Do you worry that Gangs will take over your cities?

Started by Black Rob7 pages

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So why is New Jersey dissed so? Not being of American stock (no disrespect but thank God) I must admit I have no idea about the US state competition. What does New Jersey have going for it or against it (are their Jersey cows there? I think they are a type of dairy cow)
New Jersey has one of the best test scores in America so rednecks like KidRock hate us cuz we're freaking geniuses.Honestly though,i think it's because of the negative association with New York which gives people the impression we are a "wannabe state".That and we lack any real points of interest or famous places.Also back in the day there use to be a lot of mafioso in New Jersey so we also get associated with all that wiseguy crap. And no there is no Jersey cows,just Jersey monkeys

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our city is protected by the ghost of charles bronson

Originally posted by Black Rob
Coffee shops? What p*ssy ass ganbangers hang out in coffee shops? You silly chinese people...

Den i think u are the silly blackie

Before 1918

History of the triads and secret societies in Singapore

The underworld of the secret societies began early in the beginning of the history of Singapore even before its discovery by Sir Stamford Raffles in 1819. Early before this so called discovery by Raffles, Singapore was an island city doing most of the time the barter trade business. It was the business of the exchange of goods. Even as some of it is still plying in its style among the Indonesian island and the Philippines. In Singapore today with all its modern facilities, skyscrapers and Mass Rapid Transportation the Industrial age begin introduced by Singapore into the lesser dynamic countries like China and Asean. The introduction of the Economic Industrialisation like ShenZhen, GuangZhou and the northwestern remote cities of China. Slowly likewise in the same way in India. It happens but then amongst the less elite, amongst the poor, the barter trade is the only one source of business being done even today.

In the early days all sorts of goods were transported by ships all over the world to Singapore. The ships carried goods and people who had dreams of making their stay permanent by setting up families, homes and business. But it was for this reason the migration of Chinese settlers into Singapore saw the influx of labourers called "Coolies" who ate and sleep at the warehouses where they worked. It was here at the "Coolie Kengs" that the triad societies infiltrated. Here triads who usually only admitted their own members into the workforce found it was better to recruit also outsiders as they outnumbered the triads. In this ways splinter groups also become the recruiters of the outsiders. This way it gave birth to the Secret Societies of today.

The original "Gi Hin" was the largest society who could not take care of all its members. So they went away to the new secret societies. The 108 and 24 were formed after the 36, 18 and 13 groups. They become the biggest two groups which dominated Singapore. They also spread out into splinter groups that followed causing all the hurt and deaths.

The differences between the triads and the secret societies was a vast one because the triads from China was only interested in finer principles of life. In China they were successful in politics and had completed their supported for President Sun Chong San who they installed as the first President of Chinese China. They had put away the Manchu Government who had earlier ruled over them. Now they had nothing to do. Some formed the secret societies and involved themselves in the lucrative prostitution, drugs and gambling vices. Greed from monetary gains made enemies. So the gang wars started.

These phantoms helped make our streets safe
Little is known about it even now, more than four decades after it was disanded. But in the late 1950s it played a major role in making Singapore safe from secret societies. Its untold story is as full of cloak as dagger, of officers looking and acting like the men they were after, and getting mixed up in the rough stuff. Now, for the first time, The New Paper speaks to retired members of a police unit that was so secretive it was known only as... the Phantom Squad.
By Arul John [email protected] OUTNUMBERED, surrounded, attacked. The undercover police officer, who was wounded and bleeding, fell to the ground.
03 January 2004
By Arul John

OUTNUMBERED, surrounded, attacked. The undercover police officer, who was wounded and bleeding, fell to the ground.

He looked up, and saw his attacker aiming a spear at him. As it came down, the officer managed to deflect it from his vital organs.

His hand was a bloody mess, but he still managed to fire his revolver. And his last bullet claimed the life of his assailant.

Sounds like fiction - but Mr Patrick Tan will tell you that it's all fact.

