I like this pic, because I've taken it with a grain of salt. Doc Ock, I think you need to let go of the idea that you thought you'd get a Venom pic in this thread.
Clearly, this isn't Venom. You said yourself that you weren't impressed because it wasn't Venom. I mean, this isn't even a teaser poster. It's an internet wallpaper designed to amp up some more interest for the movie.
The picture isn't the best or most convincing pic ever, but it's okay. They are still working on the movie people, and knowing Raimi he will make Venom as scary as possible.
I don't understand how you can dislike a character based on one picture from a movie that's far from being finished.
Reminds me a bit of LOTR a few years ago :"Oh no not Mortensen as Aragorn, he sucks, and not that Bloom guy as Legolas, and definitely not Wood as Frodo, they should have done this and that."
But when they actually saw the movie, everybody was like "WOW !"
Give it a chance. Venom can't be as bad as the Green Goblin.
Thats right, this isnt even a teaser poster. Its a freakin wallpaper, and i for one would use it for its dark "evocative element" (if i wasnt satisfied with my current one). Alpha well said, but the pointless bickering from both sides (including mine) should end . Why get worked up over something so nil, I say just be happy venom is actually going to be on screen in this lifetime. Its a wallpaper people , for your desktops, dont beat it to a dead horse.
Originally posted by Silverstein
no one is 'beating it' its just no one likes it, except for the hardCORE venomfanboys. And for some reason, people that don't like that 'wallpaper' are getting bashed.
I'm not bashing anyone for not liking it, I'm no saying people should or shouldn't like it. I'm trying to simply understand Doc Ock's ridiculous point of view as to WHY he doesn't like it. I don't ultimately care what he actually thinks, just why he thinks that.
I think it looks alright, I'm not a Venom fanboy. I just think he's a good character. You're the one saying that the only people capable of liking it are fanboys because you're too concerned with earning Doc Ock's respect. At least he has his own opinions.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not bashing anyone for not liking it, I'm no saying people should or shouldn't like it. I'm trying to simply understand Doc Ock's ridiculous point of view as to WHY he doesn't like it. I don't ultimately care what he actually thinks, just why he thinks that.I think it looks alright, I'm not a Venom fanboy. I just think he's a good character. You're the one saying that the only people capable of liking it are fanboys because you're too concerned with earning Doc Ock's respect. At least he has his own opinions.
-AC
i wasnt specifically calling out at you in the post, i noticed other people were actually bashing Doc, rather than what you are doing: trying to understand why he doesnt like it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I called you "names"? Proof please. Either way, you said it's not a bash forum, despite bashing. So at least have the consistency to not bash.
You called me an idiot.
There's your consistency in your no bash forum.
That's perfectly fine if you don't find it impressive, I'm not trying to make you agree
Good.
I'm trying to get your point here. It's not Venom, how isn't it? Please clarify to me why you believe it's not Venom, as I don't want to misinterpret you here.
Venom is a monster covered all over in symbiote with big white eyes, sharp teeth and a big ol' tongue.
That poster is Topher half covered in the black ooze.
Did you really need that explained to you??
What in the hell are you going on about? The teaser POSTERS? You don't seem to have a sensible point. You don't like Venom's teaser poster, so therefore you are entirely rubbishing the idea of Venom?How did Ock's poster show him in all his "glory"? Standing there looking back, big deal. Green Goblin? What glory? The only intimidating and formidable thing about those villains is that they are well known. At least there's an element of evocative presense in the Venom one. I still don't get why you're making such a big deal about a damn poster.
The teaser posters showed all the villains in their grand villainous glory. Ock standing there looking badass with his tentacles snaking towards you. Sandman in partially sandy form with his kid beside him. Green Goblin flying thru the city on his glider etc.
That's what the hell I'm going on about. This is not a pic of Venom. It's unimpressive compared to the other villain's ones.
Simple as that.
There have been many comic covers of Brock half covered in the symbiote, it's showing him changing. I honestly don't see why your life has been shattered by it. Jesus, man. You give comics fans a bad name, no wonder many people think we're all geeks with no life. So you don't like the poster, big deal. Fine. Why are you now slating Sony and the Venom's chances in the movie because you dislike the poster?
Oh Dr Freud, my life has not been shattered by it. I never flew into a rage or a long rant about it. Unlike you and the Muffinman.
I simply expressed my opinion in a few lines of it, and you and a couple of others went nuclear over it.
