SASQUATCH vs. THING

I will say just a few things, since the above post was adress to snoopdogg

If Sasquatch is fueled with rage he goes back to class 100 strength due to Tanaraq taking controling. Meaning the longer this fight goes on the longer Thing is in trouble. No way would this fight be a quick fight, and if you think so your letting your bias get to you.

Do not take the Gamora as concrete evidence since even Ravanger (a would be god) knew Sas was better and Sas had a much better showing against him then Thing did.

Thing got in two good shots, one that staggered him and the one that sent him into the trees which he quickly got up from. When Thing was down he was shaking to get back up. Sas didn't even want to fight, he even says that multiple times. If he was serious from the start it would not have gone that long.

Even current calmed Sas went toe to toe with current jugz and mashed his face pretty good and even knocked off his helmet with one blow. Current Sas is not a weakling. I have no clue where you got that from.

Sasquatch takes it 9/10. Thing gets a lucky victory. But that's it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I will say just a few things, since the above post was adress to snoopdogg

If Sasquatch is fueled with rage he goes back to class 100 strength due to Tanaraq taking controling. Meaning the longer this fight goes on the longer Thing is in trouble. No way would this fight be a quick fight, and if you think so your letting your bias get to you.

Do not take the Gamora as concrete evidence since even Ravanger (a would be god) knew Sas was better and Sas had a much better showing against him then Thing did.

Thing got in two good shots, one that staggered him and the one that sent him into the trees which he quickly got up from. When Thing was down he was shaking to get back up. Sas didn't even want to fight, he even says that multiple times. If he was serious from the start it would not have gone that long.

Even current calmed Sas went toe to toe with current jugz and mashed his face pretty good and even knocked off his helmet with one blow. Current Sas is not a weakling. I have no clue where you got that from.

Current Juggs is very much depowered you have to admit...

As is Current Sassy... from the 1980's that is when 2n1 83,84 came out.

Ben got up slowly after Sassy hit him what 5 or 6 times in a row... And then got up and almost broke Sassy's jaw and it didn't look as if Sassy popped right back up he was sprawled out and moaning...

Ravanger key word (wouldbegod)

You can't get around it Sassy did say it... And he was of right mind so he must have ment what he said right?

Current THING is low to mid CL100 now and Current Sassy is CL70 right now... And he does get stronger with rage but it's not as if he's The HULK or anything... It doesn't increase that fast.

And definately not fast enough to stay in the fight for long and he knows it even though you wont admit it.

Current Juggernaut is depowered, yes. But he's still low class 100. He just doesn't have all the same invulnerabilities anymore.

And Sassy took it Juggy pretty well, pretty than Thing EVER HAS. Sasquatch, like previously stated, is faster, stronger, more intelligent, better.

I really wish they'd make a current comic with these two facing off. It'd make Thing a bit more humble.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Current Juggs is very much depowered you have to admit...

As is Current Sassy... from the 1980's that is when 2n1 83,84 came out.

Ben got up slowly after Sassy hit him what 5 or 6 times in a row... And then got up and almost broke Sassy's jaw and it didn't look as if Sassy popped right back up he was sprawled out and moaning...

Ravanger key word (wouldbegod)

You can't get around it Sassy did say it... And he was of right mind so he must have ment what he said right?

Current THING is low to mid CL100 now and Current Sassy is CL70 right now... And he does get stronger with rage but it's not as if he's The HULK or anything... It doesn't increase that fast.

And definately not fast enough to stay in the fight for long and he knows it even though you wont admit it.

Of course, but he is not a weakling himself. Still low level class 100 I believe

Yeah now if Sas was serious he would have kept pounding him into a pulp, but in different phases of the fight he asks Thing we should stop and he didn't want to fight due to he wanted to ask Thing questions. No he didn't, good lord. He said his jaw hurt nothing about breaking it. Besides his healing factor would kick in anyways. Now your being foolish.

