JLA vs Avengers Blood Lust

Originally posted by Draco69
First off, there's no such THING as Pre-Crisis Green Lantern. Have you EVER heard of a Pre-Crisis Green Lantern? No? Because it doesn't exist. The Green Lanterns survived the Crisis with no effects. Their purpose in the universe was to combat evil but more importantly prevent the Anti-Matter Universe from trying to take over the mainstream universe. The primary villains of the Anti-Matter Universe were the Qwardians. When the Anti-Monitor first appeared, he absorbed the Anti-Matter Universe into himself. The Green Lanterns battled the forces of the Anti-Monitor (which is why their role in the Crisis was rather small) outside of the universe to give the heroes of DC Earthes a fighting chance. By the time they got back, EVERYTHING was changed. Their lives, their homes, their families, their history. It's like the House of M almost. They remember EVERYTHING prior to the Crisis and the "memories" of their current Post-Crisis lives. Their power levels were not changed. They were the same people. However such a psychological trauma caused alot of Corps members to either quit or commit suicide. There is also speculation to the fact that such a psychological trauma mentally unhinged Hal Jordan (and caused him to be vulnerable to the Yellow Fear Bug) to become Parallax which was EXACTLY why he wanted to make everything the way it once was. A multiverse.

And you call this "mustering all his willpower"? He accidently destroyed a planet while trying to stop a rogue moon propelled by Doctor Polaris wielding God-like magnetic powers powerful enough to rewrite creation:

thanx for that.

Originally posted by Draco69
First off, there's no such THING as Pre-Crisis Green Lantern. Have you EVER heard of a Pre-Crisis Green Lantern? No? Because it doesn't exist. The Green Lanterns survived the Crisis with no effects. Their purpose in the universe was to combat evil but more importantly prevent the Anti-Matter Universe from trying to take over the mainstream universe. The primary villains of the Anti-Matter Universe were the Qwardians. When the Anti-Monitor first appeared, he absorbed the Anti-Matter Universe into himself. The Green Lanterns battled the forces of the Anti-Monitor (which is why their role in the Crisis was rather small) outside of the universe to give the heroes of DC Earthes a fighting chance. By the time they got back, EVERYTHING was changed. Their lives, their homes, their families, their history. It's like the House of M almost. They remember EVERYTHING prior to the Crisis and the "memories" of their current Post-Crisis lives. Their power levels were not changed. They were the same people. However such a psychological trauma caused alot of Corps members to either quit or commit suicide. There is also speculation to the fact that such a psychological trauma mentally unhinged Hal Jordan (and caused him to be vulnerable to the Yellow Fear Bug) to become Parallax which was EXACTLY why he wanted to make everything the way it once was. A multiverse.

And you call this "mustering all his willpower"? He accidently destroyed a planet while trying to stop a rogue moon propelled by Doctor Polaris wielding God-like magnetic powers powerful enough to rewrite creation:

But look they can hardly match Superman.

Again a after the Crisis Lanterns hardly do anyone the old Pre-Crisis thing that didn’t make much since.

That hal = > Pre-Crisis Superman

Who move many planets

not only that all his feats say "muterning all his will power" feats thor does with no problem.

again you can't find any Post-Crisis event?

DC has remade level of all Character that were near Superman level after Crisis.

Orion was = Pre-Crisis superman, heck now he can hardly handle supes
Darkseid apparently didn't get effect by the Crisis -------- ya he is still at those levels.
Black Adam = Pre-Crisis Superman, now he is equal = Post Crisis Superman.

