Except who the hell tracks Batman from behind? He's the one who always comes out of nowhere; that far-eastern training to be 'invisible'. They are both masters of prep and planning, but things are so black and white for Frank, it can be a limit on how he approaches things. It could be the most brutal fight of Bruce's life, but he's got the genius brain for solutions to confrontations. And the h2h edge.
(I made the thread, I guess I can throw in my two cents)
To clear up any confusion for future posts, both of them have anything at their disposal they they've got.
I think anyone who predicts this one as a blow-away (no Punisher pun intended) either hasn't done their homework or is very biased. Both of these two men are exceptional, both have their strengths and weaknesses. This fight would be one of those fights that leaves the victor laying on the ground entirely spent.
My personal pick is the Punisher. Granted, Batman underwent a lot of training. But then again, so did Frank Castle before he became the Punisher. Batman is a tactical genius, but the Punisher isn't exactly a retard. He's a sharp one, too. A Batarang is a nifty tool. So is a flashbang. The only thing that would let the Punisher pull out the victory is because he always fights to kill.
And as a side note to Juntai, you know plenty about comics and nothing about guns. M-60 rounds don't 'bounce off' of jack shit - including a triple-weave Kevlar suit. One round would probably not make it through, but you don't shoot one round of M-60 fire. And even if the suit held up, the impact from the bullet would easily break bones and knock Batman on his ass. Anyone who says different knows nothing of basic physics.
Originally posted by jgiant
And punisher is not good on his feet, he got away from dd, wolvie and spidey with no weapons...is batmans headpiece bulletproof, it doesn't even matter punisher has grenades and can catch him off gard...and if the headpiece is bulletproof he could shoot where it is open, and don't tell me it is too small...punisher is an excellent marksman even with moving targets...and what does frank have to fear from martians?
*clears throat* now, we can all obviously see that u r a punisher fan...im not saying a 'fanboy' but still i dont know for sure...but, yes my guess would be ur saying the punisher would win is because he's in ur signiature....but, this would be a great fight IMO considering theyre the only two peak humans in comics with no special enhancers, powers, super senses or nething like that..they just rely on the skills they have trained to attain, their brains and wits and what theyre equipped with(batman-gadgets, the punisher-guns)
now back to the subject btw, yes, his cowl is bulletproof and its graphite reinforced metal that can virtually stop nething...the part in BB where alfred crushed the cowl was before he fixed it....i read it in the visual guide...bruce fixed it to where it was virtually impenatrable, and his suit, the Nomex kevlar-reinforced survival suit deflects bullets, except for at point blank range and if ur within point blank range of batman ur screwed anyway, believe me he'll be the first to know and'll kick that gun outta ur hand n knock castle unconscious before he even knew what was happening....n you say frank is an excellent marksman even with moving targets and could hit the part where bruce's jaw shows from the cowl cut? maybe, but how can u hit what u cant see?....see, thats the whole problem with batman, its y a bunch of 10 thugs couldnt take him down either, he will find you and strike first way before you even start to calm down from the fact you're scared to death because of hearing him billowing his cape around over u lurking around waiting to come in at the right time to take u down....punisher's lost man, hes just a guy with guns....no differnent than the thugs batman takes on daily...marksmanship isnt going to be a factor in this either if he was a better shot, which he probably is, no doubt, but how can u hit what u cant see? 😮💨
Frank took out 24 vietnamise with a shovel head and took seven bullets, he battles superheros on a weekly basis and comes out on top most of the times, he has killed over 2,000 criminals he has over thirty years of non stop war under his belt, he has been through three tours of nam'...
Originally posted by Superherovandal
I must disagree upon the fact that Punisher is like a normal thug. He would definitely be above most thugs. But he really doesn't bring much to the table that Batman hasn't faced.
Originally posted by snoopdoggHe is alittle more than just above MOST thugs...
That is exactly what I was trying to say.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
I must disagree upon the fact that Punisher is like a normal thug. He would definitely be above most thugs. But he really doesn't bring much to the table that Batman hasn't faced.
i didnt say that...when i said the punisher was just a guy with a gun, i didnt mean he was like teh average thug, hell no, hes way smarter, has more artillery, plans better, comes with body armor, way better marksmanship, h2h fighting skills ect.
when i said that though, what i meant is that hes just a guy with guns...an advanced soldier who can take alot of punishment and has been through shitloads of special ops training n what not....but still, he relies on guns, thats what i was pointing out, and batman could still take him down
Originally posted by jgiant
He doesn't only reliey on guns, he also relieys on explosives, his training, the environment, opponents weaknesses...
explosives, guns, same thing..he relies on his equipment.....his training though yes, like batman....and yes, his environment also somewhat but not newhere near the level which batman does..remember batmans a ninja, he was especially trained to use his environment to his advantage and harness the energies from his surroundings and glean answers from them....and opponents weaknesses too i guess becuz of the fact he is much more skilled at what they do, but once again nowhere near the level at which batman operates at...lol u just pretty much named all of batman's strong points and why he would beat punisher without guns, rather than pointing out that pun could do something else besides using his equipment...cuz dude, batman usues fear as a weapon....and punisher may too, but not like batman...remmeber hes batman, the criminals have no f'ing clue what he is, they dunno if hes like a creature?, a demon? or what...so theyre immediately paralyzed by fear n bats finishes em off easily.......thugs see frank n hes just a guy with a gun like them, so theyre most likely not as scared