I for one am glad the writers have decided to make up a somewhat original story line with un-original characters. I think if they stuck to a certain comic plot, pandamonium would hit the streets in the form of comic nerds wielding their collectibles. I would never want to get struck in the temple with a Venom bust, too many sharp edges would surely kill me.
Venom fans have such fragile egos. Say one negative thing about Venom, and they take it like you're insulting their family or something 😄 [/B]
Um doc your response to all this is no better. If someone hits you , you hit back right? however you original intent with your pessimistic opinions was clearly seen by many readers. And once you see this, you do what any egotistic fan boy does, justifys it with even more bogus excuses. You knew like any of us who have common sense , that the picture was not the full version of venom. Yet you get all worked up like someone who assumed it was, and insatiate you remain. People are so ready to counter your posts , because they already expect you to say something narcissistic. Like i said before, no one is here to meet your pety standards.
You might just be in the wrong here, and i think you came to this specific forum knowing that. You hate venom, and you were looking for a fight wernt you. Use your head , you knew damn well what the content of this picture was after seeing it. Dont play stupid . Its a teaser poster, ment to tease fans who know who venom is. You will all see what venom looks like in the next trailer. And from what i read, they arnt leaveing venom to open a possible 4th movie. Hes actually going to be doing some fighting.
Originally posted by Altar[1stONE]
Um doc your response to all this is no better. If someone hits you , you hit back right?
Indeed I do.
however you original intent with your pessimistic opinions was clearly seen by many readers. And once you see this, you do what any egotistic fan boy does, justifys it with even more bogus excuses.
Not liking it because it's not a proper pic of Venom is bogus??
I think not. I don't have to justify why I dislike it. I chose to state that I do. And then a bunch of cry babies attack me like I just insulted their mothers.
It really is quite amusing 😄
You knew like any of us who have common sense , that the picture was not the full version of venom. Yet you get all worked up like someone who assumed it was, and insatiate you remain.
I knew when I saw it that it was not a pic of Venom. The thread title was misleading.
As for me getting worked up, look at some of the posts in here, like the Muffinman guy's. Now that's worked up.
I merely showed my dissatisfaction for the pic. It's unimpressive to me.
Don't like that?? Well tough. I'm not going to stop voicing what I think. Like it or lump it.
People are so ready to counter your posts , because they already expect you to say something narcissistic. Like i said before, no one is here to meet your pety standards.
Petty standards??
Wanting a proper pic of venom instead of a half assed pic of Topher half covered in black ooze is petty??
LOL! I guess some people are happy with any old crap that's shoveled at them 😄
You might just be in the wrong here, and i think you came to this specific forum knowing that.
Wrong over what??
Disliking the pic?? How is that wrong??
Please explain this coherently. I am fascinated to know the mentality behind that ridiculous remark.
You hate venom
No I don't.
I hate Topher Grace as Venom.
and you were looking for a fight wernt you
Not at all.
Use your head , you knew damn well what the content of this picture was after seeing it.
Yes I did. And I posted what I thought of it. What's that got to do with anything??
The sensitive fan boys just didn't like that someone dissed their precious Venom.
Dont play stupid
You should take your own advice. I've done nothing wrong here except unintentionally ruffle the feathers of a few egotistical fanboys.
Its a teaser poster, ment to tease fans who know who venom is.
I know exactly what it is.
You will all see what venom looks like in the next trailer.
Oh be still my heart.
But I've already seen Venom. Bootleg footage from Comic Con was leaked on-line 😉
And from what i read, they arnt leaveing venom to open a possible 4th movie. Hes actually going to be doing some fighting.
Yeah I know that.
I also know they intend to kill him off at the end. But the symbiote survives.
LMAO you responded exactly as i predicted you would, you're a walking contradiction doc ock, i think you are the only one who believes your own bs. But ill respect the fact that everyone has their opinions (even yours doc), good or bad. And yeah sorry for straying off topic, this isnt a bash forum. But i already said how i felt on all this, im not going to change or clairify it for stubborn people.
wait a minute..what's going on here? i mean most of you shout in disapproval how crappy the pic is and as a result how crappy the movie's gonna turn out...
it's just like you're looking at a mere wheel bolt and say how crappy the car's going to be...you see i was a car mechanic and i held a lot of wheel bolts in me hand but not even i could pull that of...
