Do you worry that Gangs will take over your cities?

Started by Black Rob7 pages

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
No, but I live in a neighborhood with 3/4 colored people that are ganster and they come back the street until 3.30 in the morning with their loud stereo systems and such. The cops come back here sometimes. And speaking of gangsters I dont know how it started but my friends were at the Skate Park and these colored people started coming up to the Skate Park (and they were big ass guys too) and started bustin caps and all that. I didnt get involved or anything, but it was just stupid. Some of my friends got hurt and there were even knives involved. Nothing serious or anything.
No offense,but why don't you just say black instead of colored?

Maybe the government should do something about this. 🙂
People don't riot or gangbangin' for no apperant reason. But politicians usually ignore the people and problems until it's too late. (just look at 9/11 and France recently)

Of course the socker riots over at England can't be stopped. They all organise those for plain fun.

I believe the cops should just react better. The problem in areas with a lot of gangbangers is the cops' unwillingness to handle problems.Most of the time they wait until someone who isn't from the ghetto gets attacked and then try to stop the problem.In my neighborhood it takes the cops about an hour to respond to anything,AND I'M RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THE POLICE STATION!!! I mean i can literally have a 5 minute walk to the station but if someone gets killed i have to wait a freaking hour.It's just ridiculous.

Yeah, they are clearly not doing their jobs correctly.. 😬
They'll probably create more frustration and people feeling powerless..

I was hoping someone would mention Anthony Burgess book for this discussion. Gangs are the our darkest future.

WindDancer, do you live in CA?

Set up like a secret society's lodge, this gallery brings the visitors into the house of the Ghee Hin Society. Visitors can expect an interesting display of rare and original ritual objects used by the Ghee Hin Society, otherwise known as the Hung Society members during initiation ceremonies in 19th century Singapore. It was established in 1820 and is believed to be the oldest Chinese secret society in Singapore.

Background of Chinese Secret Societies

Chinese secret societies are believed to have originated from China. While those in China began with the political aim of overthrowing the Qing and restoring the Ming dynasty in China, those that sprouted in Singapore were less politically charged. Initially, secret societies operated as an economic and social organisation for the Chinese immigrant community. It provided financial aid, remittance services, protection for the weak, religious ceremonies, and burials. However, as the number of secret societies increased, the need to protect themselves from rival societies intensified. This prompted each secret society to stake its territorial claims. They controlled the streets dominated by their respective dialect groups and occupational specialisations.

One of the main activities of the secret societies was the collection of "protection" fees from shopkeepers, itinerant hawkers, petty traders, prostitutes, and operators of gambling and opium-smoking dens.

Secret societies became a menace to Singapore during the 1840s. They were the cause of several large-scale riots in the next few decades. In the wake of those violent outbreaks, the Protectorate of Chinese was created in 1877. Secret societies were required to register their organisations. They were actually outlawed in 1889 after a murderous attack on the Chinese Protector, William Pickering in 1877. However, this did not eradicate the secret society problem.

After the Japanese Occupation, secret society crimes were still prevalent, with daily occurrences of gang fights and settlement talks. The Criminal Investigation Department was reorganised in 1954 to create a separate Secret Societies Branch in order to wage a brisk campaign against the gangs. Today, secret societies comprise loosely-formed groups of wayward youths. However, unlike the traditional secret societies, youth gangs no longer observe any gang code of ethics or practise initiation ceremonies.

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Gang poem from singapore

YOU don't disturb my territory, and I don't disturb your territory.

That was how secret societies operated in Singapore in the 1950s and the 1960s. Gangland activities were rampant then.

Mr Harmon Singh recalls "those bad old days":

"When I first joined (the police force) in the beginning of 1959, I found out that secret societies were rampant. Organised crime, secret societies and gangland clashes were almost a daily affair, and there were gangs all over Singapore. Certain areas were worst than others. I got deeply involved in solving crimes and curbing secret society activities."

"In the course of dealing with the underworld, I learned that there were a few major secret society groups in Singapore. The main ones were groups like the 108, 24, 32 and 36, and the triad societies. Each of these major groups had splinter branches under them, for example, the 108 group had gangs like the Pek Kim Leng."

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Gangs were divided according to different areas in Singapore. The various gangs and their splinter groups were engaged in protection rackets, vice activities, prostitution and extortion in their respective "territories".

A gang would control many of the businesses operating in its area - like four-digit lotteries, opium dens, brothels and gambling dens. As some areas were controlled by different gangs, violent clashes often broke out between the groups.

