Originally posted by Bardock42
It can't be outside the system...obviously in a system that has as axiom that 2+2=0 it is not a truth. But it doesn't claim that, so everything that is claimed by it is that "in the system we call "mathematics" (which is comparable to a language in some ways) itself (2+2) equals 4"...that is a fact, an absolute Truth...no argueing about that.
This thread is really fun when whob is here, otherwise everyone agrees with me. 😉
Originally posted by blackhat
Sure there is, many-pre schoolers actually understand the arithmatic involved with 2 + 2, they are not just memorizing it.
It's really quite a simple concept, and does not require deep thought or hours of analizing.
Sometimes a simple concept can be overanalized.
On the other hand, it one does not find that 2 + 2 a simple concept, whether we are talking pos, neg or dec or any other kind of numbers, well then...what more can I say.
But they only understand it on a logic system which, again, they have simply adopted from those around them with no input of their own. They cannot justify WHY it is so.
You're really just missing the point here.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
But they only understand it on a logic system which, again, they have simply adopted from those around them with no input of their own. They cannot justify WHY it is so.You're really just missing the point here.
Ok, now I a little curious.....so how old were you when you figured it out, the 2 + 2 = 4 thing?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The question of does 2 + 2 = 4? is a metaphor for, is there an absolute truth?
Originally posted by blackhat
I know, but it's fun messing around, that's why I started with the pre-schooler, it was a humorious way of pointing out how silly the great debate over the 2 + 2 = 4 was beginning to look like.
It's funny how quick some take you for a stooge when your just clowning around, yet I continue to clown around anyway.
I can't help it......it's a mental thing. 😆
You clown around? 😕
I don't get that, all I see is hate and contempt, and of course, I can clown around too. 😆 jk
That's good, laughter is so important. But say something stupid to be funny and most will laugh, but there are always those clowns that will jump in to point out what you said was stupid. Isn't that really stupid? It's sooo stupid! I can't believe how stupid that is. There is that famous saying:
"Stupid is as stupid does"
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Re: Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Math is generally referred to as an "Objective Truth" in science.
Objective meaning.."absolute" in its existence or beginning.
By faith alone..numbers used to determine the results of simple equations are assumed to be 100 percent constant. "Constant" meaning..they represent "absolute" values...and are not subject to change.There are some, however, who believe that everything in life is made up of "Relative Truths." Relative meaning..everything is subject to change, and truth is dependant upon an individual's circumstances/views.
Those of you who believe in "Relative Truths." Please provide for me an explanation..as to how the mathmetical equation.
2 + 2 = 4
Is a relative truth.
**You may not make any "absolute" arguments to prove this relative truth, doing such.. would be contradictory to your position.
So much for constant and objective.
Re: Re: Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4
Originally posted by Wesker
Math is pwnedSo much for constant and objective.
Actually that whole division by "0" philosophy you've presented is a bit incorrect.
Division by zero is a mathematical impossibility, until one gets into the subject of calculus..where the 1/0 is represented by the equation 1/x.
In calculus 1/x can essentially be defined as "approaching the limit to absolute 0."
Hell, even chemistry has an "absolute" 0 on the Kelvin temperature scale that it recognizes as existing.
So much for your "absolute" argument of everything being relativistic and subjective.😉
Fin
Re: Re: Re: Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Actually that whole division by "0" philosophy you've presented is a bit incorrect.Division by zero is a mathematical impossibility, until one gets into the subject of calculus..where the 1/0 is represented by the equation 1/x.
In calculus 1/x can essentially be defined as "approaching the limit to absolute 0."
Hell, even chemistry has an "absolute" 0 on the Kelvin temperature scale that it recognizes as existing.
So much for your "absolute" argument of everything being relativistic and subjective.😉
Fin
There is a true absolute reality, but you do not know what it is. We cannot know true absolute reality because we live in a relative relationship to absolute reality. So, everything to us is relative.