a lot of (very likely lesibian) woman. she'd give them hell...but she'd lose 5 against one. finally Apoc his horsemen vs Superman.two outcomes come to mind
1) Apocalypse and his horsemen are beating the sh*t out of Supes I realize is is near the sun..but remember Apocalypse isn't alone..and he has 4 of Supes teammates with enhanced abilites..two of which are telepaths..even a sun absorbing Supes couldn't over come a double mind wammy, another teammate always has plans to take down his team mates...(remember the tower of Babel storyline?) and Plasticman who could be more difficult to kill than even a sun bathing Kal-El. Superman give it a 110% but he falls and dies a heros death
2) a crappy lame outcome....Superman flies around the earth sending Apocalypse back to the marvel universe and everyone is back to normal...the classic "make the bad guy go away and make everything alright ending...and ending only a half brain dead 4 year old would believe and sadly many people who post on these threads I'm afraid..this is Mainstream reminding you don't do drugs..save your brains cells you may need to use them some day.
He does NOT get horsemen, seeing as how it's not stipulated in the OP.
~wickerman~
Apoc vs Plasticman? come on Apoc could stomp, smash, fry, rip, crush, shake, bake, throw him into the sun, teleport him into an ocean, eat him, sh*t him into a sewer, need I say more?
Batman could have 3 years of prep and still come up not last more than 5 minutes. and GL Kyle...Apocalyspe vs a cartoonist with a magic ring..for the love of Egypt...Apocalypse defeated by him....that's why I don't do drugs...thugs are just boys that need love and hugs...wickedph
Originally posted by Mainstream
Apoc vs Plasticman? come on Apoc could stomp, smash, fry, rip, crush, shake, bake, throw him into the sun, teleport him into an ocean, eat him, sh*t him into a sewer, need I say more?Batman could have 3 years of prep and still come up not last more than 5 minutes. and GL Kyle...Apocalyspe vs a cartoonist with a magic ring..for the love of Egypt...Apocalypse defeated by him....that's why I don't do drugs...thugs are just boys that need love and hugs...wickedph
Stomping Plastic man would be incredibly difficult, not only due to his agility, but also due to the fact that it wouldn't hurt PM in any way. Furthermore, if Apoc decides to Stomp PM, PM can just turn into a huge thorn that would pierce Apoc's leg. Smashing would be equally difficult, given the fact that Plastic man is INVULNERABLE. Hell, PM could just go into Apoc's mouth, all the way inside Apoc and start expanding. Bye bye Apoc. He's never fried a damn thing in his life. I think Apoc's even scared of french fries. They might throw a table at him 🙄 . He can't rip Plastic Man. PM hasn't been ripped or anything. He's INVULNERABLE. Not a hard concept to understand. Apoc instead has been ripped before by sufficient force. The crushing and shaking wouldn't really do much 😛 . Show me where Apoc's shown the strength to throw someone into the sun. Show me where Apoc's shown the ability to teleport anyone anywhere. And plus, the ocean wouldn't really bother PM. If he decides to eat him, he;d die. Apocalypse loses to Plastic Man. Plus, PM IS immortal. Apocalypse ages slowly. BIG difference.
The others would also annihilate Apocalypse.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Stomping Plastic man would be incredibly difficult, not only due to his agility, but also due to the fact that it wouldn't hurt PM in any way. Furthermore, if Apoc decides to Stomp PM, PM can just turn into a huge thorn that would pierce Apoc's leg. Smashing would be equally difficult, given the fact that Plastic man is INVULNERABLE. Hell, PM could just go into Apoc's mouth, all the way inside Apoc and start expanding. Bye bye Apoc. He's never fried a damn thing in his life. I think Apoc's even scared of french fries. They might throw a table at him 🙄 . He can't rip Plastic Man. PM hasn't been ripped or anything. He's INVULNERABLE. Not a hard concept to understand. Apoc instead has been ripped before by sufficient force. The crushing and shaking wouldn't really do much 😛 . Show me where Apoc's shown the strength to throw someone into the sun. Show me where Apoc's shown the ability to teleport anyone anywhere. And plus, the ocean wouldn't really bother PM. If he decides to eat him, he;d die. Apocalypse loses to Plastic Man. Plus, PM IS immortal. Apocalypse ages slowly. BIG difference.The others would also annihilate Apocalypse.