Correct, but your not listening to me. 70+ tons is his base strength prior to being enraged. Tanaraq begins to take control and he goes right back up to what he was.

uh huh...the would be god that rocked Thing...*shrugs* His own words he said Sas was stronger. Also why are you claiming Sas has no hand to hand skills? he has been trained by Department H, which is the Canadian CIA. Your making him sound like he knows nothing about fighting. He has been an athlete his entire life even playing as linebacker for the Green Bay Packers [making millions].

haha, so writers errors are concrete now? Good lord that's a bad arguement. One statement does not outway years of feats.

Actually in many situations it does increase quickly, even with the Exiles Tanaraq took control instantly and there was a HUGE power increase. Same with when Sas battled Snowbird and the Super Skrull. I'm not even factoring in a quick rage boost, since this fight even in a weaker state will not be quick. This will be a long fight. Question have you read ALpha Flight comics other than the Thing apperances?

....now bed and then i'm working in the morning

King is this pic good enough quality?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Sasquatch005.jpg

If I rember correcly current Jugs and Sas fought twice. Once when Alpha Flight came to the mansion. Juggernaut beat him until he actually begged him to stop while blood was pouring down his face. Then he came back and kncoked juggeranaut a good distance away. Then I think the fight broke up but otherwie Juggernaut didn't really seem phased.

The second time Juggernaut was beating him and Alpha Flight by himself. Heck it was unitil Juggs stopped fighting back that Sas got any decent hits in and even then he had to hit him over and over to make him bleed. So I don't know if Sas is in that high a strentgh class.

Juggernaut is not what he used to be but he is still class 100 and has very hight durability.

Thing was knocked out by classic Juggy. Sasquatch took some good shots from the weaker Juggy.

This is how the fight started. Thing thought Sasquatch was attacking him but he wasnt.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Sasquatch006.jpg

Originally posted by Warmonger
If I rember correcly current Jugs and Sas fought twice. Once when Alpha Flight came to the mansion. Juggernaut beat him until he actually begged him to stop while blood was pouring down his face. Then he came back and kncoked juggeranaut a good distance away. Then I think the fight broke up but otherwie Juggernaut didn't really seem phased.

The second time Juggernaut was beating him and Alpha Flight by himself. Heck it was unitil Juggs stopped fighting back that Sas got any decent hits in and even then he had to hit him over and over to make him bleed. So I don't know if Sas is in that high a strentgh class.

NO!...did you even read that issue? Sasquatch punched Jugz and the impact was so great it created a crater and sent Jugz's helmet off. Blood was coming from Jugz mouth as well. Then they both get up and Sas says "god god...wait, man. Hold up a second." and with his guard down Jugz hits Sas. He was not beging him to stop at all like he was outclassed since it was his hit that made the ground shake and send cars into the air. He even charged at Jugz after that one hit when his guard was down and they both went toe to toe. Actually Jugz did seemed phase due to his face was swallown and blue after the fight. Sammy the Fishboy stoped the fight.

Good lord that was horribly written. First off even a pissed off Mac would not punch out Jugz even causing him to bleed. He would blast him with his energy blasts which would have been incredibly useful. Besides Jugz shouldn't even be able to touch them due to their speed and flight and Mac's computer mind. Both parties were unphased and it was Gaurdian and Vindicator holding back Sas from further punching Jugz's face in. Even in #433 it was Sas who sents Jugz through the building destroying most of his clothes [yet in #434 Jugz has his shirt back on? errr?]and it was shown Sas getting the power hits on and Guardian says, "WALTER STOP!", Walter replies "What do you mean "stop", Guardian? Alpha Flight gave Juggernaut his chance to surrender. This is payback". Mac replies "That's my point Walter. This isn't supposed to be personal!" and then Jugz gets up and hits Walter. Then Vindicator is shown blasting Jugz what looks like machine gun fire...wait what? and then the next issue is Mac punching Jugz and Walter pounding in his face. This was the Draco arc, where we find out Nightcrawler's dad is the devil......bad arc
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[QUOTE=5410296]Originally posted by snoopdogg
[B]Juggernaut is not what he used to be but he is still class 100 and has very hight durability.