He should know. He was the officer involved.

Mr Tan, 65, a retired police inspector, was a member of the Phantom Squad, a shadowy unit that targeted secret societies.

He described how, as a constable, he and four colleagues went to flush out a gang in the Beach Road area, and found instead that about 40 gangsters were closing in on them.

The cops split into two groups and retreated. One officer radioed for help.

Suddenly, Mr Tan was surrounded and hit on the head with a bicycle chain.

Bleeding profusely from his forehead, he ran for cover but fell to the ground. His attacker caught up and tried to spear him.

Mr Tan managed to grab the spear and it pierced only his left thigh.

His left hand was also wounded, with skin and flesh hanging loose from his middle finger. But he got out his revolver and fired, hitting the gangster in the chest.

Another officer, who saw what was happening as he drove past, got out of his car and chased the attackers.

Mr Tan made it to the car on his own, and then fainted.

He said: 'If not for that officer, I would have died. I was told the bullet lodged near my attacker's heart and he died in hospital three days later.'

BADLY INJURED

Mr Tan himself was in hospital. His head wound needed 14 stitches, while his finger needed 13. After he was discharged, he was given a month's medical leave.

He returned to the squad and the struggle with the gangsters went on. In the 1950s and 1960s, secret societies (SS) played havoc here.

Private investigator Lionel de Souza, a retired police officer, said it was difficult to curb their influence as many people saw the gangsters as Robin Hood figures.

He said: 'They informed SS members when police looked for them and let them hide in their kampungs and squatter areas.'

The Phantom Squad was formed in late 1958 or early 1959 with one officer and 12 men from the Police Reserve Unit (PRU) to get intelligence about planned gang attacks.

Its members often worked at night and 'moved like ghosts or phantoms'.

Mr de Souza said officers in the squad had to look and act like gangsters in order to catch gangsters.

CONSTANT DANGER

And the work involved constant danger.

Mr Tan said: 'In the 1950s and 1960s, the funeral procession of an SS member passing through a rival's territory could spark a fight.

'As the police did not know where many SS hideouts and hangouts were, the squad was formed to find these places, flush the SS out and eliminate them.'

Phantom Squad men were selected from young police officers who showed courage and were active in sports. They were sent to the PRU for intensive training in camouflage, surveillance, cultivating informers and criminal investigation.

Mr Tan and his squad also learnt the ins and outs of SS life from experts and the Criminal Investigation Department.

COLOUR CODES

He explained: 'As the 08 gang wore colourful clothes and the 24 gang wore black and white, we would wear colourful clothes when in a 24 hangout, to flush them out.'

Mr de Souza said the squad reported directly to the assistant commissioner of police and its members knew their assignments only on the day itself. Parangs and guns were often used against them, and one raid even turned up Sten guns.

The Phantom Squad also had to watch out for acid attacks and ambushes.

Once, after the gangbusters drove past a wooded area in Bedok, they were informed that a group of men with shotguns had just set up an ambush there. The cops had missed death by a few minutes.

Security firm chief Ronnie Lew, who is in his 60s, also used to be a member of the squad. He recalled how his group was once challenged by nearly 100 SS members at a Henderson Road glass factory but were left unharmed as the gangsters thought them too skinny to fight.

Mr de Souza said the squad was disbanded in 1960 after laws were passed allowing SS members to be detained for long periods without trial, choking their activities.

Added Mr Tan: 'I want to tell my story now, because many young Singaporeans do not know how bad things were before and I am glad the squad played a part in making the country safe for them.'

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Secret societies outlawed

MR Tan retired from the police force in 1983 and is now chief executive of a firm that is involved in private investigation, surveillance and other security matters.

In June 1959, strict laws were passed that made it an offence to harbour SS members.

In December that year, a two-week amnesty period was announced to allow people who claimed to have been forced to join secret societies to give themselves up.

One year after the laws were passed, the number of secret societies dropped from 334 to 168.