~wickerman~
or would they considering Apocalyse has the following abilities and talents
Apocalypse was one of the most physically powerful beings on Earth. Thanks to the Celestial technology's modifications to his body, he could alter the molecular structure of his body at will in order to change his form. Using this he could alter his appearance or the size of his body; transform his arms and fists into various melee weapons and grant himself superhuman strength. He also can generate energy, thanks to a combination of his mutant power and the Celestial technology in his body. He can use this energy to levitate himself and others, create force fields, and project bursts of concussive force, and can augment himself further by drawing on various outside energy sources. Apocalypse has demonstrated the ability to teleport himself and other beings.
Finally, he was unaging. Even before being modified by the Celestial ship, he lived for thousands of years and was highly resistant to injury. With the Celestial modifications, this resistance to harm was amplified, although it is still possible, albeit highly difficult, to cause him injury that would not be immediately regenerated by his power. Should he suffer massive injuries that prove potentially fatal, he can enter a coma-like state of suspended animation during which he may recover from his wounds with the assistance of his Celestial technology.
In the future timeline from which Cable hails, Apocalypse's physical form had grown too aged and enfeebled to contain his vast superhuman energies. Hence, he transferred his consciousness and powers into a succession of host bodies, abandoning each one when it too grew too old to contain his power. This alternate future version of Apocalypse was ultimately defeated in transit from a depreciated body into a potential host body. Shortly before he transferred himself into Cyclops, he revealed that he was in a host body in the present day - it is not entirely clear when this happened, but the most likely time is when he appeared to die on the moon.
Aside from his superhuman powers, Apocalypse was also extraordinarily intelligent, with knowledge of science and technology centuries ahead of conventional science. This was not merely a result of his exposure to alien technology, as he was able to make significant new advances beyond the alien materials he was exposed to.
last time I checked metal (the stuff that Apocalyspe wears) was more powerful than plastic..the stuff Plastic man is made of..which is how he got his name I suppsect....but I have been wrong once or twice in my long existance kool-msn
Umm... you've posted that before and every time you do I have to point out that he didn't live for thousands of years before being modified, and if I recall he periodically hibernates which is how he has stayed alive as long as he has. He isn't an External, he isn't immortal. Also I can't think of any instances of him teleporting himself or others under his own power.
Originally posted by Mainstream
Apoc vs Plasticman? come on Apoc could stomp, smash, fry, rip, crush, shake, bake, throw him into the sun, teleport him into an ocean, eat him, sh*t him into a sewer, need I say more?Batman could have 3 years of prep and still come up not last more than 5 minutes. and GL Kyle...Apocalyspe vs a cartoonist with a magic ring..for the love of Egypt...Apocalypse defeated by him....that's why I don't do drugs...thugs are just boys that need love and hugs...wickedph
Current Kyle would absolutely stomp Apoc.
3 Days of prep is more than enough for Batman.
Plasticman would still beat or stalemate him.
Originally posted by xmarksthespottalking against the stats of lord Apocalypse dear child?!
Umm... you've posted that before and every time you do I have to point out that he didn't live for thousands of years before being modified, and if I recall he periodically hibernates which is how he has stayed alive as long as he has. He isn't an External, he isn't immortal. Also I can't think of any instances of him teleporting himself or others under his own power.
you realize this is treason kool-msn
Originally posted by Mainstream
or would they considering Apocalyse has the following abilities and talentsApocalypse was one of the most physically powerful beings on Earth. Thanks to the Celestial technology's modifications to his body, he could alter the molecular structure of his body at will in order to change his form. Using this he could alter his appearance or the size of his body; transform his arms and fists into various melee weapons and grant himself superhuman strength. He also can generate energy, thanks to a combination of his mutant power and the Celestial technology in his body. He can use this energy to levitate himself and others, create force fields, and project bursts of concussive force, and can augment himself further by drawing on various outside energy sources. Apocalypse has demonstrated the ability to teleport himself and other beings.
