Darth Vader vs. Mace Windu

Darth Vader as of ROTS, as he is presented during his slaughter of the Separatist leaders, against Mace Windu as of AOTC, as his presented during the Battle of Geonosis.

Mace. If Vader was more level-headed, he might stand a chance, but he is nearly insane at this point.

Agreed.

Good point Glentract.

I think that Vader has the raw power to defeat Mace, this is before Mace has any war experience and after Anakin has alot. Mace probably wouldn't be able to keep up with Vaders constant offense.

War experience doesn't mean Mace wasn't strong. He helped prefect a millenia old form at the age of 13. He was a prodigy, and by AOTC he was a monster.

I doubt three years of the Clone Wars really made that much of a difference for the creator and sole master of Vaapad who was a jedi master well before Anakin was even born. Considering he was less active than say, Obi-Wan and Anakin and much older (meaning his style is already pretty well solidified and refined) it would be ridiculous to say he grew that much in power and that if he hadn't, Anakin would beat him.

Certainly unfounded, too.

I know, I know, but Anakin was a prodigy also, even more so than Windu, plus he has valuble war experience. It wouldn't be an easy fight, not by a long shot, but Windu would eventully be beaten.

How was Anakin a prodigy? All he was recognized for was being the "Chosen One", I don't remember anyone commending him in lightsaber skill or Force mastery.

Mace did finish the mental aspect of Vapaad during the Clone Wars, but seriously, Anakin is nearly insane. Mace is a fair bit more powerful than Anakin. Remember that Mace didn't fight very much during the Clone Wars too, yet I doubt you would say ROTS Mace would have much difficulty.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
I know, I know, but Anakin was a prodigy also, even more so than Windu, plus he has valuble war experience. It wouldn't be an easy fight, not by a long shot, but Windu would eventully be beaten.

Mace made Vaapad when he was in his teens.

Anakin was an ace pilot at ten.

Big difference in skill focus.

To be on the council at your age is unheard of.- Obi Wan (didn't put quotes because I'm not sure if it's the exact wording).

Anakin is definately gifted, there is little to argue against it.

OMG... Sidious PLACED him on the council. It has NOTHING to do with merit.

And Mace Windu EARNED a spot on the council before Obi-Wan or Anakin did.

Yes, but he definately had enough power to be on the Council, just not the whole...Jedi thing.

Anakin=shit

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yes, but he definately had enough power to be on the Council, just not the whole...Jedi thing.

And TPM Obi-Wan had the power to be on the council. He didn't have the wisdom nor the experience, thus he didn't qualify. Anakin doesn't qualify and this has **** all to do with the battle, so why bother with it?

Mace > Vader, period.

I will disagree, but argue no more, probably.

When you get some evidence to support your "opinion", do let me know.

Anakin destroyed Cin Drallig and after leading an attack on the Jedi Temple, he came out unphased, not even hurt (and yes, he did fight).

He defeated Cin Drallig while Cin was being fired upon by hundreds of Clone Troopers.