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Careful Silverstein, they'll jump on you next for dissing it 😉And yes, I can agree that it's a bad teaser.
i dont know whats gotten into people lately.
Yeah, it is a BAD pic lol, people are taking in whatever crap taste of the so called "Venom" that sony is dishing out, dont you agree?
as long as its remotely close to Venom, or a Symbiote, it's an automatic 10/10 score to those rabid Venomfaboys.
haha i couldnt care less if they jump of me next lol, and for a fact, i know that you like the spider-man movies, i dunno where they find the info to call you a 'walking contradiction' 😕
Originally posted by Altar[1stONE]
LMAO you responded exactly as i predicted you would
I'd rather be predictable than be voiceless about my opinions.
you're a walking contradiction doc ock
I'd tell you what you are, but I'm too much of a gentleman 😉
i think you are the only one who believes your own bs.
Clearly not, since I'm not the only one here who dislikes the teaser 😉
But ill respect the fact that everyone has their opinions (even yours doc), good or bad.
Thanks.
But really, I'm not here for other people's approval of my opinions. It's a sad day when someone cares or get's worked up over a few comic book geek's opinions about a movie 😄
And yeah sorry for straying off topic, this isnt a bash forum.
You should tell that to Alpha Centauri and the rest of the motley crew 😉
But i already said how i felt on all this, im not going to change or clairify it for stubborn people.
Likewise 😉
Originally posted by Silverstein
haha i couldnt care less if they jump of me next lol, and for a fact, i know that you like the spider-man movies, i dunno where they find the info to call you a 'walking contradiction' 😕
They make up stupid BS to try and back up their petty and unwarranted attacks.
They should look at the 'Sam Raimi is a idiot' thread, and see who the REAL haters are.
Stick to your guns Silverstein. Don't follow the masses just because it seems "cool".
Originally posted by Silverstein
i dont know whats gotten into people lately.Yeah, it is a BAD pic lol, people are taking in whatever crap taste of the so called "Venom" that sony is dishing out, dont you agree?
as long as its remotely close to Venom, or a Symbiote, it's an automatic 10/10 score to those rabid Venomfaboys.
Oh sorry, forgot to respond to this bit.
Oh yes indeed I do agree. Just look at this thread. I say I don't like the pic, then a slew of fan boys are on me like flies on sh1t.
I know Raimi is not a fan of Venom, but damn if he's going to use him at least hire an actor that looks like him, like he did with the other villains.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Oh sorry, forgot to respond to this bit.Oh yes indeed I do agree. Just look at this thread. I say I don't like the pic, then a slew of fan boys are on me like flies on sh1t.
I know Raimi is not a fan of Venom, but damn if he's going to use him at least hire an actor that looks like him, like he did with the other villains.
yeah, whats his name Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina were spot on 😎
its pointless if they have Brock become a mirror of Parker, since none of the previous movies have anything from the Ultimate Universe, Not to mention Peter already has his twin. His Good side and his Bad side(influenced by symbiote).
Originally posted by Silverstein
yeah, whats his name Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina were spot on 😎
Yeah, they were great.
At least they each got a whole movie to themselves.
its pointless if they have Brock become a mirror of Parker, since none of the previous movies have anything from the Ultimate Universe, Not to mention Peter already has his twin. His Good side and his Bad side(influenced by symbiote).
Venom can be the evil Spider-Man. He doesn't have to be the same bloody size as him though. That's one thing that worked for Brock in the comics. Even without the symbiote he was like this big intimidating guy.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I know Raimi is not a fan of Venom, but damn if he's going to use him at least hire an actor that looks like him, like he did with the other villains.
that's what i thought
Topher Grace is too scrawny
and too funny
can he really pull off the role of being hell bent on revenge????
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Oh shut your stupid face you trolling moron and actually read what I was saying. This thread is called the first pic of Venom yes?? That's not Venom
I'm gonna have to ask you to calm down, Miss. This isn't a bash forum, right? Walking contradiction evidence, ho.
Now, what exactly is your problem? Would you prefer if the thread title was "First pic of Topher Grace and the symbiote."? Are you seriously that anally obsessive with things? Everyone knows what the thread title means. It's not Venom, it's Brock becoming Venom.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I am not impressed because it's not Venom. I want to see what Venom looks like, not Topher half covered in the black ooze. The pic does not impress me.