Finally, he was unaging. Even before being modified by the Celestial ship, he lived for thousands of years and was highly resistant to injury. With the Celestial modifications, this resistance to harm was amplified, although it is still possible, albeit highly difficult, to cause him injury that would not be immediately regenerated by his power. Should he suffer massive injuries that prove potentially fatal, he can enter a coma-like state of suspended animation during which he may recover from his wounds with the assistance of his Celestial technology.
In the future timeline from which Cable hails, Apocalypse's physical form had grown too aged and enfeebled to contain his vast superhuman energies. Hence, he transferred his consciousness and powers into a succession of host bodies, abandoning each one when it too grew too old to contain his power. This alternate future version of Apocalypse was ultimately defeated in transit from a depreciated body into a potential host body. Shortly before he transferred himself into Cyclops, he revealed that he was in a host body in the present day - it is not entirely clear when this happened, but the most likely time is when he appeared to die on the moon.
Aside from his superhuman powers, Apocalypse was also extraordinarily intelligent, with knowledge of science and technology centuries ahead of conventional science. This was not merely a result of his exposure to alien technology, as he was able to make significant new advances beyond the alien materials he was exposed to.
last time I checked metal (the stuff that Apocalyspe wears) was more powerful than plastic..the stuff Plastic man is made of..which is how he got his name I suppsect....but I have been wrong once or twice in my long existance kool-msn
Nice copy/paste skillz 😛 . Now tell me how he's going to beat Plastic Man. And give me some more tangible methods than the ol' "stomping" one. Also, feel free to post impressive feats by Apoc. I like ya mainstream, a lot, but you can't win this one. I still don't understand why you like Apocalypse so much 😬
~wickerman~
because he always comes back..he's continuted existance is proof enough of his assured victory...."but Apocalypse is dead..or is he...
Apocalypse has been recently confirmed to return in 2006. Nick Lowe said on the character's return, "Apocalypse has always been the proponent of mutantkind and it's mutantkind's darkest hour. Is he a villain or is a savior?"
Apocalyspe: I SHALL RETUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!
Cable: and I'll be waiting?
Apocalypse: you gonna kill me again?
Cable: maybe..you gonna see that new 50-cent movie?
Apocalypse: hell nall the guys a muscle bound monkey with no talent what so ever.
Cable: for once we agree on something.
eekwave
I forgot Plastic man has that super plastic punch that destroyes anyone it hits Apoc is screwed lol
Originally posted by Mainstream
because he always comes back..he's continuted existance is proof enough of his assured victory...."but Apocalypse is dead..or is he...Apocalypse has been recently confirmed to return in 2006. Nick Lowe said on the character's return, "Apocalypse has always been the proponent of mutantkind and it's mutantkind's darkest hour. Is he a villain or is a savior?"
Apocalyspe: I SHALL RETUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!
Cable: and I'll be waiting?
Apocalypse: you gonna kill me again?
Cable: maybe..you gonna see that new 50-cent movie?
Apocalypse: hell nall the guys a muscle bound monkey with no talent what so ever.
Cable: for once we agree on something.
eekwave
I forgot Plastic man has that super plastic punch that destroyes anyone it hits Apoc is screwed lol
Poor Apocalypse is a joke to the entire villain community. He's a lot like the common cold. In a healthy organism, it f*cks it up for a week or so, but then loses to chicken soup and vitamins. No matter how many times it comes back it always loses. Now, the AoA situation is much like an organism that's been infected with HIV. Having an incredibly weak immune system, the common cold, a joke to other environments, can be devastating.
~wickerman~
just wait until 2006.....and why do people always say Apocalypse is a villian..he's about as evil as Superman.
Apocalypse has been recently confirmed to return in 2006. Nick Lowe said on the character's return, "Apocalypse has always been the proponent of mutantkind and it's mutantkind's darkest hour. Is he a villain or is a savior?"
