War Hulk vs. Darkseid

The OE is a big deciding factor. And it f*cking should be. Obviously without it, Darkseid doesn't have any power advantages over War Hulk. War Hulk proved to be physically strong enough to stop Juggernaut. That alone puts War Hulk leagues over any other top-tier in strength. And Darkseid has none of the advantages that often gives Superman the wins over Hulk, like flying and sh*t. Darkseid, without OE, is really backed into a corner. Keeping in mind that we're still talking about War Hulk, I think Darkseid would get slaughtered without the OE. The only question is if War Hulk can take an OE shot.

DS stomps with or without.

Originally posted by The Nuul
DS stomps with or without.

Wrong

Originally posted by The Nuul
DS stomps with or without.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, if you noticed DD tanked his oe and was just buried beneath some rubble. Ds couldn't mount a counterattack and was beaten to the point of death. DD wasn't even really phased while Darkseid needed Superman's intervention to save his life.

Originally posted by Master Court
The OE is a big deciding factor. And it f*cking should be. Obviously without it, Darkseid doesn't have any power advantages over War Hulk. War Hulk proved to be physically strong enough to stop Juggernaut. That alone puts War Hulk leagues over any other top-tier in strength. And Darkseid has none of the advantages that often gives Superman the wins over Hulk, like flying and sh*t. Darkseid, without OE, is really backed into a corner. Keeping in mind that we're still talking about War Hulk, I think Darkseid would get slaughtered without the OE. The only question is if War Hulk can take an OE shot.

Originally posted by Master Court
War Hulk proved to be physically strong enough to stop Juggernaut. That alone puts War Hulk leagues over any other top-tier in strength.

It wasn't his physical strength that stopped Juggernaut. It was the Celestial tech. Juggernaut could have been pushing an adamantium statue all over the place and it wouldn't buckle or stop him. The ground could never support War even if he somehow had the physical strength to override the enchantment.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Darkside needs the OE to win a fight? Since when? He can shoot beams strong enough out of his hands to beat most top guys. He has telepathic powers and he can fly.

Dude, Darkseid can totally scrap. I'm just saying, in my opinion, that against War Hulk in particular, the OE is the deciding factor. I know War Hulk only fought a few people, but he pwned Juggernaut and made it look easy.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
It wasn't his physical strength that stopped Juggernaut. It was the Celestial tech. Juggernaut could have been pushing an adamantium statue all over the place and it wouldn't buckle or stop him. The ground could never support War even if he somehow had the physical strength to override the enchantment.

Well, yeah, everyone in the f*cking world knows Hulk was amped with the tech. But we're not saying "Hulk with Celestial tech versus Darkseid." It's simply "War Hulk", which implies the tech as well. Pointing out the tech doesn't make a f*cking bit of difference. War Hulk stopped Juggernaut. That statement is true. Besides, it really sounded like that tech wouldn't have worked on anyone except Hulk. Apoc pretty much confirms that when he mentions that Hulk's capacity for infinite energy would give him, through the tech, the power to challenge the Celestial's themselves. So if we wanted to argue about the use of the tech, we could easily equate it with any GL and their ring, as only a particular GL can use their ring. Basically it would mean that Hulk stopping Juggernaut with the tech is a-okay, because it was still Hulk's own merits and power that allowed him to use the tech, same as it's the GL's own mental strength and merits that allow them to use the rings. But you don't say it was the ring. You say it was Kyle, or John, or Guy, etc. War Hulk beat up Juggernaut and stopped him. Seeing as how even Thor failed to do that, War Hulk, even more than WWHulk, is so obviously above top-tier. Saying "Darkseid wins hands down 10/10 no prob" is just ridiculous. When Superman is knocking him out like a gangsta kicking someone out their hood, Darkseid doesn't look so hot.

