NJO Kyle Katarn and NJO Jaden Korr vs. Count Dooku

War! The New Republic is crumbling under the ruthless attacks of the reborn Sith Lord, Count Dooku. As the shrewd son of Serenno rallies even more star systems to his once-lost cause, the Jedi struggle to hold the galaxy together. With his new droid army, Dooku launches another devastating attack, one aimed at the heart of the Reoublic.

As Coruscant prepares itself for another, terrible battle, Leia Organa steps forward to address the threat at hand. But in a daring move, the renegade Jedi Ventress sweeps into the assembly and kidnaps the one figure who could yet quell the civilian crisis at hand.

Now, two Jedi Knights are dispatched to rescue the Senator, and apprehend the terrorists who have yet again threatened the galaxy. As Luke Skywalker and the rest of the Jedi Order hold the enemy fleet at bay, the duo takes the oppurtunity to sneak aboard the Count's capital ship, and make their way to Leia's holding chamber. But as they enter the spacious hall, they are confronted. Not by Ventress, but by the Count himself, rejuvenated by Sith Magic thought to exist only in myth. Armed with his new body, but possessing all of his former power and skill, he meets two lightsabers with one of his own, and prepares to decide the fate of the galaxy. . .

Katarn and Korr should take this I hold Katarn near Dooku's level.

Do you have anything backing this up aside from your opinion?

Well the man was able to kill Jerec with very little training but other than that I just have a feel about him.

I feel the same. Katarn is near equal to Dooku alone. The fact that Jaden defeated Tavion, Ragnos' spirit, dozens/hundreds of Reborn makes me think he is good too.

For Katarn, he was chosen as the head combat instructor in the Jedi Praxeum for a reason. Chosen over people like Kyp, Jacen, and Corran. Now, this doesn't mean he is better than them(Cin Drallig would lose to Mace, Obi-wan, or Yoda), yet is means he is in the same group as them.

Gut instincts don't accomplish anything in debates.

Well Kyle has single-handedly infiltrated Danuta to capture the Death Star plans.

Katarn did go through Jerec, Desann, and a bunch of Reborn troops even when he was vastly outnumbered sometimes 4 to 1. Plus he got more power from the Valley of the Jedi. I think Kyle and Jaden can defeat Dooku.

Well, Dooku has stood up to Yoda and manhandled one of the most coordinated teams in history, one of that duo being potentially the most powerful Jedi ever. Not to mention that he's defeat Mace Windu, Anakin, and Obi-Wan in single combat. (Seperately, of course.) The Count has also led the Battle of Galidraan, and defeated the Mandalorians. Not to mention that he has a good two or three times the combined experience of these two in both Force and dueling practice.

And in this, he is not limited by age. He has the physical form of a twenty-five year old man in prime condition, but with more than eighty years worth of saber and Force knowledge.

I think it could go either way; while they most likely aren't as good a team as Anakin and Obi-Wan, they're close, and are both powerful in their own rights.

Dooku might just force choke then throw Kyle/Jaden like he did with Obi-Wan to even out the duel.

Katarn led several Battle in the Yuuzhan Vong War, and a Vong could probably take a Mandalorian, so Battle of Galidraan doesn't mean much.

He defeated Mace when Mace was maybe 20 years old. This Mace isn't really powerful, maybe inbetween AOTC and ROTS Anakin.

Also, Katarn has something like 25 years of experince, and Jaden has another 10 or so. Dooku has maybe 70 years of major training(things that take a older person longer times to learn. Anakin, because he was older, learned the first two years of Jedi training in less than a month.) Katarn and Jaden have the advantage in the fact that they have BETTER training. They have been fighting wars and learning about that force while at a more capable age(making each day of training more useful than it would be if trained at a younger age) then Dooku.

I like how Glentract assumes that Jaden Korr killed hundreds/dozens of GAME ENEMIES and this somehow attributes to his ability.

Wow, Carth must be leagues above all OT characters then since he can fight hundreds of Sith! Or maybe Luke from ROTJ the game is better since he can fight unlimited storm troopers!

I love how you ride the fence on that argument. Remember the Trayus Academy thread? Somehow the Exile killed only 10 or 12 Sith, but there are still hundreds there.

Also, looking over my last post, I think I should expand upon training when older being more effective then training from birth.

Notice people like Corran, Ulic, and Nomi. They all started their training as adults, yet advanced faster than any child Jedi because their minds are more developed.

Glentract, for the last ****ing time... the argument said IN THE INITAL POST, that the Sith numbered and shown in game in the academy exist for the sole purpose of the argument. Duh. This is not ****ing rocket science.

"Here's the scenario:

All Jedi that were on Geonosis are on Malachor V invading the Trayus Academy, they must fight their way through the Sith Assassins, Marauders, Apprentices, and Lords to get to the center, where the surviving Jedi must take down Darth Traya and Darth Malak. Can they do it?"

Where does it say that?

Glentract, did you play KOTOR II? They have specifically Sith Assassins, Marauders, Lords, etc. in the academy.

What else could it mean? Five sith sitting around and chanting? No.

I'm sorry, I don't see what your getting at.

I know you don't. You also think we can't use movie canon fight scenes as evidence. Put the pipe down, Glentract. It's not rocket science.

How the hell are you getting that every Sith the Exile fought in the game is there, but canonly the Exile only defeated 12?

Uh, because THE ARGUMENT (That's the thread idea we're working with) specifies that there ARE Sith in the ACADEMY. While canonically, he wouldn't have to fight nearly as many. It's a ****ing game, Glentract. Wake up.