^If you're going from handbooks, you're way off. Venom is about class 40 or 50. Class 12 just doesn't even sound right. Venom and Namor are similar in two respects:
They don't get any respect.
They don't contradict handbooks. Handbooks contradict them. (Yay for Darkcrawler! 😄 )
Wolverine's superior fighting skills aren't going to help him in a fight with Venom. That's like saying Captain America's shield can help in a fight with Venom. You can overload the symbiote with damage, but Juggernaut couldn't even do that.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
since wolverine can't be even class1 and venom was class 20-25 after he absorbed carnage his strenght has doubled
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=46c6f3d71tg.jpg
Wolverines old stats.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpg
This pic speaks for it self.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpg
Lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg
Wolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpg
Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsroughhouse6bd.jpg
wolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeat9oj.jpg
wolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherstrengthfeat7pr.jpg
Death wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherwolverinestrengthfeat9n.gif
since my printer is broken I can only get scan already on my computer so here are comic issue numbers of a few more feats of strength.
In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.
In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.
In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.
In ( Wolverine #44) wolverine runs through a wall of rocks and boulders like it nothing.
In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.
In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.
I have more strength feats proving he is above captain America by a good amount but here are some of them.
Trash dumpster sight
http://www.fac.unc.edu/OWRRGuidelines/?Topic=Vehicle
Here a list of a few of wolverines feats.
AGILITY and REFLEX FEATS not all but some
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) Has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl , dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lazers.
(x-men #103) wolverine show some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
(Wolverine #134) wolverine defeats a good amount of heros.
(Daredevil man with out fear! Vs Wolverine #249) wolverine dodges bush wacker machine gun firer well running at him.
These are not all of the battles wolverine has had with high strength level people but they are some of them. Also these are just pieces of the fights but as u can see wolverine takes on many high strength level people that are many times the strength of cage and takes there hits quite fine.
Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinen20p132qn.jpg
Wolverine vs Grey hulk in hulk 340. wolverine takes quite a few this from hulk and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logan20vs20fixit47fk.jpg
here another fight wolverine had with a class 100 and came out on top. Wolverine takes in this fight with ba’al quite a good amount of hits and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t6xn.jpg
wolverine vs wendigo who is a class 100 and is taking hit quite fine.
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w27dd.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w36yd.jpg
death wolverine vs. hulk and as u can see hulk hitting him aint stopping him.
http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smash2vn.jpg
wolverine vs namor
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvswolv40oq7fl.gif
wolverine has a fist fight with calabain.
http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsh8qz.jpg
wolverine getting hit by a dude who most likely over a 100 feet tall. Wolverine not only fine, he even making a joke about it an attacking right away.
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ireallylikebeer1ak.jpg
so what so good about beating carnage?
Originally posted by capt it up
actuly wolverine over class 1
also please use sources and not just talk out of ur ass.
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states that Wolverine's strength is enhanced human.” Quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolverine_(comics)/Archive_2http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=46c6f3d71tg.jpg
Wolverines old stats.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpgThis pic speaks for it self.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpgLifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpgWolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpgWolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsroughhouse6bd.jpgwolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeat9oj.jpgwolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherstrengthfeat7pr.jpgDeath wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherwolverinestrengthfeat9n.gifsince my printer is broken I can only get scan already on my computer so here are comic issue numbers of a few more feats of strength.
In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.
In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.
In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.
In ( Wolverine #44) wolverine runs through a wall of rocks and boulders like it nothing.
In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.
In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.
I have more strength feats proving he is above captain America by a good amount but here are some of them.
Trash dumpster sight
http://www.fac.unc.edu/OWRRGuidelines/?Topic=Vehicle
Here a list of a few of wolverines feats.
AGILITY and REFLEX FEATS not all but some
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) Has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl , dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lazers.
(x-men #103) wolverine show some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
(Wolverine #134) wolverine defeats a good amount of heros.
(Daredevil man with out fear! Vs Wolverine #249) wolverine dodges bush wacker machine gun firer well running at him.These are not all of the battles wolverine has had with high strength level people but they are some of them. Also these are just pieces of the fights but as u can see wolverine takes on many high strength level people that are many times the strength of cage and takes there hits quite fine.
Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinen20p132qn.jpgWolverine vs Grey hulk in hulk 340. wolverine takes quite a few this from hulk and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logan20vs20fixit47fk.jpghere another fight wolverine had with a class 100 and came out on top. Wolverine takes in this fight with ba’al quite a good amount of hits and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t6xn.jpgwolverine vs wendigo who is a class 100 and is taking hit quite fine.