Originally posted by Draco69
First off, there's no such THING as Pre-Crisis Green Lantern. Have you EVER heard of a Pre-Crisis Green Lantern? No? Because it doesn't exist. The Green Lanterns survived the Crisis with no effects. Their purpose in the universe was to combat evil but more importantly prevent the Anti-Matter Universe from trying to take over the mainstream universe. The primary villains of the Anti-Matter Universe were the Qwardians. When the Anti-Monitor first appeared, he absorbed the Anti-Matter Universe into himself. The Green Lanterns battled the forces of the Anti-Monitor (which is why their role in the Crisis was rather small) outside of the universe to give the heroes of DC Earthes a fighting chance. By the time they got back, EVERYTHING was changed. Their lives, their homes, their families, their history. It's like the House of M almost. They remember EVERYTHING prior to the Crisis and the "memories" of their current Post-Crisis lives. Their power levels were not changed. They were the same people. However such a psychological trauma caused alot of Corps members to either quit or commit suicide. There is also speculation to the fact that such a psychological trauma mentally unhinged Hal Jordan (and caused him to be vulnerable to the Yellow Fear Bug) to become Parallax which was EXACTLY why he wanted to make everything the way it once was. A multiverse.

And you call this "mustering all his willpower"? He accidently destroyed a planet while trying to stop a rogue moon propelled by Doctor Polaris wielding God-like magnetic powers powerful enough to rewrite creation:

Nice post! 👆 But kgkg knows what GL's are capable of, he just likes to dismiss there feats so the Avengers could stand a better chance. 🙄

No, kgkg has a point.

Technically, the GL there should be still capable of doing that, as should Orion be capable of tossing planets around with ease........but sadly, D.C doesn't care much for technicalities.

There is a pre & post crisis GL....just as there is a pre & post Orion & DS.
Both are depowered. 🙁 I hate when kgkg has an actual "point".

Originally posted by dvampire
Nice post! 👆 But kgkg knows what GL's are capable of, he just likes to dismiss there feats so the Avengers could stand a better chance. 🙄

that's mean........ 😂

Originally posted by long pig
No, kgkg has a point.

Technically, the GL there should be still capable of doing that, as should Orion be capable of tossing planets around with ease........but sadly, D.C doesn't care much for technicalities.

There is a pre & post crisis GL....just as there is a pre & post Orion & DS.
Both are depowered. 🙁 I hate when kgkg has an actual "point".

that's meaner than the post before........ 😂

Nah, I'm a kgkg fanboy...he's the first face of the undead tribunal. We go-back like throw-backs.

Originally posted by long pig
Nah, I'm a kgkg fanboy...he's the first face of the undead tribunal. We go-back like throw-backs.

okay cool then 😉

and what's the tribunal?

Originally posted by kgkg
Apparently there is Pre Crisis Orion, or Darksied etc.

No. There isn't. There's such thing as a DEPOWERED Darkseid. THAT much is true. Kgkg. You NEED to read the Crisis. You're assuming that the entire company just decide to rewrite everything. That's not entirely true. Several higher level beings survived the Crisis with little or no effect. Darkseid and the New Gods being of the latter group. The New Gods are in the 4th Dimension. OUTSIDE the universe. Darkseid was the only one who actually paid attention to the Crisis if only because the heroes (more specifically Alexander Luthor) came for his help. The rest of the New Gods were basically "F*** 'em. Who cares?"

Originally posted by kgkg
But look they can hardly match Superman.

Um. No. Before the Crisis, even with Pre-Crisis Darkseid, Orion, Darkseid, Green Lantern, etc. were shown to be superior to Superman of Earth 2. They beat him silly on every occasion. Green Lantern even once turned the moon into kryptonite in Superman's own comic to prevent him from following him in a space expedition.

Originally posted by kgkg
Again a after the Crisis Lanterns hardly do anyone the old Pre-Crisis thing that didn’t make much since.

You're not making sense. Again. READ the Crisis. You obviously have no understanding on the subject matter. Please understand the things you saying is like me saying Thanos with the IG lost to Silver Surfer in the Infinity Gauntlet.

Originally posted by kgkg
That hal = > Pre-Crisis Superman

There is no "that" Hal. Hal before and after the Crisis are one and the same. The latter being more mentally unstable.

