Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4

Thats right, "1+1=2" is not absolute because it depends on our definition of the basic arithmetic operations(addition, subtraction, multiplication, division). As these operations are usually defined 1+1 will result in 2, but if you choose a non-standart arithmetic system 1+1 could not result in 2 anymore. There are many non-standart arithmetic systems. People find so hard to believe that "1+1=2" is not absolute, but that is basic knowledge, any mathematician will agree with that.

Standart arithmetics have four or maybe eight axioms(I don´t remember exactly) which are statements that are assumed to be true without being proved. One of these axioms says that "x+0 = x". You can define a non-standart arithmetic where "x+0 = 0", and you can do that. Its not contradictory to do that, it is just a different arithmetics. In an arithmetic system like this you can prove that 1 + 1 = 0, like: 1+1 = (1+0)+(1+0) = 0+0 = 0

1+1=2 is not an absolute because it depends on the definition of the operation addition that we are using. The operation addition is not absolute. It is the way it is because someone choose to define it in that way.

i see it like this if you have two big piles of mms and two more piles of mms and you add them you get 1 big pile of mms so 2+2 =1

Originally posted by strangehero420
i see it like this if you have two big piles of mms and two more piles of mms and you add them you get 1 big pile of mms so 2+2 =1

Is that absolute?

yes if you add two piles together you get one pile no matter what

Originally posted by strangehero420
yes if you add two piles together you get one pile no matter what

But you still have the same amount of m and m's that you started with...doh

unless some of the m and m's went into another dimesion... 💃

sure that dimensoins called my mouth but maybe your onto something with protons and neutrons and losing them with combining...... maybe

Another example would be chemistry. If you take 2 oxygen molecules and 2 carbon atoms you get 2 carbon dioxide molecules. 2+2=2

or more presicely 2 O2 + 2 C = 2 CO2

They won't react on thier own.

Originally posted by Alliance
They won't react on thier own.

That's not the point. a + b = c. that's the argument.

c will always be a+b. it won't be anything different..unless you're telling us that you can mix 2 oxygen molecules and 2 carbon atoms togeter and get anything else other than carbon dioxide molecules. 🙄

I could probably find a reaction that would be spontaneous, but I figured that that was a good enough simplification of stoichiometry for this topic.

Originally posted by Gay Guy
That's not the point. a + b = c. that's the argument.

c will always be a+b. it won't be anything different..unless you're telling us that you can mix 2 oxygen molecules and 2 carbon atoms togeter and get anything else other than carbon dioxide molecules. 🙄

The point is that this exuation (a=O2, b=C, c=CO2) follows this formula.

a+b+Energy=c

Neural equation

Let us say that at time point Y it requires 4 excitatory communications in Two part bursts for Neuron alpha to Reach it's action potential, we will give this action potential the value of 4 because 2 communications of value 2 cause this action potential. Given constant stimulation in this manner, the neuron habituates. At time point Z it now requires >4 excitatory communications to achieve the same action potential of value 4 because the action potential does not change.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Math is generally referred to as an "Objective Truth" in science.
Objective meaning.."absolute" in its existence or beginning.
By faith alone..numbers used to determine the results of simple equations are assumed to be 100 percent constant. "Constant" meaning..they represent "absolute" values...and are not subject to change.

There are some, however, who believe that everything in life is made up of "Relative Truths." Relative meaning..everything is subject to change, and truth is dependant upon an individual's circumstances/views.

Those of you who believe in "Relative Truths." Please provide for me an explanation..as to how the mathmetical equation.

2 + 2 = 4

Is a relative truth.

**You may not make any "absolute" arguments to prove this relative truth, doing such.. would be contradictory to your position.

The funniest argument(and perhaps the most ridiculous) I've seen from a relativist, is the description of mathematics being a *relative* concept. The relativist then goes on - defining a numerical system relative to a particular base(such as base 13), all the while forgetting that in the assigning of a base to such a system, they are declaring such a system to be absolute.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
The funniest argument(and perhaps the most ridiculous) I've seen from a relativist, is the description of mathematics being a *relative* concept. The relativist then goes on - defining a numerical system relative to a particular base(such as base 13), all the while forgetting that in the assigning of a base to such a system, they are declaring such a system to be absolute.

😱 I tried to tell whob that.

BTW he will not answer, he's been banned for a long time now. 😎

I FKN HATE WHOB....

I didn't realize this was HIS thread.....

Why do we even honor him by continuing his work ? This thread should be CLOSED...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I FKN HATE WHOB....

I didn't realize this was [b]HIS thread..... [/B]

Please don't hate him, can you imagine how much pain he has in his life? He's gay and refuses to fulfill that part of his life. I feel sorry for him.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please don't hate him, can you imagine how much pain he has in his life? He's gay and refuses to fulfill that part of his life. I feel sorry for him.

Sorry, but I hardly ever dislike anyone so much.

I am pretty tolerant of people....even the lowest of the low. But Whob was just a nightmare bro......the most hypocritical full o'shit crapbag KMC has ever spawned.

HE makes JIA and JM pretty tolerable...

The only person who has managed to tick me off faster was Marcello.....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Sorry, but I hardly ever dislike anyone so much.

I am pretty tolerant of people....even the lowest of the low. But Whob was just a nightmare bro......the most hypocritical full o'shit crapbag KMC has ever spawned.

HE makes JIA and JM pretty tolerable...

The only person who has managed to tick me off faster was Marcello.....

I know what you mean. I was faced with the same dilemma when dealing with him. I do not want to hate any one, so I decided that whob was my sick friend and I needed to have compassion. If your friend was sick and being an ass because of it, wouldn't you be compassionate?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know what you mean. I was faced with the same dilemma when dealing with him. I do not want to hate any one, so I decided that whob was my sick friend and I needed to have compassion. If your friend was sick and being an ass because of it, wouldn't you be compassionate?

The problem is that Whob was never my freind. He never will be. Simply cuz I'm bisexual, or because im Liberal, or because I'm not Christian, or whatever....not only was that was an AUTOMATIC ticket to Hell in his book, but an automatic reason for everything I say, good or bad, to be automatically invalid.

The guy's a dumbass..I don't truly hate him, because I don't know him, but thank God there is only ONE Whob....and even greater, thankfully his azz is banned