Darth Vader vs. Mace Windu

Started by Ianus3 pages

Sounds like the life to me.

Originally posted by Ianus
Mace made Vaapad when he was in his teens.

Anakin was an ace pilot at ten.

Big difference in skill focus.


Anakin still had Jedi abilities at ten though. He had the heightened reactions of a Jedi, and also, when the coupling on his pod-racer detatched, and he reached for it with that tool, I suspect that he actually used the Force (albeit unconsciously) to being the coupling to the tool.
Mace was able to beat Palpatine, but Anakin was twice as powerfull as Palpatine, so I suspect he would have overpowered Mace.

Ah, Anakin is not "twice as powerful" as Sidious. He has roughly double the Force potential. He never realized his potential, and considering that Obi-Wan matched him in lightsaber combat and Force power (During their ROTS Force shoving match) I see no reason why Mace would be outclassed by Anakin Skywalker, especially since Mace is specifically a lightsabaer prodigy, while Anakin was noted for his flying and wasn't even considered one of the best in the order.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Since when has Hayden been an expert on Star Wars lore?

He gets paid to swing around a lightsaber, kill droids, and bed Natalie Portman, that's it.


So you think Nick Gillard knows more about Anakin than Hayden?

He should. He created his lightsaber style and choreographed his fights.

Originally posted by mace=badass
Hes so overrated, hes just the head member of the high council....
and defeating Sidious is no big feat.... so overrated.

Guys, he was being sarcastic...

I don't get what all the Mace hype is about, everyone says he's a badass, why? He has that one "This party's over" line in Ep II, he has a purple lightsaber (woo, thats badass), and he's SLJ so he must be that same badass guy from Pulp Fiction. In Ep 1 he is like oatmeal, the most bland bland thing you'd ever seen. He is a reserved Jedi Master, who always does what's right, not some badass from the street.

Anyway, this is when Mace has no war experience, and Anakin has a lot.

I think Anakin would be more controlled against Windu then he was against Obi Wan. He has more of a personal hate for Obi Wan while Mace it is not nearly as much on a personal level. I believe he has the skills to take out Mace, it is weather he can use them or not is the question.

He has more personal hate for Windu then for Obi. Obi was his master en friend. Anakin didn't like Windu much, because he never trusted him.

Yes, but when Anakin realized that his best friend, Obi Wan, had betrayed him, he hated him even more.

Jim- I understand where you are coming from, and I agree that war experience will help but Mace was just more powerfull. Not to mention he was a jedi MASTER(just noting that he wasn't a jedi for only 30 years....about 54-58...right?) for about 30 years while Anakin was only a jedi padawan for about 13 and a knight for just a few days.
I say Mace.

To put in simply, Mace was on the Jedi Council before Anakin was born. he has a hell of a lot more experience, and is truly a dueling prodigy. He created his own form during his teens, meaning that he needed to have delved deeply into both Djem So and Ataru, and known everything about Juyo by the time he was twenty. He was knighted at an age so far unheard of, and was the youngest person that we know of to ascend to the Council by way of election. He is unrivaled in combat ability, with the exception of Yoda. Even by AOTC, he was a master of Vaapad. Meaning that the war didn't improve his abilities as much as it did those of Anakin or Obi-Wan. He improved, certainly. But not by a tremendous amount.

So while this may be a closer duel, I say it goes to Mace.

It's not just that Anakin has war experience, he is tested and is into the groove of fighting, whereas Mace in TPM has been sitting in the Jedi Meditation rooms practicing his saber skills every now and then. Also during Mace's training, it was standard training and he did well. Anakin was braught up in a time of war and needed to be on the top of his game during the Clone Wars. He has more raw potential then Mace (must not say the M word) and has about the same amount of fighting experience (Mace is older and has been on missions and such, but Anakin is fighting every day).

It doesn't matter. Even after three years of war, Anakin, while being extremely deadly in his Force of choice, had yet to become a master. mace Windu had arguably the same level of Djem So proficiency when he was in his early-mid teens. He hasn't gotten rusty, he hasn't lost his touch. Windu will sufficiently defeat Vader, albeit with some trouble.

Agreed. I like how everyone wants to argue Mace Windu down to nothing when it comes to their favorite character.

Alright, guys, Mace can beat Anakin. If they fought, Anakin would be struggling to keep up. True, rage did help Anakin beat Dooku. But at this point in the story, there's too much rage in Anakin. Too much for him to contain. Mace would've had complete conscience of his actions. Anakin could beat Palpatine, but only when his rage is at a low amount.
And like I said, at this point, it's way too high.

Originally posted by Ianus
He should. He created his lightsaber style and choreographed his fights.

Yeah, but Hayden is Anakin.
Agreed. I like how everyone wants to argue Mace Windu down to nothing when it comes to their favorite character.

*cough* Dooku *cough*