What tpt says above is indeed correct- as I said, Maths only has absolute truths because it assumes that its own system of logic is correct. That assumption is based on faith. But it is still spectacularly useless to doubt it.
Just wanted to kill another long going argument we've had in these forums. One of the foundations of natural science is Mathematics..correct?
If math is an "Objective truth" supported only by faith...that would make Science a faith based belief system as well.
Thank you all for your participation in this thread.
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Originally posted by whobdamandog
Answer:So in summary...
You've agreed that there is an "absolute" basis to "Philisophical Sceptism."
Math has truths..which can't be refuted.(this would make these truths absolute..)
So basically we're in agreement that "absolute truths" do exist within life. When you bring in the argument of "Philosphical Skepticism" and the reasoning behind my arguments..you are taking an "absolute" stance against them. You follow?
I'm glad we could have this discussion...😖mile:
So, you have agreed that there is no absolute truth, and that all things change.
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You see that is how I see you. Everyone disagrees with you and you just go and say that your argument is correct. I think you have missed the point of this forum. No one is here to change your mind and you will not change any ones mind by just staying to your point. If you change your point of view, other people might meet you half way.
By the precepts of logic that would only be doubted by the Philisophical sceptic, then yes it is. In fact, I mentioned that in the Evolution thread, along with another comment about how useless that is.
But of course, that is totally irrelevant, because as I said earlier in this thread, Science is an attempt to do the best it can within the limits of our perceptions.
And inside those limits, there are then fundamental differences between what we call faiths- generally meaning religions- and the way that science works.
The Philosphical Sceptic would indeed say that once all is doubted, all is faith. Everything we profess to know about the world is faith.
But beyond the assumptions that we all make to live from day to day life, enormous differences remain between faith and science- differences that, for example, dictate whether something belongs in a science classroom or not.
You can just use different words for the definitions, if it would help you distinguish.
Very interesting thread this one.... it is unfortunate that I didn´t see it before. You should have posted it in the philosophy forum... I kind of a philosophy forum rat... just kidding 😂
I believe that science is based in faith too, I even argued that in other threads.
Science basically considers by its own faith that empiricism, which is the philosophical doctrine that all human knowledge ultimately comes from the senses and from experience, is true. Then they use that statement assumed to be true by pure faith, to prove scientific truths, but scientific truths are just true if you have FAITH in the first statement. Although I agree with Ushgarak that there are big differences between science, and religion.
Spirituality is more difficult than science to understand, since its a little further off our perceptions so we must be very careful while dealing with it, and judging it, and many times people make misunderstandings in this area, specially religious institutions, or people who are quick to assume a skeptical position towards spirituality.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
I thought "God" understood everything..😆 😆Apparently he doesn't understand that 2 + 2 = 4...nor does he understand satirical comments made against him...😆😆
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No, really, what is it you are trying to say. Are you trying to say that you are better than the rest of us? Are you trying to say that the education system is bad? Are you making fun of my religious beliefs?
How old are you? I made the assumption that I was talking to an adult. Speak your mind without insults or hidden meanings. Say what you really mean.
Please do not take this kind of attitude just because I don’t understand you. I am a different person with my own history and culture. What I wrote was not intended as a slam.