Originally posted by Mainstream
just wait until 2006.....and why do people always say Apocalypse is a villian..he's about as evil as Superman.Apocalypse has been recently confirmed to return in 2006. Nick Lowe said on the character's return, "Apocalypse has always been the proponent of mutantkind and it's mutantkind's darkest hour. Is he a villain or is a savior?"
There's heroes, villains, and anti-heroes. The only category Apocalypse fits into is the villains. His "culling of the weak" is AOK if you're a fan of Hitler.
~wickerman~
I see Apoc getting to Flash, possibly Manhunter, but not much further. If Apoc fights each member in succession (and I'm assuming he knows that going into battle since that's the fight stipulation), he'd have a battle plan. And since in the forum he is going all out and has common knowledge of his opponents, the first two combatants at least are severely outclassed.
First, let me dispell a myth: Apoc is not severely weak to psionics.
The occurence that harmed him through psionic manipulation was in The Twelve storyline when he tried to take X-man's body as his new host, combined with the powers of all of the members of the Twelve (Living Monolith, Jean, Magneto, etc), and his plans got thwarted and he wound up partially inhabitting Cyclop's body. In this state, Apocalypse had not fully integrated his essence into the host body and his psyche and Cyclop's psyche were fighting for dominance within Cyclops's body. Cyclops was able to assert his psyche through the help of Jean and Cable, and they "excorcised" Apocalypse's psyche from Cyclops' body, then Cable impaled Apocalypse's disembodied psyche on his scimitar and "killed" him (though he's not actually dead).
Other than this occurence, Apoc has very good defenses against psionic manipulation, and even has psionic counter measures that cause severe feedback in telepaths attempting to enter his mind (Professor X).
Under normal circumstances, when Apoc's essence is fully integrated into his body, he has a high degree of defense against psionic manipulation.
Now, fighting Plasticman Apoc has a decisive advantage. Plasticman has been knocked out by Batman (Dark Knight Strikes again), he simply can't die, and also, Plastic man was ripped in half by Doomsday in Doomsday Wars. Plasticman is not a tecnhnoorganic metamorph as Apocalypse is either, meaning, unlike Apoc, he can't mimic advanced machinery, like turning his arm into energy weapons. Apoc can match any of Plasticman's shapeshifting feats, but he can also create forcefields, teleport, create plasma blasters from his arms, etc. The thead maker didn't stipulate this being a deathmatch, so I'm assuming a K.O. accounts for a victory.
Knowing that Batman is next, a simple teleport, snapping of human neck, and teleporting again will suffice. All the prep in the world won't stop Batman from being human.
Aquaman is outclassed. He's strong, but not in Apoc's league. Apoc has better ranged attacks, can teleport, fly, shapeshift, and Aquaman is not of such a high degree psionically that he would take Apoc.
With Flash, the catch is once Batman falls, Flash will be right on Apoc's ass with an IMP. Now, Apoc will know Flash is next, but he will know Flash's powers. His best bet is to teleport the moment Batman falls, or even teleport with Batman out of Flash's line of sight. It's going to be very hard for Apoc to land a blow on Flash. His best bet is teleporting somewhere where he'll get a moment to increase his density exponentially and morph a part of his body into a propulsion drive of a space ship and go airborne. Even then, through manipulation of the Speed Force, Flash could just stop him in his tracks, then cause his body to age rapidly, or vibrate through him and attack his molecular cohesion.
Either way, I see him stopped at Flash, and if in a freak occurence he were to beat Flash, I see MM and Apoc as a stalemate, or Manhunter would eventually get through Apoc's psychic defenses and down him.
Also, with the prep Batman gets, he's still on DC Earth (Gotham) as stipulated in this battle, and the forum rules state that characters in battle all have the common knowledge that their opponents planet of origin has of the character. On Marvel Earth, Apocalypse's full range of abilities is not common knowledge. To the contrary, everyone on DC Earth knows about Flash since he's basically a celebrity, so Batman's prep would be very limited. Only common knowledge of Apoc is that he's a seemingly immortal mutant shapeshifter. Batman wouldn't know about the Celestial tech and most of Apoc's other abilities.
Against Flash they wouldn't be of much consequence though.