If anyone's life is shattered, it's you and the other sensitive fan boys.
So it's Sony's fault because you expected to see Venom? That's a bit retarded.
I never said I expected to see Venom in a poster. I said I expected to see Venom when I saw the title of this thread.
Then I saw the pic, and I instantly realized that is not Venom.
I didn't react in defense of the movie, I reacted in amazement at the way YOU reacted. I don't care less if you like it or not, man.
Then why are we here?? Why are you going thru this whole dramatic motion if you don't care what I think?? If you truly didn't care you'd have ignored what I said.
You have the freedom of expression and I'll defend your right to that, but the things you are getting pissed about are just so damn petty.
I'm not pissed off. I am UNIMPRESSED. Where did I fly into an angry or upset rage about this?? Show me the posts.
You're pissed because Sony didn't reveal Venom
But they did reveal Venom at Comic Con. And I've seen bootleg footage of it. Those who were there described Venom in fine detail too.
So thankfully we don't have to rely on this lame poster to get some decent spoilers about Venom.
With people like you out there, it'd take one look and you'd say "OH NO! THAT'S NOT VENOM FROM THE COMICS!".
Don't quit your day job Dr Freud.
The Venom I saw looked just like the comics. I was pleased. Too bad his human counterpart doesn't look like Brock.
True, the only thing worse than the people who will accept nothing are those who will only accept that which is impossibly catered to their wishes. That's what you are.
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I am sorry, but you really are clueless. You waltz in here claiming you have me figured out. You insult me, then tell me this is not a member bashing forum when I retaliate. You claim I'm a hater of the movies, then it's proven I'm clearly not.
Now you claim I only accept what is impossible. Well let me tell you this Dr Freud, hiring an actor who can act, and resemble Brock, is not impossible. I know that's a concept you find hard to grip, but it's true.
Ok, you like the movies, well done. How very noble of you. That doesn't retract from the fact that you are reacting pathetically, for nonsensical reasons, to a poster. Dude, you dislike the poster, fine, why write Venom off though? YOU expected Venom, that's your fault.
Yeah, silly me. A thread says there's a pic of Venom in here and I expect to see one. How silly of me. I should have been expecting a pic of Barbie or something instead 🙄
And where did I write Venom off btw?? Show me.
Yes, but the difference is, I'll be going in there with neutral expectations. You clearly already have negative opinions of him that you'll carry with you. It wouldn't surprise me if you come out of the theatre and say you hated Venom, if only because you don't want to go back on your claims.
Well Dr Freud, seeing as how good you are at figuring me out, we'll just have to wait and see. But don't hold your breath.
I already know I dislike the choice of actor to play Brock. That will not change. But hopefully he'll be buried in a mass of unrecognizable CGI when Venom comes on screen.
Have you forgotten how rabidly you contested that Venom wasn't surely going to be in the movie? Everyone was saying "Topher will be Venom". It was painfully obvious, everybody knew it.
Yeah, and I was wrong. Big whoop.
I honestly believed Raimi would follow his good trend of casting actors suitable to play the villains.
But then I shouldn't be surprised seeing as Raimi confessed at comic con that he's not a Venom fan. No wonder he changed him.
If you simply didn't believe he would, fine, but you actually criticised and berated people for claiming he would be, for believing he would be, without the word of Sony. They were right.
Yeah, and I apologized to those I criticized.
See I can admit when I'm wrong.
The irony is, you like Sony when they agree with you, dislike them when they make a teaser that isn't to your liking.
There's no irony there. I imagine most people don't like it when a movie company does something they don't like.
Yeah, they made a sucky teaser poster for Venom. But they made up for it with the other posters and the footage they showed.
But it's still a meh poster.
Do I need to go grab a picture of Norman Osborn and show you how much he DOESN'T look like Dafoe, or how much Doc Ock doesn't look like Molina?
Yes, you do that.
Because Dafoe and Molina were physically perfect for their roles. Spot on. Costumes were changed, but the actors wearing them were perfect.
I'll admit, Sandman is almost spot on.
In costume and physical appearance. But I guess his costume is easier to translate on screen than Ock and Goblin's.
What does it matter?
Well if an actor is hired to play a character, it's nice when they resemble that character. Especially if it's a visual character from a comic book fans have gotten to know and love for years.
If Topher makes up for not being massive by turning in a great performance, why will it matter? Would you overlook a great performance just because he isn't a mountain of muscle? It's hardly Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut (Now that is bad casting, if anything).