A table of hot-spots for secret society activities: Who control where
Ang Peh Hor Jalan Membina, Tiong Bahru
Ang Soon Tong 10-milestone Nee Soon area to end of Sembawang
Hai Lock San Tiong Bahru, Seng Poh Road
Leng Hor San Covent Garden, Havelock Road
Pek Kim Leng Bugis, Chinatown
Sar Ji Boat Quay, Mohd Sultan, Kim Yam, River Valley Road
See Tong North Bridge Road, Beach Road, former Odeon Theatre area, Seah Street
Sio Oh Leng Ganges Avenue, River Valley Road

Even the "fairer sex" was not left out. All-women gangs, like the Ang Hor Tiap (or Red Butterfly Gang), were very common during the '60s and the '70s.

"They consisted mainly of cabaret girls, bar girls and hostesses," said Mr Singh. "Usually girls who were jilted by their lovers or who had had some unpleasant experiences with men. They were very mischievous and wild."

Mr Singh said that the women gangs were frequently involved in fights, but they usually did not engage in robberies or housebreaking.

These gangs gave protection to girls working in night-clubs and bars. Their favourite haunts were places like Clifford Pier, Eu Tong Sen Road, Jalan Besar, Tanjong Katong, Geylang and the Capitol Theatre vicinity.

THEY hang out at HDB void decks and shopping centres, go drinking and clubbing,
and get into fights.

To fund these activities, they extort protection money from younger,
vulnerable kids or 'gin nah' (Hokkien for children) whom they recruit into
their ranks.

These street-corner gangs are apparently behind the rise in the number of
youths arrested for rioting, say social workers.

In the first nine months of this year, 382 youths were arrested, up from 368
last year.

The gangs are made up mostly of teenagers. Some members are as young as 12
years old. The gangs range in size from five to as many as 50 members.

According to conservative estimates, there are at least 10 gangs in
Singapore, with different associations and branches.

Their members hang out at billiard parlours, pubs that play techno music, playgrounds, video arcades and malls such as Cathay Cineleisure Orchard and Parkway Parade.

Some gangs even use the names of once-powerful secret societies of the 1960s, such as Sio Gi Ho and Sio Loh Kuan.

But they are unlikely to be affiliated to these groups.

Private investigator Lionel De Souza, who once worked in the Secret Societies Branch of the police force during the 1960s and 1970s, thinks these old gangs still exist but now lack bite.

'These gangs cannot be totally eradicated, but they have now been successfully suppressed by the police, in the sense that they are no longer well-organised entities,' said the 61-year-old.

Street gangs thrive because they provide companionship and acceptance to members, who might otherwise feel like rejects in society, says Ms Carol Balhetchet, director of youth development at the Children's Society.

'These teens have to be more realistic about their preconceived ideas of feeling safe and protected, because they are only wanted by the gang to the extent that they serve the hidden purpose, such as carrying out illegal activities,' she said. 'However, this relationship will not last forever.'

In general, more males than females tend to be involved in these gangs, although gender rarely makes a difference.

'No matter what gender they are, they can be brutal,' said Ms Joyce Chan, senior youth counsellor of Teen Challenge, a voluntary welfare organization that works with youth offenders.

'Usually, the mentality is that the guys tend to be more heavy-hand ed, but the girls can also show no mercy.' Ms Chan works mainly with juvenile delinquents, including those who are trying to break away from gangs.

The gangs have devious ways of recruiting members.

Some use the 'good guy, bad guy' technique, where they get a group of troublemakers to bully potential recruits.

Then, the gang leader steps in to act as a 'hero' to protect them.

Another variation is to harass the potential recruit and demand he fork out money to settle the purported grievance and become a protected member of the gang.

Some recruits pay entrance fees of around $20 in addition to weekly protection fees of about $10. Members who cannot pay up are forced to sell illegal VCDs and shoplift.

But the most prevalent activity of gang members is hanging out in their territories and getting into confrontations over petty issues that eventually escalate into brawls.

These face-offs range from the classic staring incidents to boy-girl relationship problems.

Because the gang mentality is based on strength in numbers, the whole gang will turn up to help a member confront a rival.

The greatest problem is that these youths become scapegoats most of the time.

'I call these street gangs the dispensable group, because whenever a fight breaks out or the police conduct raids, they are always the first to be rounded up, rather than the real masterminds,' said Ms Balhetchet.

This is what happened to Aki (not his real name). When he was 15 years old, a classmate introduced him to the Sa Lak Kau (369) gang.

Back then, he felt it was cool to be reputed to be a gangster.

He was eventually arrested for trying to steal a motorbike on Christmas Eve last year, and put on probation.

