Originally posted by grey foxkilling someone who can't die...I'm quite certain this is impossible.
I hate Apocalypse , he's like one of those guy's you knew in high-school who would bullshit all the time just to get attentionApocalypse : I am the all powerful saviour of mutant kind
Superman : Yeah right (kills him in five seconds)
Immortality, complete control over his body's molecular structure, granting him energy blasts enough to flatten cities, unlimited strength, toughness, the ability to shapeshift, vary his size to grow as large as he wants, teleportation, flight, and the ability to generate impregnable force fields.
translation...Superman is Super f**ked if he was stupid enough to fight Apocalypse... and remember what Cable says: Plasma guns don't kill mutants..plasma energy does.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, fighting Plasticman Apoc has a decisive advantage. Plasticman has been knocked out by Batman (Dark Knight Strikes again), he simply can't die, and also, Plastic man was ripped in half by Doomsday in Doomsday Wars.
Originally posted by Mainstream
killing someone who can't die...I'm quite certain this is impossible.Immortality, complete control over his body's molecular structure, granting him energy blasts enough to flatten cities, unlimited strength, toughness, the ability to shapeshift, vary his size to grow as large as he wants, teleportation, flight, and the ability to generate impregnable force fields.
translation...Superman is Super f**ked if he was stupid enough to fight Apocalypse... and remember what Cable says: Plasma guns don't kill mutants..plasma energy does.
Apocalypse can die, as proved by:
1. The whole AoA thing
2. The HoM BB thing
3. The fact that he needed new bodies in order to not die.
Apocalypse is not immortal, he ages slowly. THERE IS QUITE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. If he had complete control over his body's molecular structure, Magneto wouldn't have ripped him in half and BB's scream wouldn't have erased him. I've never seen his blast anywhere near the powerful, but feel free to prove me wrong. I really am not sure about the unlimited strength thing. Never seen any evidence of extreme versatility when it came to shapechanging, show me the largest he's been vs. the smallest he's been. Show me when he teleported. Not saying he hasn't, but show me at least an instance. He levitates, not flies (AFAIK), and as for his impregnable force fields.......a bedtime story.
Question to all the Apocalypse fans:
If he has teleportation, force fields and unlimited strength and durability, then why did he lose to Namor, why did he run away from a table, why did he lose to Magneto?
~wickerman~
AoA was bull...Xman Nate Grey fought Apoc before Magneto go there...Xman did most of the work..Magneto finished him off...and if Magneto could have destroyed Apocalype why didn't he do so before Apoc took over the world? the whole storyline had more holes in it than a swiss cheese factory.
House of M thing was bull too...in the regular marvel universe Black Bolt screamed at Apoc did nothing..yet I'm suppose to believe black Bolt nearly destroys him in a la la land world?
and yes Apoc can teleport..he's way above Nightcrawler..but below Loki
my theories on Apoc senseless defeats....Apocalypse is a full range character with various powers..writers tend to fought that and have him get beat in ways he shouldn't...Martain Manhunter had the same problem in the Justice Cartoon Series...he too is a full range character who got beat..but shouldn't have because of his powers. I mean Namor beating Apocalypse with a table...who wrote it a half brain dead monkey in a zoo? is it Apocalypse fough the people who write him forget about all his powers and skills at his beck and call?
aaaaaand in case you think I'm making up the power to teleport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_%28comics%29
like a said wait until 2006!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Wickerman
If he has teleportation, force fields and unlimited strength and durability, then why did he lose to Namor, why did he run away from a table, why did he lose to Magneto?
Because he's a comic book villain, which means he jobs for whoever the writers want him to job for. He doesn't have that problem here on the forums.
I don't have my comic books or a scanner here at work, so I can't really post scans. I'll leave that up to someone else.
If you know how Black Bolt's powers work, as well as Magneto's, you know how Apoc loses to them. Apocalypse has control over his atomic structure, but the bonds that keep them cohesive (as well as all matter)is electromagnetic, which plays right into BB and Mags hands, as well as any other high end energy manipulator.
If you can effect polarity or break down matter along the electrons, you can beat Apocalypse:
Unless written not to.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Because he's a comic book villain, which means he jobs for whoever the writers want him to job for. He doesn't have that problem here on the forums.I don't have my comic books or a scanner here at work, so I can't really post scans. I'll leave that up to someone else.
