You know what silver spider you're so correct so how about this I'll even it out.
Avengers
Thor
Hercules(Immortal)
Hulk
Quasar
Scarlet Witch (classic)
Namor
Quick Silver
Captain America
Iron Man
vs
JLA
GL (Hal)
Superman
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Zatanna
Aquaman
Flash
Batman
Plastic man
JLA wins this. MM can mind rape nearly the whole Avengers team on his own easily.
Zatanna stops time (which is a recent feat...not a desperate 60's feat dug out of someones attic AND its dependable.)
WW or Supes take out Thor
Supes heatvisions them to slag.
All this and we still have Aquamans telepathy to deal with, Flashes speed + WW lasso. Batman and Plastic man.
Avengers lose.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerAt that point, yea' and as stated, Namor was still standing because he's only HALF ocean life... but Aquaman is not LIMITED to ocean life. He can mentally attack and dominate and shut down any creature. He could easily attack Namor as an individual mind. His catching some of that backlash was complete accident. He wasn't TARGETING Namor.
So he wasn't targeting all ocean life?
Let's take shooting a large shotgun, for instance...
Shooting it enough times, the kickback [in this case "accidental/inadvertant"] force, can damage your arm/shoulder, bruise, in some rare cases, can even break it.
Now, turn the gun around, so the stock the other way, and AIM it at your shoulder. See what happens.
Originally posted by Juntai
At that point, yea' and as stated, Namor was still standing because he's only HALF ocean life... but Aquaman is not LIMITED to ocean life. He can mentally attack and dominate and shut down any creature. He could easily attack Namor as an individual mind. His catching some of that backlash was complete accident. He wasn't TARGETING Namor.
You are kind of implying that Namor was close to being knocked out. Which he clearly was not. He was walking and talking like normal. Headache is the only effect he gained. Everybody else were knocked out with ease. The effect Namor gained was maybe 1/20 what the others had. So he seemed to have pretty good resistance against that telepathic attack. Don't forget Marrina was knocked out too...was Aquaman targeting her too?
Originally posted by Juntai
Let's take shooting a large shotgun, for instance...
Shooting it enough times, the kickback [in this case "accidental/inadvertant"] force, can damage your arm/shoulder, bruise, in some rare cases, can even break it.
Now, turn the gun around, so the stock the other way, and AIM it at your shoulder. See what happens.
My head explodes...but I don't really have resistance against it. You are talking like he is like any other guy who is attacked telepathically, but with all the attributes I listed before, I don't think he could be taken out with such ease.
What are the most impressive guys Aquaman has taken out telepathically before?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerHe was attacking Ocean life, as I pointed out, and Namor declared it was a good thing he was only half atlantean, meaning he wasn't feeling it's full effects, and obvious he was glad he wasn't. And the declaration made it feel as if this was the ONLY factor saving him....
He was targeting all ocean life on that area, so yes, he was also targeting Namor.You are kind of implying that Namor was close to being knocked out. Which he clearly was not. He was walking and talking like normal. Headache is the only effect he gained. Everybody else were knocked out with ease. The effect Namor gained was maybe 1/20 what the others had. So he seemed to have pretty good resistance against that telepathic attack. Don't forget Marrina was knocked out too...was Aquaman targeting her too?
My head explodes...but I don't really have resistance against it. You are talking like he is like any other guy who is attacked telepathically, but with all the attributes I listed before, I don't think he could be taken out with such ease.
What are the most impressive guys Aquaman has taken out telepathically before?
If you didn't notice, also, Aquaman is appologizing to him while he's doing it. He's OBVIOUSLY not giving Namor REMOTELY CLOSE to full effect.
Knocking out all ocean life is a telepathic feat of it's own.
How many Earthly telepaths do you know can do that?
Also, during the fallout of the JLA, Martian Manhunter was losing in a mental battle with Despero.. so he ran and got help.. from Aquaman... who seemed to stand up better than he did. So much in fact, he actually took over the fight in Jonns place. This is another feat.
He's also shut down human minds, just like he did that ocean life.
So effectively, he can shut down the minds of ocean life and human life, why COULDN'T he shut down Namor's? He's been mind controlled before don't act like he's immune to it.
Originally posted by Juntai
He was attacking Ocean life, as I pointed out, and Namor declared it was a good thing he was only half atlantean, meaning he wasn't feeling it's full effects, and obvious he was glad he wasn't. And the declaration made it feel as if this was the ONLY factor saving him....If you didn't notice, also, Aquaman is appologizing to him while he's doing it. He's OBVIOUSLY not giving Namor REMOTELY CLOSE to full effect.
Knocking out all ocean life is a telepathic feat of it's own.
How many Earthly telepaths do you know can do that?
Also, during the fallout of the JLA, Martian Manhunter was losing in a mental battle with Despero.. so he ran and got help.. from Aquaman... who seemed to stand up better than he did. So much in fact, he actually took over the fight in Jonns place. This is another feat.
He's also shut down human minds, just like he did that ocean life.
So effectively, he can shut down the minds of ocean life and human life, why COULDN'T he shut down Namor's? He's been mind controlled before don't act like he's immune to it.
Many telepaths in Marvel could do the ocean life trick.
Well, Aquaman certainly seems to be telepath enough to take out Namor. I just needed an confirmation.
And only time I remember Namor being controlled is by Puppet Master, who doesn't use telepathy.
Originally posted by kgkgYes, but they did avoid the re-write, storywise. Which is the point. That means, those characters feats, are still those characters feats.