The number of SS incidents also dropped by 40 per cent in 1960 compared with 1959.

Originally posted by Thoma5
Den i think u are the silly blackie
Touche

Originally posted by Black Rob
New Jersey has one of the best test scores in America so rednecks like KidRock hate us cuz we're freaking geniuses.Honestly though,i think it's because of the negative association with New York which gives people the impression we are a "wannabe state".That and we lack any real points of interest or famous places.Also back in the day there use to be a lot of mafioso in New Jersey so we also get associated with all that wiseguy crap. And no there is no Jersey cows,just Jersey monkeys

Well NYC is better than NJ 😛

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Well NYC is better than NJ 😛
F*ck NYC!

Originally posted by Black Rob
F*ck NYC!

😑

NYC rulez

YES

in no way have i ever thought my city would be taken over by gangs. their are gangs, but definantly not the kind that would take over the city. our police will bust some caps to keep good ol' Ft. Collins a safe place

Originally posted by fruits
in no way have i ever thought my city would be taken over by gangs. their are gangs, but definantly not the kind that would take over the city. our police will bust some caps to keep good ol' Ft. Collins a safe place

Where is Ft. Collins?

Colorado. its not a big city, but not a small city.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
NYC rulez
NJ rulez harder

I live in a suburban town in NJ, so definately not. Although, I'm just 20 mins. away from towns like Newark and East Orange, which are infested with the Crips and the Bloods. I really think the government needs to crack down harder on gang activity. Look how out of control the Mafia got years ago. We need to stop gangs from gaining power. In my opinion, being a member of ANY gang, whether it be Crips, Bloods, Mafia, Westies, Yakuza, etc. should warrant life in jail. It should be considered one of the most heinous crimes, up there with cannibals, terrorists, and neo-nazis.

Originally posted by Black Rob
NJ rulez harder

No it doesn't. NYC got NJ has times 100! 😱

Originally posted by TrueEmperorNero
I live in a suburban town in NJ, so definately not. Although, I'm just 20 mins. away from towns like Newark and East Orange, which are infested with the Crips and the Bloods. I really think the government needs to crack down harder on gang activity. Look how out of control the Mafia got years ago. We need to stop gangs from gaining power. In my opinion, being a member of ANY gang, whether it be Crips, Bloods, Mafia, Westies, Yakuza, etc. should warrant life in jail. It should be considered one of the most heinous crimes, up there with cannibals, terrorists, and neo-nazis.

So, little children should get life in prison?

Originally posted by TrueEmperorNero
I live in a suburban town in NJ, so definately not. Although, I'm just 20 mins. away from towns like Newark and East Orange, which are infested with the Crips and the Bloods. I really think the government needs to crack down harder on gang activity. Look how out of control the Mafia got years ago. We need to stop gangs from gaining power. In my opinion, being a member of ANY gang, whether it be Crips, Bloods, Mafia, Westies, Yakuza, etc. should warrant life in jail. It should be considered one of the most heinous crimes, up there with cannibals, terrorists, and neo-nazis.

And don't forget tele-marketers, the modern bane of the civilised world. And people who send chain letters/email. And maybe the executives of Starbucks. And any body who buys a Britney Spears CD as well. Oh, as well as any body who appears on, or watches, Big Brother.

I'll agree, gangs are a serious problem, but I am not sure I would put them up there with cannibals, terrorists and neo-Nazis. Of course I don't live in a nation plagued with gangs, though surely prevention is better then cure - giving them all life sentences I suspect would strain an already strained legal system, far better to go to the breeding grounds and nip the problem in the bud with preventative, rather then reactive measures.

And sure, the police though should have a zero tolerance policy on gangs causing disruption - the moment they cause even a little trouble, or there's the slightest wiff of some gang related disturbance then the full force of the law should be brought down on them. Crush the mischef makers before they can do any real harm, then work hard to make sure people see that there are better ways to go through life then being part of a gang.