Because he's changing into Venom quite clearly isn't he?
You say the fanboys are sickening, but the only people worse than those who accept everything are those who will accept nothing. Nothing is ever going to be good enough for you, ever. The irony is, you like Doc Ock, and I could pick out many things about him that are straying from the comic, but I don't, because he was great as Doc Ock.
If Venom is shit in the movie, I will come here and say he's shit. I don't care either way, but you seem intent on dissing everything just because you got proven wrong.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Sorry if that bothers your fragile ego. I am not impressed with it. You like it?? Great. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Though that treasure needs to be buried and replaced with a decent pic of Venom 😉
Why? Why should Sony even bother? Nobody in the world can seemingly satisfy your idea of what Venom should be.
You are so hung up on stick-up-ass technicalities of such things as a thread title, that you forget to wait and see what it's like.
Topher isn't going to be walking around with his face showing, and that proves the further irony. You say the fanboys lap everything up, when all you do is see one pic and assume that it's the gospel.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
That's one thing that worked for Brock in the comics. Even without the symbiote he was like this big intimidating guy.
I agree there, but the fact of the matter is, they need someone who can PLAY the role. If he looks good enough and plays an awesome part, what's to be argued about? Would you rather have Brock Lesner, who's name is Brock, who looks like Eddie Brock, who's built like Eddie Brock, but probably couldn't act his way out of a bag? I don't think you would.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm gonna have to ask you to calm down, Miss. This isn't a bash forum, right? Walking contradiction evidence, ho.
Listen Miss, you are the one who came in here and started calling ME names FIRST.
So if anyone is a walking contradiction, it's you ho.
Now, what exactly is your problem? Would you prefer if the thread title was "First pic of Topher Grace and the symbiote."? Are you seriously that anally obsessive with things? Everyone knows what the thread title means. It's not Venom, it's Brock becoming Venom.
Everyone knows after looking at the actual pic that it's not Venom. Hind sight is a great thing isn't it. Secondly, as a teaser, I don't find it impressive.
Ock's was impressive, as it showed him in all his glory. So did Green Goblin's. Even Sandman's gave a big spoiler away about him.
This is a nothing. Topher half covered in a symbiote. A big fat meh when you compare it to the other villain ones.
That's my problem.
Because he's changing into Venom quite clearly isn't he?
Changing yes. It's not actually Venom there, as I was expecting to see.
You say the fanboys are sickening
No, I said some of the hyper sensitive fan boys in here are sickening. Look at how you reacted to a negative remark about a bloody movie teaser.
Sad.
but the only people worse than those who accept everything are those who will accept nothing.
I agree. Fortunately I'm not one of those people.
Nothing is ever going to be good enough for you, ever. The irony is, you like Doc Ock, and I could pick out many things about him that are straying from the comic, but I don't, because he was great as Doc Ock.
Thanks for the analysis Dr Freud.
But like with everything else you've said, you're dead wrong. As others have contested above, I like the Spider-Man movies, and have never been a hater of them.
They have their flaws like every movie. But they are still great movies. And I've never said otherwise.
Here Dr Freud. Use that wonderful psycho analysis of yours on the REAL haters in here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f47/t410907.html
If Venom is shit in the movie, I will come here and say he's shit.
So will I.
I don't care either way, but you seem intent on dissing everything just because you got proven wrong.
Proven wrong on what??
Oh no, I didn't think Venom was going to be in the movie. Heaven help me. How shall I ever show my face in public again?? 🙄
Why? Why should Sony even bother? Nobody in the world can seemingly satisfy your idea of what Venom should be.
Listen sunshine. Drop the psycho analysis of me ok. You don't know jack s*** about me.
I want a Venom that actually resembles comic book Venom. Like Dafoe, Molina and Church resemble their villains. Topher Grace looks nothing like Brock.
Capeesh??
You are so hung up on stick-up-ass technicalities of such things as a thread title, that you forget to wait and see what it's like.
Wow it's like you can see into my soul. You should co-host Dr Phil.
I'm not hung up on any technicalities. The thread said it's a pic of Venom. It's not a pic of Venom. That's not a technicality. That's a fact.
