Originally posted by exanda kaneI don't even view threads with xyz as the last one to post anymore..
Oh my. What a warped view you have.TPM by far the worst.
AotC a little better than TPM.
RotS much better than AotC.ANH way better than any PT film.
RotJ better than ANH.
ESB simply the best. It has everything. Yo cant explain its beauty.I spose whe people see that XYZ Jedi was the last post, think that the thread was been lost to noobism...
Originally posted by overlord
Too bad there wasn't an argument to why AotC is better than ANH in Anomaly's opinion. But at least Chinabing is happy. 🙂
actually there was one, ANH is a boring movie. I'm a SW fan and I have a hard time sitting through ANH now, especially after seeing the PT movies that have way more action then the OT movies. (and ANH is by far the most boring of all the SW movies)
the lightsaber fight, while interesting (more so now WITH the PT movies) is pitiful. (and you cant use the "obi-wan was old" crap because so was dooku and so was palpatine and they kicked ass. (and the lack of technology isnt REALLY an excuse either seeing as a lot of the PT fights had stunt doubles other then with Obi and Anakin) so they could have easily had a stunt double to spice things up a bit, I mean Obi was wearing his hood the whole time, which makes it easier to use a stunt double.
the death star trench scene, the climax of the movie, isnt very exciting either in comparison to the rest of the space battles.
the only thing i DO love about this movie is the scenes between Han and Leia, because they have such good chemistry on screen (and at this point its all sarcasm which is hilarious)
oh and it ties with TPM with having the worst ending of all the movies (i hate the celebration endings)
the scene that is good as i said is the Obi and Luke in Obi's hut. BECAUSE of the PT. before the PT it didnt really mean much, it was simply a scene to throw in some less then informative back round info. (other then the "a young jedi named darth vader..." part, which obviously had extreme relevance, but it also means more with the PT in place now.
AOTC was by far more exciting, the acting, I'll agree and say it is the worst acting of all 6 movies. but not so bad that I cant look past it. (ive seen far worse acting before)
the CG in AOTC does not bother me (if it bothers anyone then ROTS should bother you because the whole movie is basically CG)
AOTC was the first time we get to see Obi in a mentor position, and Anakin's arrogance. and the start of the Clone wars. and Yoda finally throws off his robes and kicks some ass.
AOTC isnt an amazing movie, bit IMO its far more exciting then ANH and TPM, not to mention it leads up to ROTS which is arguably the best of all 6 movies in my mind.
What! You dont like ANH?
I can't believe that! It's the social ritual in the Western World. You gotta love ANH!
You seem to be putting AotC on a pedastel above ANH because of some cheesy CGI graphics and flashy fights. The dialogue in ANH drives it along, complement by action; AotC is action complement by poor dialogue.
And the Trench Run is probably my favourite SW space battle - I still get horrible nausiea when I watch the zooming shot...
I didnt say i didnt like ANH, I said it was the most boring of all the SW movies.
I'm fully aware of the historical and nostalgia that ANH carries with it. but simply because the movie was the first and revolutionary does not make it automatically the best.
SW is an epic, and ANH is the least Epic of all the movies. SW is meant to be flashy, thats the point of it. the SW trilogy isnt a legend of cinema because of the dialogue (none of the movies have particularly good dialogue) what made SW is the flashy effects and the Epicness of the whole thing.
basically people who watch SW shouldn't be looking for an artsy movie with witty and creative dialogue. thats just not SW.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I didnt say i didnt like ANH, I said it was the most boring of all the SW movies.I'm fully aware of the historical and nostalgia that ANH carries with it. but simply because the movie was the first and revolutionary does not make it automatically the best.
SW is an epic, and ANH is the least Epic of all the movies. SW is meant to be flashy, thats the point of it. the SW trilogy isnt a legend of cinema because of the dialogue (none of the movies have particularly good dialogue) what made SW is the flashy effects and the Epicness of the whole thing.
basically people who watch SW shouldn't be looking for an artsy movie with witty and creative dialogue. thats just not SW.
SW was never flashy. The OT was believable (ANH in particular). It has always had innovative SFX but it was always used to complement a fun story.
ANH is a fun story in itself (even seperate from the entire saga) whereas the PT...=utter crap. By adding politics and an 'emotional' perspective (or as emotiuonal as GL can get) he took away the feeling of adventure that all the OT have.
GL's used future concept made sure of that, yes its only a minor visual code but it works, and I'm sure you understand that and, I'm sorry, but the trench run looks better than the ROtS Corucant Space Battle, apart from a few quick shots.
SW was never flashy. The OT was believable (ANH in particular). It has always had innovative SFX but it was always used to complement a fun story.
ANH is a fun story in itself (even seperate from the entire saga) whereas the PT...=utter crap. By adding politics and an 'emotional' perspective (or as emotiuonal as GL can get) he took away the feeling of adventure that all the OT have.GL's used future concept made sure of that, yes its only a minor visual code but it works, and I'm sure you understand that and, I'm sorry, but the trench run looks better than the ROtS Corucant Space Battle, apart from a few quick shots.
