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DrDoom101 Last Son of the Sith

Your own BAtman trilogy

If you were directing your own batman trilogy pick three villains to portray in each of em

Mine
1) Ra's Al Ghul and Lady Shiva
2) Scarecrow and Two-Face
3) Joker and Riddler

NoFate007 Senior Member

1. Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow I thought was perfect
2. Two-Face, Firefly and Rupert Thorne
3. The Joker and a brief cameo by someone small like Lock-Up or something, someone nobody really cares about so he can get taken out very early on and just serves sort of as an opening fight.

Doc Ock The Master Planner

Re: Your own BAtman trilogy

Originally posted by DrDoom101
If you were directing your own batman trilogy pick three villains to portray in each of em
Mine
1) Ra's Al Ghul and Lady Shiva
2) Scarecrow and Two-Face
3) Joker and Riddler

Lady Shiva???

You pick the worst villains dude.Seriously I'm glad you ain't doing these movies 😉

1.Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow
2.The Joker and I'd introduce Harvey Dent.
3.Two-Face

Silverstein PSN: IAMTHECAVALRY

Originally posted by NoFate007
...and a brief cameo by someone small like Lock-Up or something, someone nobody really cares about so he can get taken out very early on and just serves sort of as an opening fight.

have a brief cameo of villain like:

-the ventriloquist w/Scar-face - seems to be failry reallistic and would fit in.

Doc Ock The Master Planner

Someone like the Ventriloquist is a very psychologically complex villain.You know the whole two seperate personalities in one mind thing??? It's even worse than Two Face.

I mean you can't just have this old guy pop up with a gangster puppet.He needs a little explanation 😉

Zsasz is simple enough.A sicko who likes to butcher people.That's why he was in Begins.He was simple and needed no big explanations.

NoFate007 Senior Member

Originally posted by Doc Ock
Someone like the Ventriloquist is a very psychologically complex villain.You know the whole two seperate personalities in one mind thing??? It's even worse than Two Face.
I mean you can't just have this old guy pop up with a gangster puppet.He needs a little explanation 😉
Zsasz is simple enough.A sicko who likes to butcher people.That's why he was in Begins.He was simple and needed no big explanations.

Exactly. Zsasz's cameo is something that I really liked, that's what I'm going for here. That's why I mentioned Lock-Up, because he virtually needs no backstory and can just beat down/get beat down and then be...well...locked..up...

Zarathustra Senior Member

Re: Re: Your own BAtman trilogy

Originally posted by Doc Ock
1.Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow
2.The Joker and I'd introduce Harvey Dent.
3.Two-Face

That's about what I'd like, but no Ra's and Scarecrow. First part ideally would be just like Year One: The focus being on Batman and Gordon finding their niche in Gotham, no huge villains aside from Falcone and, depending on the perspective, Batman/Gordon as they are initially on opposite sides of the law. Dent would be introduced here (take that Katie Holmes!).
As for part two, Joker would be fit into the Long Halloween context: emphasis is on the relationship between Gordon, Dent, and Batman working together (and perhaps the love interest in the part od Selina Kyle). The disappearance of Harvey following the attack on him, either by The Joker or some other criminal, (and the failed relationship Bruce Wayne has with Selina) bring Batman to the sad conclusion that he must be alone in his work.
Part three needs to make us happy for Batman again by the tale's end. So while Two-Face will emerge, dark as ever, Batman needs to find he is not alone. To take from Dark Victory now, my proposition (probably unpopular with some) would be to introduce Dick Grayson. Now, while Bruce will take the boy under his wing, and, yes, reveal his identity and train the boy, Robin will not debut. Something just strikes me wrong with a boy of 12 or 13 fighting criminals. In any case, though Harvey is lost Batman finds the companion he can truly work with as he never could with authorities. Big smile! Trilogy's over.

Doc Ock The Master Planner

No villains in the first movie would dramatically decrease the success of your movie.

You'd have to include at least one major villain.

Silverstein PSN: IAMTHECAVALRY

i am unfamiliar with this Zsasz character, explain

The Joker#1 Powerful foe

Re: Your own BAtman trilogy

Originally posted by DrDoom101

Mine
1) Ra's Al Ghul and Lady Shiva
2) Scarecrow and Two-Face
3) Joker and Riddler

Pifflefizz

Bugswallop

1.Ra's and Scarecrow
2.The Joker and Penguin
3.Two Face and Catwoman

The Joker#1 Powerful foe

Originally posted by Silverstein
i am unfamiliar with this Zsasz character, explain

He is a sicko who likes to kill people.And every time he kills someone,he marks himself on his body.