Originally posted by kgkg
Who move many planets?

Who? Alot of people prior to the Crisis were capable of moving planets. But in reference to Green Lantern, he was capable of moving moons and planets at a whim.

Originally posted by kgkg
not only that all his feats say "muterning all his will power" feats thor doesn't with no problem.

Again. You're not making sense. All his feats don't say "mustering all his willpower." Hal has casually teleported galaxies by waving his hand. However with due credit, you do mention one of the disreprancies of the Pre-Crisis days. Hal has shown to show great strain tugging a moon one occasion and playing pool with planets (literally) the next out of fun. It didn't have much continuity back than granted.

Originally posted by kgkg
gain you can't find any Post-Crisis event?

After the Crisis, the writers deliberately downplayed GL much like they downplayed the Hulk, Thor, Hercules and several other Marvel characters in the transition into the 90s. However, in their own comic they have shown no problem of planet-destroying attacks.

Originally posted by kgkg
DC has remade level of all Character that were near Superman level after Crisis.

Um. NO. God, no. Jesus. You REEEEAAALLLY need to read the Crisis. Honey, the Crisis didn't erase everybody and start from scratch. LOTs of people survived the crisis with no effect. 1) Either they were outside the conflict or B) They were infused with the antimatter to make them immune or C) They were powerful enough to buffer the wave of recreation.

Originally posted by kgkg
Orion was = Pre-Crisis superman,

No, no, no. Orion was ABOVE Superman and is today.

Originally posted by kgkg
heck now he can hardly handle supes

Um. No. If you've read his comics you would see that Orion had no problems manhandling Superman. In one occasion he just backslapped Superman into unconciousness.

Originally posted by kgkg
Darkseid apparently didn't get effect by the Crisis -------- ya he is still at those levels.

Again. This is called DEPOWERMENT. You want me to bring up Hulk and Thor's drastic depowerment over the years. Thor could kill cosmic beings with his hammer back in the 90s but as time progressed he couldn't handle Ultron and Hyperion. Hulk could destroy Celestial armours and manhandle Adamantium robots back in the 60s with no problems. Nowadays he can't handle the Mindless Ones. DEPOWERMENT. Common in BOTH companies. But apparently only recognized in Marvel in this forum. Which is just wrong.

Originally posted by kgkg
Black Adam = Pre-Crisis Superman, now he is equal = Post Crisis Superman.

The hell? The Black Adam before the Crisis wasn't even the same PERSON. 🤨

We really can't debate the subject of the Crisis when you clearly don't understand it much less have read it. Do read it or get a detailed syn. of the events. THAN come back.

Originally posted by long pig
No, kgkg has a point.

Technically, the GL there should be still capable of doing that, as should Orion be capable of tossing planets around with ease........but sadly, D.C doesn't care much for technicalities.

There is a pre & post crisis GL....just as there is a pre & post Orion & DS.
Both are depowered. 🙁 I hate when kgkg has an actual "point".

But Marvel has its faults too. There are numerous depowerments in Marvel that have little to no explanation. It's just that they're ignored for the CLASSIC versions while the DC are always currently depowered on this forum no matter what.

Originally posted by Draco69
No. There isn't. There's such thing as a DEPOWERED Darkseid. THAT much is true. Kgkg. You NEED to read the Crisis. You're assuming that the entire company just decide to rewrite everything. That's not entirely true. Several higher level beings survived the Crisis with little or no effect. Darkseid and the New Gods being of the latter group. The New Gods are in the 4th Dimension. OUTSIDE the universe. Darkseid was the only one who actually paid attention to the Crisis if only because the heroes (more specifically Alexander Luthor) came for his help. The rest of the New Gods were basically "F*** 'em. Who cares?"

Um. No. Before the Crisis, even with Pre-Crisis Darkseid, Orion, Darkseid, Green Lantern, etc. were shown to be superior to Superman of Earth 2. They beat him silly on every occasion. Green Lantern even once turned the moon into kryptonite in Superman's own comic to prevent him from following him in a space expedition.