Apparently there is Pre Crisis Orion, or Darksied etc.But look they can hardly match Superman.
Again a after the Crisis Lanterns hardly do anyone the old Pre-Crisis thing that didn’t make much since.
That hal = > Pre-Crisis Superman
Who move many planets
not only that all his feats say "muterning all his will power" feats thor does with no problem.
again you can't find any Post-Crisis event?
DC has remade level of all Character that were near Superman level after Crisis.
Orion was = Pre-Crisis superman, heck now he can hardly handle supes
Darkseid apparently didn't get effect by the Crisis -------- ya he is still at those levels.
Black Adam = Pre-Crisis Superman, now he is equal = Post Crisis Superman.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerNot only that, but he could effectively make Namor not a mutant. Numerous times in his own comic since getting the magic hand, he's cured mutations. Likewise, with it, he can dispell magic.
Many telepaths in Marvel could do the ocean life trick.Well, Aquaman certainly seems to be telepath enough to take out Namor. I just needed an confirmation.
And only time I remember Namor being controlled is by Puppet Master, who doesn't use telepathy.
Let's examine this on a power level in similarities...
Thor vs. Superman
Hercules vs. Martian Manhunter
Wonder Man vs. Wonder Woman
Captain America vs. Batman
Quick Silver vs. Flash
Namor vs. Aquaman
JLA wins every single one of these fights, with the only debatable ones being Thor/Hercules. Plastic Man, if you remember, is one of the strongest members of the JLA, so he could take Iron Man and whatnot. For those of you that think Captain America can beat Batman...do you remember him taking down the martians? There's a slight possibility that the Avengers can put up a small fight but they have virtually no chance at this fight. The Justice League is way, way too powerful, especially when you have people like Superman who is written as a near god, and Flash who is so out of Quicksilver's league that it isn't even funny.
JLA 9.5/10
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerSuperman's powers aren't a mutation.
What kind of mutations? Can he just take away natural abilities, like Jean Grey's telekinesis, or Superman's powers? Or does it limit to non-natural mutations in people, like Spider-Man?Is there an occasion where he has taken away natural powers?
Originally posted by Juntai
He was attacking Ocean life, as I pointed out, and Namor declared it was a good thing he was only half atlantean, meaning he wasn't feeling it's full effects, and obvious he was glad he wasn't. And the declaration made it feel as if this was the ONLY factor saving him....If you didn't notice, also, Aquaman is appologizing to him while he's doing it. He's OBVIOUSLY not giving Namor REMOTELY CLOSE to full effect.
Knocking out all ocean life is a telepathic feat of it's own.
How many Earthly telepaths do you know can do that?
Also, during the fallout of the JLA, Martian Manhunter was losing in a mental battle with Despero.. so he ran and got help.. from Aquaman... who seemed to stand up better than he did. So much in fact, he actually took over the fight in Jonns place. This is another feat.
He's also shut down human minds, just like he did that ocean life.
So effectively, he can shut down the minds of ocean life and human life, why COULDN'T he shut down Namor's? He's been mind controlled before don't act like he's immune to it.
i didn´t knew that, i don´t read aquaman he kinda sucks, but he wasn´t at manhunter´s level of telepathy, maybe he is now i have no idea, but in the past no way. and by the way manhunter can use telepathy on mars with someone on earth that´s quite a feat for me.
but about namor´s fight, it seems namor is physically better, but aquaman should beat him trough telepathy
Originally posted by LootI'd still give Namor the strength benefit, though recently Aquaman has been showing why he's JLA caliber in all areas, including strength. Like his lifting a city block feat.. The gap between them physically isn't what it once was. He could hold out long enough to get a win some other way I think.
i didn´t knew that, i don´t read aquaman he kinda sucks, but he wasn´t at manhunter´s level of telepathy, maybe he is now i have no idea, but in the past no way. and by the way manhunter can use telepathy on mars with someone on earth that´s quite a feat for me.
but about namor´s fight, it seems namor is physically better, but aquaman should beat him trough telepathy
Originally posted by Juntai
He was attacking Ocean life, as I pointed out, and Namor declared it was a good thing he was only half atlantean, meaning he wasn't feeling it's full effects, and obvious he was glad he wasn't. And the declaration made it feel as if this was the ONLY factor saving him....If you didn't notice, also, Aquaman is appologizing to him while he's doing it. He's OBVIOUSLY not giving Namor REMOTELY CLOSE to full effect.
Knocking out all ocean life is a telepathic feat of it's own.
How many Earthly telepaths do you know can do that?
Also, during the fallout of the JLA, Martian Manhunter was losing in a mental battle with Despero.. so he ran and got help.. from Aquaman... who seemed to stand up better than he did. So much in fact, he actually took over the fight in Jonns place. This is another feat.
He's also shut down human minds, just like he did that ocean life.
So effectively, he can shut down the minds of ocean life and human life, why COULDN'T he shut down Namor's? He's been mind controlled before don't act like he's immune to it.
Let's not forget he easily gave a White Martian a seizure.
Originally posted by Juntai
I'd still give Namor the strength benefit, though recently Aquaman has been showing why he's JLA caliber in all areas, including strength. Like his lifting a city block feat.. The gap between them physically isn't what it once was. He could hold out long enough to get a win some other way I think.
it´s true, i suppose namor has a better chance in fighting on land, since he can fly (only talking in physically abbilities).