BAILY Senior Member

1. Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow were perfect in the first one
2. Riddler and Clayface
3. Two-Face and Poison Ivy

Zarathustra Senior Member

Originally posted by Doc Ock
No villains in the first movie would dramatically decrease the success of your movie.
You'd have to include at least one major villain.

The Roman (Falcone) is a fine villain: besides, Batman has a whole city against him, that's plenty. Batman fans know Year One, and being a work by Frank Miller it is pretty well regarded. Do you really think that people who weren't already big Batman fans knew or cared who Ra's was? Certainly not. Ra's Al Ghul did not draw crowds to Batman Begins. Batman did.

Silverstein PSN: IAMTHECAVALRY

Originally posted by Zarathustra
The Roman (Falcone) is a fine villain: besides, Batman has a whole city against him, that's plenty. Batman fans know Year One, and being a work by Frank Miller it is pretty well regarded. Do you really think that people who weren't already big Batman fans knew or cared who Ra's was? Certainly not. Ra's Al Ghul did not draw crowds to Batman Begins. Batman did.

and the Joker in the sequel will draw more fans. Why doesnt Spiderman just have the villain be chameleon or vulture? figure out why. Great superheroes need great villains.

Zarathustra Senior Member

Don't buy it. If you're the type of person who wants to see the next Batman movie you're not going to boycott it based on who the villain is. Also, I fail to see how the entire corrupt city of Gotham does not qualify as a decent challenge for a single protagonist.

NoFate007 Senior Member

People need to identify with a villain though. They can't identify with half a town. Yes, that is adequate enough for a challenge, however not a movie challenge. Wouldn't you agree that, technically speaking, Chameleon in Spider-Man would be INSANELY destructive? Systems crumbling and identities being stolen, etc....but nobody wants to see that. Its not exciting. Batman isn't gonna fight Joe Idiot on the side of the road for yelling at him or something. You need an evil person when you're dealing with a character that has such a cool gallery of villains to choose from. Fans would go nuts if you had a Batman movie and didn't even at least count in someone like The Ventriloquist....as bad as that would be for the sole villain.

Silverstein PSN: IAMTHECAVALRY

well said Nofate.

-even when making youre own trilogy, think about what the fans want as well

Mr Parker Senior Member

Re: Re: Your own BAtman trilogy

Originally posted by Doc Ock
Lady Shiva???
You pick the worst villains dude.Seriously I'm glad you ain't doing these movies 😉
1.Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow
2.The Joker and I'd introduce Harvey Dent.
3.Two-Face

Oh I dont know about that.Isnt lady shiva the one with the red outfit? I would love to see her if it is.

Mine are almost the same as yours are.
1.Ra's Al Ghul and scarecrow
2.The Joker and introduce Harvery Dent.
3.two face and penguin.

Silverstein PSN: IAMTHECAVALRY

Re: Re: Your own BAtman trilogy

Originally posted by Doc Ock
Lady Shiva???
You pick the worst villains dude.Seriously I'm glad you ain't doing these movies 😉

😆 that is hilarious!!

Zarathustra Senior Member

Villains don't need to dress up in asinine get-ups to be appealing. Falcone and the other families, crooked Commissioner Loeb and Detective Flass (ex-Green Beret and enforcer, not fat imbecile), fascist zealot/SWAT commander Branden: these are evil men. It's up to the writers to make them appealing and they can be every bit as appealing as Ra's Al Ghul or any other fixture in the rogues gallery. They are just as sympathetic as Ra's because they too can sit down and explain to you why things need to be done their way: and the police on the roster do just that with Jim Gordon. They're the men that tell you you need to accept things the way they are: make your way and suvive in a tough town like Gotham. There's just no way to make a difference. The apathy, the weakness that they try to sell to you might even pass muster if not for two good men standing up and refusing to settle for second rate. These are just the men to stand next to Bruce Wayne and James Gordon. To quote Gordon, they "Showed me what it takes to be a cop [or a hero] in Gotham".
Frankly, if "the fans" don't want that, I pity them their closed mindedness.