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w27dd.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w36yd.jpgdeath wolverine vs. hulk and as u can see hulk hitting him aint stopping him.
http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smash2vn.jpgwolverine vs namor
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvswolv40oq7fl.gifwolverine has a fist fight with calabain.
http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsh8qz.jpgwolverine getting hit by a dude who most likely over a 100 feet tall. Wolverine not only fine, he even making a joke about it an attacking right away.
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ireallylikebeer1ak.jpgso what so good about beating carnage?
Way back in uncanny he broke through some "unbreakable restraints" not sure the issue... its the one where find out Wolverine's claws are housed in his forearms not part of his gloves.
I dont have my comic collection with me right now... do you have a scan of it?
OMG let the useless clatter begin..................2/3 of the things you posted are subjective on what they mean ie you are giving them the value you feel is right.
The 1/3 that is right is the actual picture.........................you tell people to not use sources "tainted" by fans you need to follow your own rule.
Now once again let the ramblings ensue!
Originally posted by soleran30
OMG let the useless clatter begin..................2/3 of the things you posted are subjective on what they mean ie you are giving them the value you feel is right.The 1/3 that is right is the actual picture.........................you tell people to not use sources "tainted" by fans you need to follow your own rule.
Now once again let the ramblings ensue!
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Way back in uncanny he broke through some "unbreakable restraints" not sure the issue... its the one where find out Wolverine's claws are housed in his forearms not part of his gloves.I dont have my comic collection with me right now... do you have a scan of it?
Originally posted by soleran30
Yes they are and so is my spelling ✅Eddie Brock venom type would smash wolverine so badly its sick...............................Scorpion Venom would also
I don't understand how dudes like Wolverine8888 say that Logan can beat venom, or spiderman for that matter, or say that he is better equiped than spidey, i know spidey is somewhere like class 10-15 right? and has far superior speed and intellegence and agility, mobility and has long range weapons(webs) right? i don't see how wolverine can even stand up to spiderman, in my opinion bad writting is the only way that Logan can beat either venom or spiderman, can one of the wolverine fanbo...er i mean someone who knows ALOT about wolverine tell me his strenght level? or some of his speed feats that would even allow him to keep up to venom or spidey, personally i think wolverine beating spiderman or venom is like spiderman beating firelord, It just shouldn't have happened
Super well no matter what you think if you learn anything from this post its simple.
The spellcheck is 2 buttons to the right of submit reply.
I don't use pics with you because in the past I busted out real life information and you would what if dumpsters, sharks everything that don't mean jack.
Venom destroys Spiderman..............Wolverine isn't a match for Venom. I just don't want to link my personal fanfavorites like you did with speculation. LOL but I can post links and pics from the respect Venom thread easy enough.
Originally posted by Whiteclipse
I don't understand how dudes like Wolverine8888 say that Logan can beat venom, or spiderman for that matter, or say that he is better equiped than spidey, i know spidey is somewhere like class 10-15 right? and has far superior speed and intellegence and agility, mobility and has long range weapons(webs) right? i don't see how wolverine can even stand up to spiderman, in my opinion bad writting is the only way that Logan can beat either venom or spiderman, can one of the wolverine fanbo...er i mean someone who knows ALOT about wolverine tell me his strenght level? or some of his speed feats that would even allow him to keep up to venom or spidey, personally i think wolverine beating spiderman or venom is like spiderman beating firelord, It just shouldn't have happened
Originally posted by soleran30
Super well no matter what you think if you learn anything from this post its simple.The spellcheck is 2 buttons to the right of submit reply.
I don't use pics with you because in the past I busted out real life information and you would what if dumpsters, sharks everything that don't mean jack.
Venom destroys Spiderman..............Wolverine isn't a match for Venom. I just don't want to link my personal fanfavorites like you did with speculation. LOL but I can post links and pics from the respect Venom thread easy enough.
"I don't use pics with you because in the past I busted out real life information and you would what if dumpsters, sharks everything that don't mean jack."
u say they dont eman jack yet u have yet to disprove a dam thing. also when have u ever busted out any thing. real life info? I listed sights that said the weight of the dumpster and the shark and u have done nuthingt but ignor it
See I recall those discussions about both the shark and the dumpster since I was a part of both of them. I remember how tedious discussions with you became after having to constantly bring real life information about sharks and such to the discussion. Explaining real life numbers so you could at least slow down your subjective fan fest about Wolverine being a five tonner.
In summary there isn't anything Wolverine can do that would stop or even slow down Venom. Its a comic fact you prove to me Wolverine could do otherwise...................here's a hint though since venom has taken shots from Juggs and laughed I doubt someone that can throw a shark on a boat has what it takes to hurt him.