The experience woke him up.

'I went for a prison visit, and the police showed me the cramped cells and
how the prisoners were being treated,' said the 18-year-old.

'They also showed me a video clip of a prisoner being caned. That really shook
me.'

The eldest son of a housewife and a machinist, Aki has now sworn off gangsterism.

However, many youngsters like him find it hard to quit these street-corner gangs.

It could be because those who want to leave the gang have to accept a beating from fellow members before they can do so.

In the case of the Sa Lak Kau gang, members have to pay $369 to quit.

Less powerful and influential gangs let their members go without question after a period of absence.

Although members who wish to leave may be threatened with bodily harm or may fear that their family members will be harassed, it is possible to escape from the clutches of these gangs.

Mr De Souza said: 'Change your mobile number and avoid the places where the gangs always hang out. And if they come to your house, call the police.'

Meanwhile, those who have friends embroiled in gangs can also intervene to help.

'Please, you are doing your friends a favour by telling someone who can help them,' he said.

Danger signs
Tattoos, smoking, late nights out, poor grades - private eyes list the telltale signs that a teen may be up to no good

By Tracy Quek

IF YOUR child's grades start to slip and his sunny disposition disappears overnight, or if you spot a tattoo under his shirt, don't dismiss the changes as just another bout of adolescent blues.

There is a chance the teenager could be keeping company with unsavoury characters outside the home, and might have even joined a street gang.

Private investigators, who have been asked by worried parents to track and monitor their children's activities, say sudden changes in behaviour are the telltale signs. Six of the eight private investigation firms The Sunday Times spoke to said more parents are engaging them to find out what their kids get up to after school. Their top request: Find out if my child is a pai kia - the Hokkien term often used to describe a gangster.

Dong Security and Investigation got 15 calls within a fortnight of placing a newspaper advertisement saying it can find out if a child is involved in street gangs. The firm has taken on six cases so far. It has a team of five former police officers - each with more than 10 years' experience in the Criminal Investigation Department's secret societies branch - who can sniff out wayward youths.

Said its owner Anthony Tan, 37: 'The investigators know how to identify gang members, they know where they hang out and most importantly, how to deal with the kid who's gotten involved.'

Police say that although the street gang situation here is under control, youth crime is worrying. A gang member is a criminal under the Societies Act. Mixing or associating with gang members is also an offence and youths can be prosecuted in court.

Last year, 4,658 youths were arrested, 5 per cent more than the year before, for theft and rioting.

Telltale signs that a child is a gang member: The youngster takes extra clothes to school, turns in poor grades, smokes, spends late nights out, plays truant, bullies and sports a tattoo.

Most times, street gangs frequent coffee shops, Housing Board void decks, video arcade centres, billiard saloons and discotheques. Private investigator Lionel De Souza, manager of LJ Investigation and Consultancy Services, believes parents turn to PIs because they are busy at work. They seek help, he said, to 'change their 'uncontrollable' children'.

His investigators hit the streets to monitor the teens' whereabouts and daily routine, find out who their friends are, favourite hangouts and if the company they keep are connected to any secret society or gang. This can take a week to a month, said PIs who charge $2,000 to $4,000 a week.

Joining a gang can be fatal. Said a police spokesman: 'Being in a gang could lead to unnecessary and senseless violence like when a rival gang is attacked and itretaliates, with dire consequences.'

Coffee shops? What p*ssy ass ganbangers hang out in coffee shops? You silly chinese people...

Originally posted by Black Rob
No offense,but why don't you just say black instead of colored?

Because I figured people would get all pissy. I guessed wrong.

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
Because I figured people would get all pissy. I guessed wrong.
I'm not mad just saying most people dont care. Was just wondering

Originally posted by DrDoom101
WindDancer, do you live in CA?

Southern California ✅

Originally posted by KidRock
Cause New Jersey is the shithole of the United States.

😂

Originally posted by Black Rob
Coffee shops? What p*ssy ass ganbangers hang out in coffee shops? You silly chinese people...

😂 The Latino and italian ones

Well, I think the world would be a better place if gangs talked their difference out over a nice cup of tea or latte instead of beatings and drive buys or what have you. Maybe some scones, a jazz soundtrack playing. Yeah, coffee shops. Not starbucks though, foul ditchwater.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
😂
don't laugh at that! I'm tired of folks dissing New Jerz. F*ck all you guys!

So why is New Jersey dissed so? Not being of American stock (no disrespect but thank God) I must admit I have no idea about the US state competition. What does New Jersey have going for it or against it (are their Jersey cows there? I think they are a type of dairy cow)