Thing was knocked out by classic Juggy. Sasquatch took some good shots from the weaker Juggy.

The THING just got done fighting 100 villains straight at one time right before this... And Classic Juggs was the last one...

good fight but Sas probably takes it. He gots the size advantage.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I will say just a few things, since the above post was adress to snoopdogg

If Sasquatch is fueled with rage he goes back to class 100 strength due to Tanaraq taking controling. Meaning the longer this fight goes on the longer Thing is in trouble. No way would this fight be a quick fight, and if you think so your letting your bias get to you.

Do not take the Gamora as concrete evidence since even Ravanger (a would be god) knew Sas was better and Sas had a much better showing against him then Thing did.

Thing got in two good shots, one that staggered him and the one that sent him into the trees which he quickly got up from. When Thing was down he was shaking to get back up. Sas didn't even want to fight, he even says that multiple times. If he was serious from the start it would not have gone that long.

Even current calmed Sas went toe to toe with current jugz and mashed his face pretty good and even knocked off his helmet with one blow. Current Sas is not a weakling. I have no clue where you got that from.

CURRENT JUGGERNAUT IS A WEAKLING THOUGH...

and as for the thing/sasquatch fight, sasquatch is wobbly just like thing in the end... funny how nobody has the scans of that 😉. sas is struggling to keep going just like ben. despite having the upperhand he couldnt continue any longer than ben could. and as stated previously this was several years ago. thing HAS gotten stronger. thing HAS gotten more experience. also as stated earlier, thing when he HAS to do something can. he faired much better against champion than sasquatch did. because he had too... thing didnt HAVE to fight juggernaut. he just over estimated himself. but still... thats not a fair comparison. thing drastically changed in that issue where sasquatch knew exactly what he was capable of going into the fight with juggernaut.

thing wins atleast 6/10 IMO.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
[QUOTE=5410296]Originally posted by snoopdogg
[B]JThe THING just got done fighting 100 villains straight at one time right before this... And Classic Juggs was the last one...

Originally posted by who?-kid
That wasn't regular Thing 😕

I know that...

Although he was enhanced during the 99 villains it still took a toll on him...

Originally posted by KillAll
CURRENT JUGGERNAUT IS A WEAKLING THOUGH...

and as for the thing/sasquatch fight, sasquatch is wobbly just like thing in the end... funny how nobody has the scans of that 😉. sas is struggling to keep going just like ben. despite having the upperhand he couldnt continue any longer than ben could. and as stated previously this was several years ago. thing HAS gotten stronger. thing HAS gotten more experience. also as stated earlier, thing when he HAS to do something can. he faired much better against champion than sasquatch did. because he had too... thing didnt HAVE to fight juggernaut. he just over estimated himself. but still... thats not a fair comparison. thing drastically changed in that issue where sasquatch knew exactly what he was capable of going into the fight with juggernaut.

thing wins atleast 6/10 IMO.

No he isn't he is still low class 100

What you mean after the earthquake caused by Ravanger? No he wasn't, good lord he was dominating Thing. Yet he was still holding back due to he wanted to ask him questions and he was already weakened due to his transformation. GAH! I'm just repeating myself so I'm not continuing. Once again if written correctly, Sas would have done much better against the Champion. Not win, but done better. Actually Sas did not know what Jugz was capable of, he didn't even fully know he was there. Just some breif intel that Sammy was with him and that's the reason they went to the X-Mansion. They were not preparing to fight the X-Men at all.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he isn't he is still low class 100

he is a weakling compared to his former self... have to put things in perspective. wasnt much (if anything) classic juggernaut couldnt physically handle. he showed no limits that i'm aware of on panel.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
What you mean after the earthquake caused by Ravanger? No he wasn't, good lord he was dominating Thing.

he was dominating thing... when thing was much weaker than his current self. after checking back it seems that the ground was what was making sasquatch wobbly. my bad. i was remembering different. had to brush up again...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yet he was still holding back due to he wanted to ask him questions and he was already weakened due to his transformation. GAH! I'm just repeating myself so I'm not continuing. Once again if written correctly, Sas would have done much better against the Champion.