The casting choice is TOO different for me to ignore. Topher is like the mini me version of Brock. I look at him, I hear his voice, and I get no Brock vibe at all from him.
I'll wait and see how he plays it of course, but my opinion will remain the same, he is physically unsuitable to play Brock. There's nothing Brock about him. And appearance is half the battle in a comic book character's performance.
Yes, and? It's also a technicality that you are getting hung up on. You're getting disappointed because someone labelled the pic as Venom rather than "Topher transforming into Venom". You know what the thread started means, but you chose to focus on the technicality because as I have claimed, you always find something to complain about. Rather than saying "Oh, he/she meant Topher transforming, I get it.", you went mental. Although technically, it's only his face that's uncovered, the rest of his body is inside the suit. How many times has Brock removed the head in the comics? Many.
I don't care how many times he removed the head in the comics. It's irrelevant here. Unless he's fully embodied in the symbiote, he's not Venom.
You can whine and whine all you like about the fact that I dislike this. My opinion will not change. It's not a pic of Venom. It's a pic of Topher being engulfed by the symbiote.
And I am NOT IMPRESSED by it. Like it or lump it.
You seem to have it in for Venom in this movie just because he doesn't look to your requirements, this pic further proves that.
Forgive me if my standards are not as low as yours for Venom.
You claim to be a Venom fan, yet you say you don't care an actor who looks nothing like him is cast as him.
I want an actor who can act and looks the part. Those are not unreasonable requirements. You might find them unreasonable, but as I said, your standards are obviously lower.
Rather than reserving all judgement until you see the movie, you've already pulled back the hammer, it would seem.
I haven't passed judgement yet. I've passed judgement on this poster. I've passed judgement on the casting choice for Brock. But I have not passed judgement on Venom yet. Though the brief clip we saw at comic con looked good.
Topher is obviously going to have the mask/head when he's fully transformed isn't he? He may very well look awesome, he may not. Why don't you just wait and see?
I will wait and see. As I said I hope Topher is eclipsed in CGI.
Being able to literally act and being a fitting actor for the part are two different ball parks.
Yeah, so??
If a drummer leaves a band after 20 years, there are many drummers who can literally play well enough to replace him, but it doesn't matter for shit if they don't "fit" into the band in other areas, does it?
Worst analogy ever.
A drummer just has to make the same sound. An actor has looks and performance to match a character.
The same applies to Venom/Topher. Why get someone who looks perfect by acts "ok", when you can have someone who looks ok and obviously acts well enough for Sam Raimi to cast him?
Well since they can hire actors who look like the other villains, and also play them well, there's no reason for it not to be the same with Venom.
He doesn't look like Brock of the comics, no, but it could still come off extremely well from the opposites angle. He looks remarkably like Parker, he could pull of the evil side extremely well. Lets hope he does.
That's where we differ.
Brock was never an evil twin. Parker and Brock are about as physically similar as Whoopi Goldberg and Sharon Stone.
I don't like that angle much. I'll wait and see what Raimi does with it. But I don't like the concept at all.
I love Venom, I don't want to see a shit movie Venom in any way, I hope it works just as much as you, but I'm willing to give it a bit more or a chance.
Good for you.
But don't criticize me for not being as flexible and laid back as you. I like what I like and I make no apologies for it.
So, when a bunch of fan boys foam at the mouth in anger when they see a negative remark about something they like, and then pounce on me for it, well it's sad. Really sad.
You claim you don't care what I think, yet you're going out of your way here to discuss my point of view with me.
Really, I don't care who agrees with me or not. It doesn't matter to me. And it shouldn't matter to you what others think.
If you want to debate something, do it nicely. Save your condescending, insulting remarks for your kids.
When I first heard that Spidey would be CGI, I wasn't even going to see the movie, I went in and came out thrilled. Just don't be so eager to crush the idea. Sam Raimi hasn't gone far wrong yet.
I don't see why you had a problem with CGI Spider-Man. It's not like he was CGI all the time.
If he captures the ATTITUDE of Brock, that's what matters.
To you.
I'm sure every director wants the perfect person to play their parts, dude. The fact is, sometimes you have to settle for someone who has as many pluses you can get. Topher might have it all except the muscles, is that so bad? Not in my opinion.
I find it impossible to believe that Sony could not find a young actor with some meat on his bones who can act.
Impossible. There's TONS of young talent out there.
Sorry about the split posts, but KMC only allows so many letters per post. The original had too many.