Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Ah, but that still doesnt answer my question!
They can manipulate matter, but can they create/destroy it?
They did destroy Franklin's Pocket universe ! They did create the X genes, which probably involved the manipulation of exotic matter ! Speculative i know, but they are ridiculously powerful !
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I know..they are ridiculously powerful. Probably some of Marvels coolest creations.
In that sense, the Angels were preparing to create a new universe if the current one was destroyed, so its not too different.
Mate you know im a big DC fan, but i can't see 'AZZy' being above Celstial level ! 🙂
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Mxy is a comedian. If he went serious not only Supes but DCU would be ****ed,
Exactly, Asmodel could have destroyed Supes with a word.
And this is coming from a Supes fan. Supes stalled him long enough for GL to pull his heaven feat.
The guy defeated countless Angels as well as other King Angels to conquer Heaven. Superman, Nabu, a Celestial, Galactus..etc...would get totally destroyed if they tried the same feat.
A full power Neron was scared to mess with the guy and treated him like royalty.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly, Asmodel could have destroyed Supes with a word.
And this is coming from a Supes fan. Supes stalled him long enough for GL to pull his heaven feat.
But unlike Mxy, Asmodel ain't the joking type. Demanding Supes to yied and pulling out that heaven stare ain't toying with Supes.
The guy defeated countless Angels as well as other King Angels to conquer Heaven. Superman, Nabu, a Celestial, Galactus..etc...would get totally destroyed if they tried the same feat.
Countless angels that we can't even gauge in power. Where the hell was Lucifer or Michael? All powerful yet Spectre, Phantom Stranger, or Highfather jumped into?
A full power Neron was scared to mess with the guy and treated him like royalty. [/B]
Neron ain't nothing but Mephisto level.
Originally posted by Beyonder
But unlike Mxy, Asmodel ain't the joking type. Demanding Supes to yied and pulling out that heaven stare ain't toying with Supes.Countless angels that we can't even gauge in power. Where the hell was Lucifer or Michael? All powerful yet Spectre, Phantom Stranger, or Highfather jumped into?
Neron ain't nothing but Mephisto level.
The light of heaven? Asmodel himself said that only the purest souls can look into it. That would qualify Superman especially at that time. Its not like Azzy tried to unmake him or anything. It was a hold, Azzy was surprised that Supes survived it, and by that time GL's miracle was completed. Hardly a true battle. MM was burning just trying to touch him.
Countless Angels, yep. By Zauriels description, even weak angels are pretty damn powerful. Asmodel alone was effortlessly destroying them...something that mortals werent able to do. Why would Lucifer and Micheal care? Where are they during all other crisis issues?
What are Mephistos greatest feats? And even on Mephisto level, to have such awe of Asmodel, that means he's ridiculously powerful.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The light of heaven? Asmodel himself said that only the purest souls can look into it. That would qualify Superman especially at that time. Its not like Azzy tried to unmake him or anything. It was a hold, Azzy was surprised that Supes survived it, and by that time GL's miracle was completed. Hardly a true battle. MM was burning just trying to touch him.
Yes, Azzy was surprised. If he was "toying" with Supes like Mxy, that'd be different. The difference between Mxy and Azzy is Azzy thought he could f#ck up Supes. He tried, he failed. If Mxy want to F-up Supes, Supes would survive it.
Countless Angels, yep. By Zauriels description, even weak angels are pretty damn powerful. Asmodel alone was effortlessly destroying them...something that mortals werent able to do. Why would Lucifer and Micheal care? Where are they during all other crisis issues?
Descriptions are discriptions, the only angels I've seen truly display high end powers are Lucifer, Michael, and Spectre. Spectre got slapped down by Michael just for trying to speak with Presence.
Asmodel, if he were a real threat, would have fought Michael for Heaven. The only crisis that counts is the one on heaven. Asmodel tries conquering heaven. That's different from Imperiex running around and messing with the universe. Michael serves the Presence and heaven.
What are Mephistos greatest feats? And even on Mephisto level, to have such awe of Asmodel, that means he's ridiculously powerful. [/B]
Greatest feat? Stalemating Galactus. Thor's greatest feat? Chasing away Galactus.
His usual portrayals, Mephisto is a hell lord and below Odin in power. Heck, even Hela is afraid of Odin, it doesn't mean all of a sudden Odin can stomp Nabu.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Yes, Azzy was surprised. If he was "toying" with Supes like Mxy, that'd be different. The difference between Mxy and Azzy is Azzy thought he could f#ck up Supes. He tried, he failed. If Mxy want to F-up Supes, Supes would survive it.
In all fairness, he surely wasn't "toying" with Supes like what Mxy does, but he didn't really take Supes seriously. Nobody is really that pure, so I doubt Azzy expected any mortal to survive the scouring light of heaven attack. Just having Asmodel speak was f*cking up the league..and here Superman goes surviving the impossible.
Supes was the one struggling there, the floor was breaking just from him doing his best to hold him. A punch from Supes didnt even faze the guy (same Supes that sent Majestic flying.) GL then performed his miracle.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Descriptions are discriptions, the only angels I've seen truly display high end powers are Lucifer, Michael, and Spectre. Spectre got slapped down by Michael just for trying to speak with Presence.Asmodel, if he were a real threat, would have fought Michael for Heaven. The only crisis that counts is the one on heaven. Asmodel tries conquering heaven. That's different from Imperiex running around and messing with the universe. Michael serves the Presence and heaven.
These are all guys with a lot more on screen time. Its not like they showed up to battle Asmodel either. So that can go both ways.
Lets get this straight. Asmodel DID conquer heaven...UNTIL he got to the presence. The presence basically raped him. Just like he did to Lucifer, just like he would do to Micheal, or Spectre.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Greatest feat? Stalemating Galactus. Thor's greatest feat? Chasing away Galactus.His usual portrayals, Mephisto is a hell lord and below Odin in power. Heck, even Hela is afraid of Odin, it doesn't mean all of a sudden Odin can stomp Nabu.
Galactus has been stalemated by the Fantastic Four, Thanos, Alpha Flight (who nearly killed him) Sentry, Thor and Mephisto, each on their own.
I can't say thats a great feat anymore. Mephisto is a low class demon trickster. Playing second class to Odin is pretty low even by comparison of being a 3rd of 4th stringer to the presence.
Nobody has said how Nabu will win. One thing I doubt that Nabu is very pure. Heavens light kills him ridiculously quick.