but he didnt... and if written properly, thing should have done better against sasquatch.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not win, but done better. Actually Sas did not know what Jugz was capable of, he didn't even fully know he was there. Just some breif intel that Sammy was with him and that's the reason they went to the X-Mansion. They were not preparing to fight the X-Men at all.

i didnt say that sasquatch knew what juggernaut was capable of. i said that sasquatch knew what himself was capable of. however when thing fought juggernaut, he was fluctuating in power. he was 100 x himself then right before back to normal and probably unaware of what was happening. the difference there is sasquatch knew EXACTLY what he was capable of. not that it makes a difference, neither of them can match original juggernaut.

Originally posted by KillAll
he is a weakling compared to his former self... have to put things in perspective. wasnt much (if anything) classic juggernaut couldnt physically handle. he showed no limits that i'm aware of on panel.

he was dominating thing... when thing was much weaker than his current self. after checking back it seems that the ground was what was making sasquatch wobbly. my bad. i was remembering different. had to brush up again...

but he didnt... and if written properly, thing should have done better against sasquatch.

i didnt say that sasquatch knew what juggernaut was capable of. i said that sasquatch knew what himself was capable of. however when thing fought juggernaut, he was fluctuating in power. he was 100 x himself then right before back to normal and probably unaware of what was happening. the difference there is sasquatch knew EXACTLY what he was capable of. not that it makes a difference, neither of them can match original juggernaut.

Of course no way am I'm implying that. What is interesting to note is that Sas faired so well against his strength and his durable (still good, but no where good as it was). For instance Jugz's strength is low class 100 and Sas's strength was said to be 70+ tons. His anger helps him to get back up to what he once was.

Other way around, Sas should have eneded the fight quick with Thing. He lifted a 250 ton DC-10 and he did it with ease. There really wasn't a limit to his strength back in the day. Plus he had insane durability, but meh! like I said earlier Sas has been jobbing for years.

Sas can still get back to what he once was, due to Tanaraq taking control. I commented on this in the above posts, so no need to go on further. No worries, wasn't sure what part you were talking about

Oh I get what you meant, and technically Sas doesn't know his power. He keeps going up and down in strength and he isn't even in his orginal body...but that's another story. I agree, classic Sas would put up a fight but would lose in the end.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he isn't he is still low class 100

What you mean after the earthquake caused by Ravanger? No he wasn't, good lord he was dominating Thing. Yet he was still holding back due to he wanted to ask him questions and he was already weakened due to his transformation. GAH! I'm just repeating myself so I'm not continuing. Once again if written correctly, Sas would have done much better against the Champion. Not win, but done better. Actually Sas did not know what Jugz was capable of, he didn't even fully know he was there. Just some breif intel that Sammy was with him and that's the reason they went to the X-Mansion. They were not preparing to fight the X-Men at all.

Come on man your acting as if Sassy needs a full days rest after transformation...

Your also forgeting that Ben said himself right before he ran into Sassy and it IS a quote " I'm wasted! I'd like to drop in my tracks... But I can't stop... Not with giant mans life at stake!"

The last 2/3's of the fight Sassy was most definately trying to take him down with everything he had... He said so himself... And was frustrated when he couldn't do it...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Come on man your acting as if Sassy needs a full days rest after transformation...

Your also forgeting that Ben said himself right before he ran into Sassy and it IS a quote " I'm wasted! I'd like to drop in my tracks... But I can't stop... Not with giant mans life at stake!"

The last 2/3's of the fight Sassy was most definately trying to take him down with everything he had... He said so himself... And was frustrated when he couldn't do it...

Actually at times he did. Even in another instance when he transformed with a broken arm the stress of transforming made him go feral due to the strain was so great. When he first started out it was quite diffucult for him to transform.

No I havn't, but when classic Sas has shown to press 250 tons and he is just doing this "well" against a tired Thing. He was greatly weakened from that transformation.

You mean 1/3 of the fight, since the "fall" part was the tailend of the fight. Due to after the "fall" part Thing punched Sas into the trees.