You're not making sense. Again. READ the Crisis. You obviously have no understanding on the subject matter. Please understand the things you saying is like me saying Thanos with the IG lost to Silver Surfer in the Infinity Gauntlet.

There is no "that" Hal. Hal before and after the Crisis are one and the same. The latter being more mentally unstable.

Who? Alot of people prior to the Crisis were capable of moving planets. But in reference to Green Lantern, he was capable of moving moons and planets at a whim.

Again. You're not making sense. All his feats don't say "mustering all his willpower." Hal has casually teleported galaxies by waving his hand. However with due credit, you do mention one of the disreprancies of the Pre-Crisis days. Hal has shown to show great strain tugging a moon one occasion and playing pool with planets (literally) the next out of fun. It didn't have much continuity back than granted.

After the Crisis, the writers deliberately downplayed GL much like they downplayed the Hulk, Thor, Hercules and several other Marvel characters in the transition into the 90s. However, in their own comic they have shown no problem of planet-destroying attacks.

Um. NO. God, no. Jesus. You REEEEAAALLLY need to read the Crisis. Honey, the Crisis didn't erase everybody and start from scratch. LOTs of people survived the crisis with no effect. 1) Either they were outside the conflict or B) They were infused with the antimatter to make them immune or C) They were powerful enough to buffer the wave of recreation.

No, no, no. Orion was ABOVE Superman and is today.

Um. No. If you've read his comics you would see that Orion had no problems manhandling Superman. In one occasion he just backslapped Superman into unconciousness.

Again. This is called DEPOWERMENT. You want me to bring up Hulk and Thor's drastic depowerment over the years. Thor could kill cosmic beings with his hammer back in the 90s but as time progressed he couldn't handle Ultron and Hyperion. Hulk could destroy Celestial armours and manhandle Adamantium robots back in the 60s with no problems. Nowadays he can't handle the Mindless Ones. DEPOWERMENT. Common in BOTH companies. But apparently only recognized in Marvel in this forum. Which is just wrong.

The hell? The Black Adam before the Crisis wasn't even the same PERSON. 🤨

We really can't debate the subject of the Crisis when you clearly don't understand it much less have read it. Do read it or get a detailed syn. of the events. THAN come back.

Like I said people that were not affected by the crisis were had there power lowered at least many heores that were close to Pre-Crisis Superman level.

Orion > Superman ya that's why he contained Superman

YOu were saying Orion > Pre-Crisis Superman

then Orion should easily pimp slap Superman now but he can hardly contain him
😆

Originally posted by Draco69
But Marvel has its faults too. There are numerous depowerments in Marvel that have little to no explanation. It's just that they're ignored for the CLASSIC versions while the DC are always currently depowered on this forum no matter what.

I don't really see this as DC vs Marvel, I'm just pointing out that D.C did depower the people who weren't affected by the I.C equally with the people who WERE affected by the I.C. i.e Superman & Orion are very very prime examples.

But, kgkg, don't let this confuse you into thinking that I won't use the whole "There is no PC Orion!!" argument if another Orion vs Surfer thread pops up. 😈

Originally posted by long pig
Well, yeah. I don't disagree a bit, you're right. Technically, there is no PC Darkseid & Orion, but we both know that they are different.