If you know how Black Bolt's powers work, as well as Magneto's, you know how Apoc loses to them. Apocalypse has control over his atomic structure, but the bonds that keep them cohesive (as well as all matter)is electromagnetic, which plays right into BB and Mags hands, as well as any other high end energy manipulator.
If you can effect polarity or break down matter along the electrons, you can beat Apocalypse:
Unless written not to.
Mainstream was arguing that he has complete molecular control. Which he doesn't as has been seen. The unknown particle BB creates that interacts with electrons annihilated Apocalypse. The magnetism from a Magneto that was not only weaker than 616 magneto but also had been tortured intensively for quite some time broke him up.
Therefore, he has great molecular control, but not as strong as people may think.
And i disagree, just the fact that he's the bad guy doesn't mean he always loses. Not all villains always lose. He;s all hype.
~wickerman~
Bad guys may win battles, but they lose wars. Apoc has victories and he has losses, like any villain. You can't hold it against him.
Here on the forum, the fact he lost to a flying table carries as much weight as Dr. Doom losing to Squirrel Girl.
Here, it's abilities vs. abilities, not purely comic book feats vs. comic book feats. That's all I'm saying man.
For an example, check out my Hulk vs. Cloak & Dagger thread.
Too many times people cast their opinions based on a character's reputation rather than looking at what each opponent can actually do with their powers versus their opposition.
Effecting polarity and electrons is sub-atomic. Magneto, even tortured, could lash out and strike decisively with adverse polarities. That just happens to be one of Apocalypse's few weaknesses.
David killed Goliath.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Bad guys may win battles, but they lose wars. Apoc has victories and he has losses, like any villain. You can't hold it against him.Here on the forum, the fact he lost to a flying table carries as much weight as Dr. Doom losing to Squirrel Girl.
Here, it's abilities vs. abilities, not purely comic book feats vs. comic book feats. That's all I'm saying man.
For an example, check out my Hulk vs. Cloak & Dagger thread.
Too many times people cast their opinions based on a character's reputation rather than looking at what each opponent can actually do with their powers versus their opposition.
Effecting polarity and electrons is sub-atomic. Magneto, even tortured, could lash out and strike decisively with adverse polarities. That just happens to be one of Apocalypse's few weaknesses.
David killed Goliath.
I agree, but you can't look individually to stats or individually to feats. There must be feats that prove the stats, otherwise it's just words.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, fighting Plasticman Apoc has a decisive advantage. Plasticman has been knocked out by Batman (Dark Knight Strikes again), he simply can't die, and also, Plastic man was ripped in half by Doomsday in Doomsday Wars.
Correct if Im wrong but DK and DK strikes again are elseworlds arent they?
Originally posted by Wickerman
I agree, but you can't look individually to stats or individually to feats. There must be feats that prove the stats, otherwise it's just words.
Yeah, but even then, people interpret what happens in comics differently. For instance, the whole War Hulk vs. Juggernaut debate. In other instances, people discount occurences altogether as either PIS, or the writer being a hack, so even using comic occurences gets disputed. Apoc can run from a table in one comic, but then mow through a throng of X-Men in a weakened state in another, or defeat Eternals in another.
Personally, I just look at abilities.
Pushing War World through space, taking a 1,000,000 megaton nuke to the chin, or bracing a 250,000,000,000 ton mountain won't save you in a fight when your opponent eats souls or can't be harmed physically because they're an energy being, regardless of lacking similar or superior feats.
In the end, it's all just words.
PM is not only indestructible but can also take any goddamn shape he wants. He's also immortal unlike Apoc. Immortality + indestructibility tell you something?
I don't think Plastic man is actually indestructible. I have one issue of Green Lantern (IIRC #116 Plastic Man Stretched To The Limits!) The Supplier has him on a rack of spikes which pierce him. However, once off the spikes, he heals in the same panel.
So, in theory, Poccy could tear him up. It'd take a while and probably piss Mr. Apocalypse off, but in the end, Apoc would take it.
Batman gets beaten pretty badly.
Even in Atlantis, Apocalypse could still take Aquaman down. Shouldn't be much trouble.
Flash might end it for Poccy. If he can survive a speed blitz, he'll take it, because he only really has to hit Wally once.
MM doesn't have anything he can't handle.
He goes down at Kyle. Can he fly through space? Kyle's constructs, energy blasts, and shields would be enough to put an already beat-up Apocalypse down for the count.