Topher isn't going to be walking around with his face showing, and that proves the further irony. You say the fanboys lap everything up, when all you do is see one pic and assume that it's the gospel.
What the hell are you talking about??
The gospel about what?? It is what it is. It's not a proper pic of Venom. I never stated it was anything else. So what the hell are you on about??
Do you people like fabricating BS to try and strengthen your weak arguements??
I agree there, but the fact of the matter is, they need someone who can PLAY the role.
Yeah, and we all know that it would be impossible to find an actor of adequate size who can act as well 🙄
If he looks good enough and plays an awesome part, what's to be argued about?
But he doesn't look good enough. Not with what we've seen. He doesn't look like Brock. Maybe he'll look good as a CGI Venom.
But as Brock, he looks nothing like him. Simple as that.
Would you rather have Brock Lesner, who's name is Brock, who looks like Eddie Brock, who's built like Eddie Brock, but probably couldn't act his way out of a bag? I don't think you would.-AC
I want an actor who looks the part and can act. Is that too much to ask?? I mean they gave it to us with the other villains.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Listen Miss, you are the one who came in here and started calling ME names FIRST.So if anyone is a walking contradiction, it's you ho.
I called you "names"? Proof please. Also, I wasn't calling you a "ho", I was saying ho as in the noise. I'd never call anyone a "ho", it just sounds stupid. Either way, you said it's not a bash forum, despite bashing. So at least have the consistency to not bash.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Everyone knows after looking at the actual pic that it's not Venom. Hind sight is a great thing isn't it. Secondly, as a teaser, I don't find it impressive.
That's perfectly fine if you don't find it impressive, I'm not trying to make you agree, I'm trying to get your point here. It's not Venom, how isn't it? Please clarify to me why you believe it's not Venom, as I don't want to misinterpret you here.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Ock's was impressive, as it showed him in all his glory. So did Green Goblin's. Even Sandman's gave a big spoiler away about him.
What in the hell are you going on about? The teaser POSTERS? You don't seem to have a sensible point. You don't like Venom's teaser poster, so therefore you are entirely rubbishing the idea of Venom? I think you're bitter because you tried saying he wouldn't be in it.
How did Ock's poster show him in all his "glory"? Standing there looking back, big deal. Green Goblin? What glory? The only intimidating and formidable thing about those villains is that they are well known. At least there's an element of evocative presense in the Venom one. I still don't get why you're making such a big deal about a damn poster. You seem to have a problem with everything.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
This is a nothing. Topher half covered in a symbiote. A big fat meh when you compare it to the other villain ones.That's my problem.
There have been many comic covers of Brock half covered in the symbiote, it's showing him changing. I honestly don't see why your life has been shattered by it. Jesus, man. You give comics fans a bad name, no wonder many people think we're all geeks with no life. So you don't like the poster, big deal. Fine. Why are you now slating Sony and the Venom's chances in the movie because you dislike the poster?
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Changing yes. It's not actually Venom there, as I was expecting to see.
So it's Sony's fault because you expected to see Venom? That's a bit retarded.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
No, I said some of the hyper sensitive fan boys in here are sickening. Look at how you reacted to a negative remark about a bloody movie teaser.
I didn't react in defense of the movie, I reacted in amazement at the way YOU reacted. I don't care less if you like it or not, man. You have the freedom of expression and I'll defend your right to that, but the things you are getting pissed about are just so damn petty. You're pissed because Sony didn't reveal Venom, can you blame them? With people like you out there, it'd take one look and you'd say "OH NO! THAT'S NOT VENOM FROM THE COMICS!".
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I agree. Fortunately I'm not one of those people.
True, the only thing worse than the people who will accept nothing are those who will only accept that which is impossibly catered to their wishes. That's what you are.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
But like with everything else you've said, you're dead wrong. As others have contested above, I like the Spider-Man movies, and have never been a hater of them.They have their flaws like every movie. But they are still great movies. And I've never said otherwise.
Here Dr Freud. Use that wonderful psycho analysis of yours on the REAL haters in here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f47/t410907.html
Ok, you like the movies, well done. How very noble of you. That doesn't retract from the fact that you are reacting pathetically, for nonsensical reasons, to a poster. Dude, you dislike the poster, fine, why write Venom off though? YOU expected Venom, that's your fault.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
So will I.