Originally posted by Master Court
Well, yeah, everyone in the f*cking world knows Hulk was amped with the tech. But we're not saying "Hulk with Celestial tech versus Darkseid." It's simply "War Hulk", which implies the tech as well. Pointing out the tech doesn't make a f*cking bit of difference. War Hulk stopped Juggernaut. That statement is true. Besides, it really sounded like that tech wouldn't have worked on anyone except Hulk. Apoc pretty much confirms that when he mentions that Hulk's capacity for infinite energy would give him, through the tech, the power to challenge the Celestial's themselves. So if we wanted to argue about the use of the tech, we could easily equate it with any GL and their ring, as only a particular GL can use their ring. Basically it would mean that Hulk stopping Juggernaut with the tech is a-okay, because it was still Hulk's own merits and power that allowed him to use the tech, same as it's the GL's own mental strength and merits that allow them to use the rings. But you don't say it was the ring. You say it was Kyle, or John, or Guy, etc. War Hulk beat up Juggernaut and stopped him. Seeing as how even Thor failed to do that, War Hulk, even more than WWHulk, is so obviously above top-tier. Saying "Darkseid wins hands down 10/10 no prob" is just ridiculous. When Superman is knocking him out like a gangsta kicking someone out their hood, Darkseid doesn't look so hot.

This is really irrelevant to my post. I replied to the line, "physically strong enough...". It wasn't a physical asset that allowed him to stop Juggernaut. It was the Celestial energy that allowed him to. You can't physically stop Juggernaut, it has to be some sort of magic or energy. I know that War Hulk includes the upgrades that Apocalypse gave him.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
This is really irrelevant to my post. I replied to the line, "physically strong enough...". It wasn't a physical asset that allowed him to stop Juggernaut. It was the Celestial energy that allowed him to. You can't physically stop Juggernaut, it has to be some sort of magic or energy. I know that War Hulk includes the upgrades that Apocalypse gave him.

Well... yeah... so... what's your favorite color?

Green.

No wait, Blue.

Red.

You thought it'd be green because of all the Hulk sh*t, right?

Give Darkseid his blast, he wins 10/10, without it, this is a none fight, War Hulk would CRUSH him without too much trouble. The guy one handed a pyramid.

Originally posted by Master Court
Red.

You thought it'd be green because of all the Hulk sh*t, right?

Honestly I haven't thought about it. On a side note, I just got done playing the Left 4 Dead 2 demo. Good stuff.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Honestly I haven't thought about it. On a side note, I just got done playing the Left 4 Dead 2 demo. Good stuff.

I'm downloading it as I'm typing this.

Originally posted by carver9
Give Darkseid his blast, he wins 10/10, without it, this is a none fight, War Hulk would CRUSH him without too much trouble. The guy one handed a pyramid.

DS has manhandled characters that have one handed way more than Pyramids.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
DS has manhandled characters that have one handed way more than Pyramids.

Savage Hulk's manhandled Thor, and Thor whipped the Midgard Serpent off the Earth like it were a fish or something.

War Hulk manhandled Juggernaut, and Juggernaut has manhandled Thor.

Gladiator has manhandled Juggernaut, and Hulk has manhandled Gladiator.

With all this manhandling going on, it all kinda makes things relative. They all kinda share their feats when they beat each other up. Like Hulk and Thor's famous stalemate kinda lets Hulk borrow the Midgard Serpent feats, and lets Thor borrow the Onslaught armor punch. Regardless if it's the Celestial energy that let Hulk stop Juggernaut, Hulk's still got the tech. So if War Hulk can stop Juggernaut, that puts his strength(mystically assisted or not) at way above top-tier, and easily dwarfs these feats.

Originally posted by Master Court
Savage Hulk's manhandled Thor, and Thor whipped the Midgard Serpent off the Earth like it were a fish or something.

War Hulk manhandled Juggernaut, and Juggernaut has manhandled Thor.

Gladiator has manhandled Juggernaut, and Hulk has manhandled Gladiator.

With all this manhandling going on, it all kinda makes things relative. They all kinda share their feats when they beat each other up. Like Hulk and Thor's famous stalemate kinda lets Hulk borrow the Midgard Serpent feats, and lets Thor borrow the Onslaught armor punch. Regardless if it's the Celestial energy that let Hulk stop Juggernaut, Hulk's still got the tech. So if War Hulk can stop Juggernaut, that puts his strength(mystically assisted or not) at way above top-tier, and easily dwarfs these feats.