I don't really see this as DC vs Marvel, I'm just pointing out that D.C did depower the people who weren't affected by the I.C equally with the people who WERE affected by the I.C. i.e Superman & Orion are very very prime examples.

i'am not sure if the claim of thor and the hulk being depowered are true just cause they both job in a coulple fights dont mean sh!t.hulk is a notorious jobber and mostly due 2 bad writing there's a big difference between being depowered and doing the traditional "lose to a weaker opponent crap".

exactly so showing Pre-Crisis Pictures is irrelevant

Thor and Hulk haven't been depowered, just written more consistant.

i know that

Originally posted by kgkg
Ok then GL has been Depowered

Depends on who you ask. Unfortunately we hardly saw Hal Jordan because he was getting screwy from the get go. HOWEVER, you need to realize something. Hal after the Crisis still showed that his power levels were perfectly intact. When he became Parallax, he absorbed the Oan Battery into himself. The Power Battery was restored....to a lesser effect. A single ring was created with several depowerments most noticeably the supercomputer that connected the ring to the Oan Battery. To make UP for these major depowerments, they got rid of the yellow weakness and the 24-four hour limit. And the ring was given to Kyle Rayner. Now what REALLY pissed off GL fans was that 1) Kyle Rayner's ring (contrary to the popular saying that it was the most powerful version of the ring, this is NOT true) was a pale shadow of the original ring 2) Unfortunately the ring's true power wasn't restored for QUITE awhile (like a decade) 3) Most people who read comics nowadays don't REMEMBER or haven't even READ Hal Jordan's feats. THUS, alot of people (like you) have judged GL's (inaccurate) power levels by the basis of Kyle Rayner. This has caused MASSIVE damage to GL's character and standing in comics.

HOWEVER, with everything restored to the way it was prior to Hal Jordan mucking up the ring's potential, Kyle Rayner (and the other GLs) are as powerful as they were in the Pre-Crisis/early Post-Crisis days. Thus making the 90s GL incredible and making all Pre-Crisis event completely viable.

Originally posted by kgkg
Like I said people that were not affected by the crisis were had there power lowered at least many heores that were close to Pre-Crisis Superman level.
Orion > Superman ya that's why he contained Superman

YOu were saying Orion > Pre-Crisis Superman

then Orion should easily pimp slap Superman now but he can hardly

Ah. THAT's what you meant. You see the editors had a bit of dilemma. Alot of characters had no official drops in powers because the Crisis had no effect on them. THUS they had to CREATE reasons for depowerments after the Crisis occurred. Orion is one of them. As Orion grew more and more in power (it's important to note these events took place BEFORE Orion travelled to the new DC Earth), Orion's power became unstable. In the 4th Dimension, he was fine. But once he took a step into the new DC universe, he met some major problems. Apparently Orion didn't "mesh" well with the new universe. The universe rejected him because he was an element of the old multiverse. So, the Boom Tube was recreated to compensate for this. The Boom Tube when teleporting into the DC Universe, makes him "compatible" for the new universe. HOWEVER this comes with a tremendous cost of his own power. This can be assumed for all residents of New Genesis who attempt to travel to the DC Universe from the 4th Dimension. Darkseid was never explained and probably never will be unfortunately....

Orion, in his true form, is more than 300 feet tall and his at his Pre-Crisis levels of power. What's even more staggering is that the Boom Tube of the Pre-Crisis days made him smaller (like it is today) but concidely lowered his power in proportion to his size. Thus TRUE Orion at 300 feet tall is unimaginably powerful. This is obvious when he, in his own dimension, had no problems battling universe-destroying enemies.

HOWEVER, with everything restored to the way it was prior to Hal Jordan mucking up the ring's potential, Kyle Rayner (and the other GLs) are as powerful as they were in the Pre-Crisis/early Post-Crisis days. Thus making the 90s GL incredible and making all Pre-Crisis event completely viable.

Or say all Gl's have returned to there normal powers as you were saying.

Just think what that would mean.

Hal > Pre Crisis Superman

Who dragged how many planets?

Now according you Hal would beat down DC earth (all heroes together with ease)

I have read the latest volume nothing indicates he is at Pre Crisis level.

So let me get this strait you are arguing

That Hal (now) is > pre Crisis Superman is that correct?

Here you go Pre-Crisis Superman level?

This is current Hal

field gets broken by a mutant Shark
😈

Look he is running out of energy all he did was hang with sharks