"SW was never flashy"
really? interesting, the point of SW and what made it popular WAS the flashy aspects of it. laser fire, lightsabers, space battles, that, at the time, looked more real then anything that the audience had ever seen before in cinema (or probably anywhere) the story was an adventure, yea, but it was meant to be an epic adventure. epic in terms of scope. the point was to push things that the audience had never seen before, thats what made it amazing. ask anyone who saw it in the 70's, they came home and were amazed at it. it looked amazing, and THATS what they talked about. only the hardcore peoples (like ourselves) analyzed the story and its contexts. the rest of the world loved star wars because it was fresh, new and finally looked "real" in the eyes of the audience.
before ANH (Star Wars at the time) no one would have ever dreamed of making something like the death star trench run, it just couldn't be done. then when people saw it it wowed them. the story of it all, while captivating (it would have to be in order for it to be so popular) was based around it being in a universe of spectacular things, things that were amazing to see and look at.
story's do not draw audiences, epic effects draw audiences. arguably great story keeps them, but the initial draw and love for SW was in the effects and flashiness of it all.
people who saw it in the theater for the first time left feeling blowen away, amazed at what they had seen. then after is when you really start to think about the story in detail and context, not before.
oh and to say that the Trench run "looks" better then the Coruscant battle is utter nonsense. thats like saying the lightsaber effects in ANH look better then in ROTS.
to say that just makes you look like a OT fanboy. sorry.
now i LOVE the OT too, but i also LOVE the PT, in context. you have to take the PT for what it is, not in comparison to the OT, which is what you are doing.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
AOTC was by far more exciting, the acting, I'll agree and say it is the worst acting of all 6 movies. but not so bad that I cant look past it. (ive seen far worse acting before)
Straight up! Attack of the Clones and The Fast and the Furious had that in common--> they were visually appealing action flicks with sorry-ass dialogue and acting reminescent of a junior high play.
Why does this thread go on? Why can't you love all 6 movies? Why must you compare them? Why must you diss the OT or the PT? Why must you say "This" is better than "This, this and this"? It's like pitting brother against brother! Star Wars dialogue has always been hokey, so what, it's in every single film. It's wonderfully hokey! Get some joy in your life man!
Why not discuss the quality of SW films? Otherwise, we might as well say: why argue in general which film is better than the other. Let's just say all movies in the history of the world are great and we love them all. And while we're at it, let's stop communicating at all. That'll solve a lot of problems.
Originally posted by exanda kanecause you joined. AOTC was b-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ring!
Oh my. What a warped view you have.TPM by far the worst.
AotC a little better than TPM.
RotS much better than AotC.ANH way better than any PT film.
RotJ better than ANH.
ESB simply the best. It has everything. Yo cant explain its beauty.I spose whe people see that XYZ Jedi was the last post, think that the thread was been lost to noobism...
TPM was good.
You only like AOTC cause it's PT and they're great wa wa wa.
Originally posted by exanda kanehey yeah!
SW was never flashy. The OT was believable (ANH in particular). It has always had innovative SFX but it was always used to complement a fun story.
ANH is a fun story in itself (even seperate from the entire saga) whereas the PT...=utter crap. By adding politics and an 'emotional' perspective (or as emotiuonal as GL can get) he took away the feeling of adventure that all the OT have.GL's used future concept made sure of that, yes its only a minor visual code but it works, and I'm sure you understand that and, I'm sorry, but the trench run looks better than the ROtS Corucant Space Battle, apart from a few quick shots.
Originally posted by chinabingI saw something like that on SS.
Why does this thread go on? Why can't you love all 6 movies? Why must you compare them? Why must you diss the OT or the PT? Why must you say "This" is better than "This, this and this"? It's like pitting brother against brother! Star Wars dialogue has always been hokey, so what, it's in every single film. It's wonderfully hokey! Get some joy in your life man!
Originally posted by exanda kane
Yes lol...amazed.And Star Wars was never flashy in the context I am referring to. Films that focus on 'flashiness' above quality like The Legend Of Zorro and other crap America spits out these days...Star Wars had more than that. Yet the PT has fit into the mold of modern Hollywood films; crap.
the PT still has more then just flashiness, but its more flashy and action packed then the OT (in some parts)
now the whole SW saga has its moments. I still regard the Battle of Endor in ROTJ as the best space battle for action of all 6 films. as well, i still regard the battle of hoth as one of the best battles in all 6 movies.
(ROTJ is my fav SW movie BTW)
there's so much from both trilogies that I love, but one thing that I hate is the fact that we differentiate between the OT and the PT, it should just be the Star Wars Saga and thats all. its one story, a story about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.
the very fact that we are all here talking about it means that we all love it in one way or another, and thats good enough.
It should be...
But there is a wide gap between the movies and some people, like me for instance, cant stand it. And because I'm one of these 'people' I can't look at them as one saga because their is a HUGE schism in the quality and sense of adventure. If I could have my way I would have prefered that the PT had never been made.