Yes, but the difference is, I'll be going in there with neutral expectations. You clearly already have negative opinions of him that you'll carry with you. It wouldn't surprise me if you come out of the theatre and say you hated Venom, if only because you don't want to go back on your claims.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Proven wrong on what??
Have you forgotten how rabidly you contested that Venom wasn't surely going to be in the movie? Everyone was saying "Topher will be Venom". It was painfully obvious, everybody knew it.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Oh no, I didn't think Venom was going to be in the movie. Heaven help me. How shall I ever show my face in public again?? 🙄
If you simply didn't believe he would, fine, but you actually criticised and berated people for claiming he would be, for believing he would be, without the word of Sony. They were right.
The irony is, you like Sony when they agree with you, dislike them when they make a teaser that isn't to your liking.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I want a Venom that actually resembles comic book Venom. Like Dafoe, Molina and Church resemble their villains. Topher Grace looks nothing like Brock.Capeesh??
Do I need to go grab a picture of Norman Osborn and show you how much he DOESN'T look like Dafoe, or how much Doc Ock doesn't look like Molina? I'll admit, Sandman is almost spot on. What does it matter? If Topher makes up for not being massive by turning in a great performance, why will it matter? Would you overlook a great performance just because he isn't a mountain of muscle? It's hardly Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut (Now that is bad casting, if anything).
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I'm not hung up on any technicalities. The thread said it's a pic of Venom. It's not a pic of Venom. That's not a technicality. That's a fact.
Yes, and? It's also a technicality that you are getting hung up on. You're getting disappointed because someone labelled the pic as Venom rather than "Topher transforming into Venom". You know what the thread started means, but you chose to focus on the technicality because as I have claimed, you always find something to complain about. Rather than saying "Oh, he/she meant Topher transforming, I get it.", you went mental. Although technically, it's only his face that's uncovered, the rest of his body is inside the suit. How many times has Brock removed the head in the comics? Many.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
What the hell are you talking about??The gospel about what?? It is what it is. It's not a proper pic of Venom. I never stated it was anything else. So what the hell are you on about??
Do you people like fabricating BS to try and strengthen your weak arguements??
You seem to have it in for Venom in this movie just because he doesn't look to your requirements, this pic further proves that. Rather than reserving all judgement until you see the movie, you've already pulled back the hammer, it would seem. Topher is obviously going to have the mask/head when he's fully transformed isn't he? He may very well look awesome, he may not. Why don't you just wait and see?
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Yeah, and we all know that it would be impossible to find an actor of adequate size who can act as well 🙄
Being able to literally act and being a fitting actor for the part are two different ball parks. If a drummer leaves a band after 20 years, there are many drummers who can literally play well enough to replace him, but it doesn't matter for shit if they don't "fit" into the band in other areas, does it?
The same applies to Venom/Topher. Why get someone who looks perfect by acts "ok", when you can have someone who looks ok and obviously acts well enough for Sam Raimi to cast him?
Originally posted by Doc Ock
But he doesn't look good enough. Not with what we've seen. He doesn't look like Brock. Maybe he'll look good as a CGI Venom.
He doesn't look like Brock of the comics, no, but it could still come off extremely well from the opposites angle. He looks remarkably like Parker, he could pull of the evil side extremely well. Lets hope he does. I love Venom, I don't want to see a shit movie Venom in any way, I hope it works just as much as you, but I'm willing to give it a bit more or a chance. When I first heard that Spidey would be CGI, I wasn't even going to see the movie, I went in and came out thrilled. Just don't be so eager to crush the idea. Sam Raimi hasn't gone far wrong yet.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
But as Brock, he looks nothing like him. Simple as that.
If he captures the ATTITUDE of Brock, that's what matters.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I want an actor who looks the part and can act. Is that too much to ask?? I mean they gave it to us with the other villains.
I'm sure every director wants the perfect person to play their parts, dude. The fact is, sometimes you have to settle for someone who has as many pluses you can get. Topher might have it all except the muscles, is that so bad? Not in my opinion.
-AC
That looks lame. It looks like as if a big blot from the blob is eating him. Too many villains in this flick. Like that old saying..."too many cooks spoil the soup".
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