Originally posted by stormfront13
oh, i put country, my bad. anyway, if it was wakanda alone, then why is Africa still poor in the marvel universe? why are people still starving? why are people not getting what they need? admit it, we both know that it wasn't only wakanda or else africa would have been the same as it was even before HOM.
Why are you asking these questions? People are starving Marvel U Africa just like they starve in the real world. You want a check up on them? Read the X-men/Black Panther Crossover. Not too many prosperous Africans there. If you paid any attention to Marvel continuity at all you would know that Wakanda is one of the most successful nations on Marvel Earth and the same can't be said for the rest of Africa. Wakanda keeps pretty much everything to itself, that's how it developed and that is what works for them.
no it's not, storms core character plays a huge part in what makes her safe. yes, race may play a small part, but it's not the only thing like you make it out to be. yes, repeated history does have a factor, because we know what would happen. she would lead the team for a while, figure she needs time off to find herself, maybe get another love interest. we know, because it has already happens. it would be boring, to see her go through this again. storm is in the same game as everyone, but she is a very popular character. being a leader is not about it. storm is one of the most popular if not the most popular x-woman right now. she was voted most popular in wizard to people who do read comics, and voted most recognizable to people who don't read comics. the reason that storm didn't have her powers taken away imo is that she is a strong female, she was the x-mens first female leader, she was comics first female leader, she is very popular, her powers are unique.
I didn't say Storm wasn't popular. I said it would be ignorant to think that race didn't play a factor in Storm keeping her powers. I didn't say it was the only reason, but it might as well have been for all the nothing Storm has been doing. Honestly, I can understand why people would get upset over Storm losing her powers. That doesn't mean I think it's fair to all the other characters.
you are trying to make it out as the only reason that storm still has her powers is because she is black, which is not the case. as i have said, it plays a small part, but the reason she has fans is because of her core character. people don't go "omg, she's black, now i like her no matter what". no one is like that.
That was not my intention at all. And I never said people only liked her because she was black.
wolverine called her the leader of the x-men
I said "sole" leader. Is there allowed to be more than one? Obviously Cyclops has been shown making way more executive decisions in the comics than Emma. Did Wolverine say Emma was the "only" leader of the X-men? No.
cyke was the most qualified and expierenced as a leader. no one is saying he is a bad leader, and no one is saying that storm is overall better than cyke. i think your just missinterpreting what i'm trying to say.
I'm not missinterpreting anything. I'm just saying that Storm doesn't mean as much to the X-men than Cyclops.
i did, but did you? he lead the team yes, but to do what? fight the shiar? jean was what saved the universe, not cykes team.
You'd be a fool to not realize that Scott is was one of Jean's main motivating factors.
storm hasn't done anything for anyone? did you even read extreme x-men? my guess is you didn't considering you thought it was the worst comic ever. in extreme alone her team
1)Destroyed a mob, toppled a weapons and drug ring.
2)Saved a race of beings and stopped a war
3) planned an escape,destroyed a 100 mile long tower, and led her team to stop an interdimensional war.
4)led her team to freedom and stopped Bogan.she stopped two wars, one being interdimensional, and saved an entire race of beings. that alone is more than what cyke has done in the past five or so years.
Storm stopped them? Or the X-Treme X-men stopped them? Are you really counting all the time Cyclops was dead too? Why do you only the last five or so years? Because in the long run all that Cyclops has done for the X-men makes Storm's accomplishments look like peanuts? At any rate, it's probably only some months comic time.
paradise X is nothing but a diofferent time-line. cyke has left the x-men before and they got on just fine.
No. You're wrong. PARADISE X ACTUALLY HAPPENED. I'll say it again, it happend. It happend because Cyclops left the X-men. How was it fixed? Phoenix went back in time and fixed it. Read the story arc right after Jean Grey was killed by Xorneto and Cyclops left the X-men. It's continuity, it counts. Without Cyclops the X-men are screwed. Without Storm? Just fine and dandy. The X-men only got along the first time because Professor Xavier was still running the show.
cyke nad storm have different ways of leading, both being very affective. yes, tactically cyke is above storm, we both agree on that. when deciding who is a better leader, i go by A)victories, B)ability to motivate and inspire your team, and C) their role on the mission. in the past 5 years, storm has had more victories, has always been able to motivate her team better. and it was storm who came up with the plans that saved an entire race, and stopped two wars.
That's all personal opinion. How can anyone judge "ability to motivate and inspire your team"? In the long run, Cyclops has more victories and since you agree he is better tactically then you must also agree that his presense leading a mission is much more valuble than Storm's. So going by what made sense of your system, Cyclops is the better leader.
have you even been reading my posts? obviously not. if your not going to read what i ave to say when i'm debating you, then why are you here?
I have been reading your posts. They just arn't coherent enough to get across whatever points you are trying to make. Fact of the matter is, if anyone is ignoring points it's you. *cough Paradise X Ihadtoaskyoutoreplytoitcough*
they went to find destiy's diaries because they were to valuebal to fall into the wrong hands. halfway through the mission, they decided that the diaries were to powerful for anyone to have. good choice seeing as a few people who have read the diaries have gone mad from the information.
Yeah they did a bang up job with that too. Quitting the X-men to find something and then wasting a bunch of time and getting numerous members killed/almost killed(Gambit) for some diaries they decided they didn't want in the first place. Storm created a havoc within the team that they still havn't recovered from. Poor leadership. She made a bad decision, realized it was a bad decision and returned to the team.
yeah, pretty much nothing, you got that, but you must remember, the members of X.S.E are not together anymore, some are at thge mansion, and some on are uncanny, and some just all together quit the x-men. but none of this was storms fault, she can't control a persons actions.
Sage is the only one that quit that i'm aware of. The rest of her team is still at the mansion. You said Storm was a great motivating leader though...too bad she can't even keep her team together...
once again, you twist the story around. storm went to sort out her problems, and save countless lives with her powers. i'd like to see cyke accomplish this.
Save countless lives? You don't think Cyclops has saved countless lives? You do realize there were 90 some odd comics writtin with Cyclops saving lives before Storm even got started right? As for Storm saving countless lives in Africa, she hasn't done anything yet. Cyclops accomplishes that in his sleep. She's just going to Africa to do it with T'Challa.
and with you bringing up astonishing, in recent issues, emma doesn't listen to his leadership and leaves her post exposing his problem, he came up w/ no plan to take down the mega sentinel, he came up w/ no plan to defeat Danger. the man had nothing. That's what his leadership boiled down to. But it was Storm's leadership which came up w/ a plan to save London. That was all her and her team. even in decimation, who predicted sentinals would come after mutants if the all met in one spot? storm, cyke led all the mutants to a trap. yes, some great leadership skills there.
How are you going to blame Emma betraying the X-men and still being in league with the Hellfire club on Cyclops leading? I don't think you've read that issue either. That's ludicrous. It's like blaming Storm for Wolverine going on a rampage and killing Northstar.
There is no trap. Nobody set up a trap.
Getting all together in one place is a defensive manuver. How can you protect a mutant in California when you are based in Westchester? Cyclops made the best decision. I sure am glad you arn't leading the X-men. Cyclops didn't force any mutants to come either. He simply made the institute a refuge where mutants could "choose" to go if they wanted. What place is safer in the world for them right now?
When did Storm save London? I can't find any issue numbers.
Cyclops is the joint that keeps the X-men together. That speaks of his leadership ability compared to Storm's. Without Cyclops, there is no X-men. Paradise X is proof of that. If Storm were a better leader, she would be in charge of the X-men. But she's not, and she abandoned her team. I'm sorry your such a fanboy; but you need to take the blinders off.