There seems to be two ways to win an argument.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Surely my name is indicative of...something!

Well in this thread, the first part of your name is indictive of your argument...

There's a difference between unprovoked name-calling and calling you a troll...which you are being. You are making fun of some of the posters--an obvious troll attempt--and thus should be called on it. Which I have done.

You called me a name, while pointing out that Shaky had a point about people who argue with people by calling them names..

And that doesn't sound a bit hypocritical to to you? 😕

The philosophy of "do unto others" does not mean to tolerate all things, your posting being in that category.

Well perhaps you should focus less on "tolerance" ..and more on introspection..look at yourself..you've just insulted me twice..within this thread alone..and you've stated that this is the very thing you don't like in threads.

Wise man once said..we always fight against the things we ourselves represent.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Wise man once said..we always fight agains the things we ourselves represent.

I never heard of that saying. Who said that?

Originally posted by GCG
I never heard of that saying. Who said that?

Joe said it...

Joe Public says a lot of things.

But that saying means that we fight for improvement and question ourselves and asess things to better our position.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It's kind of hard to "own" someone, or their argument...when you never respond to my posts. You haven't responded to any of my posts since I called you out on lying and making things up to support your own arguments in the intelligent design thread.

Once again, you saying you win...means about as much as the lies you post.

Your post above is why I rarely respond to you anymore Captain..your arguments have gotten fairly dry..

All you post in every thread in response to a post I make now is...

YOU LIE..YOU'RE A LIAR..YOUR POST IS SH*T..

At least Ush and Lana and even Picador come up with a fairly descent arguments from time to time. Add more substance to your arguments..and I'll respond. Simple as that.

Originally posted by GCG
Joe Public says a lot of things.

But that saying means that we fight for improvement and question ourselves and asess things to better our position.

See Captain..now this is a good post..and for Shaky/others reading this thread..this is a good example of a non-put downish argument.
(non-putdownish meaning..it doesn't look like he's attempting to attack character/namecall/etc)

Have you noticed that up to this point..I haven't made any comments against GCG...

Introspection guys and gals..I guarantee you if you don't want to be "insulted"...then the wise thing to do...is to not insult others.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Your post above is why I rarely respond to you anymore Captain..your arguments have gotten fairly dry..

All you post in every thread in response to a post I make now is...

YOU LIE..YOU'RE A LIAR..YOUR POST IS SH*T..

At least Ush and Lana and even Picador come up with a fairly descent arguments from time to time. Add more substance to your arguments..and I'll respond. Simple as that.

Funny, you called me Picador again, reverting back to an old argument (in which you acted like a child also) purely to troll for a response.

You are lame.

I look forward to your inevitable banning.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There seems to be two ways to win an argument.
1. Give a solid convincing argument supported my facts.
2. Insult and bash your opponent at every turn until he/she gives up in disgust.

What do you think about this?

Oops, that's all of them. *Slaps self with own ego*

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Don't forget the ever popular "Bases covered, you basher you! I win already! You're blatantly an idiot" which covers both of those and is used by certain members here with large ego's.

Oops, that's all of them. *Slaps self with own ego*

😆 😆

Now why can't more people make light of themselves like this guy.

Well done..

Some people seem to think that they're above reproach in these forums. I shudder to think about how they deal with criticism in the real world..particularly since they get a flustered from text and smilies on a computer screen...😂

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Funny, you called me Picador again, reverting back to an old argument (in which you acted like a child also) purely to troll for a response.

You are lame.

I look forward to your inevitable banning.

Wow..so much angst. Actually I typically don't attempt to "troll" as you put..generally I just respond in kind to those who attempt to "degrade" others.

You know its interesting Kharmadog..you of all people are probably one of the largest contributors to what many deem to be a "trolling epidemic." From time to time you'll post a good argument or two..but generally you resort to sarcastic one liners..or ridicule those with views different than your own. Judge yourself..before you begin to judge others. Life is made up of more than just our personal feelings my friend.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Well in this thread, the first part of your name is indictive of your argument...

You called me a name, while pointing out that Shaky had a point about people who argue with people by calling them names..

And that doesn't sound a bit hypocritical to to you? 😕

Well perhaps you should focus less on "tolerance" ..and more on introspection..look at yourself..you've just insulted me twice..within this thread alone..and you've stated that this is the very thing you don't like in threads.

Wise man once said..we always fight against the things we ourselves represent.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Your post above is why I rarely respond to you anymore Captain..your arguments have gotten fairly dry..

All you post in every thread in response to a post I make now is...

YOU LIE..YOU'RE A LIAR..YOUR POST IS SH*T..

At least Ush and Lana and even Picador come up with a fairly descent arguments from time to time. Add more substance to your arguments..and I'll respond. Simple as that.

No, you respond to them because they waste their time by addressing you posting lies and half-truths from websites that present your opinion as fact. Faith-based websites will always approach every bit of evidence for evolution as biased points that the scientific community has made up or lied about. Lies are not substance. That's a fact.

On the other side of that argument, scientific websites do approach people who believe in creationism as ignorant. I understand that can be insulting, but even you have to admit that being told that hard facts are just a bunch of bullshit that you made up, is frustrating.

But, it's less that you post lies, and more that you seem to think that your word and opinion are absolute. Sure, believe in your opinion and stand by your convictions, but do it in a credible way...and I will always respect your position and opinion.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
See Captain..now this is a good post..and for Shaky/others reading this thread..this is a good example of a non-put downish argument.
(non-putdownish meaning..it doesn't look like he's attempting to attack character/namecall/etc)

Have you noticed that up to this point..I haven't made any comments against GCG...

Introspection guys and gals..I guarantee you if you don't want to be "insulted"...then the wise thing to do...is to not insult others.

Like I said, your opinion is one thing. But me calling you a liar isn't a "put-down", it was a fact.

Is everyone having fun?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
You know its interesting Kharmadog..you of all people are probably one of the largest contributors to what many deem to be a "trolling epidemic." From time to time you'll post a good argument or two..but generally you resort to sarcastic one liners..or ridicule those with views different than your own. Judge yourself..before you begin to judge others. Life is made up of more than just our personal feelings my friend.

One liners or sarcastic comments are not trolling, and generally my comments are on topic. You however seem to thrive on attention or being at the centre of some arguement or dispute. So much so that you have to cause them or dredge up old arguements.

I have not (to my recollection) ever been accused of trolling, except by you just now. You, on the other hand, have been recognized as a troll for some time now, by many members.

Now is the time to say something lame, post a smiley face, claim that you owned someone and tell us all that we are participating in a group thinking mentality.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, you respond to them because they waste their time by addressing you posting lies and half-truths from websites that present your opinion as fact. Faith-based websites will always approach every bit of evidence for evolution as biased points that the scientific community has made up or lied about. Lies are not substance. That's a fact.

On the other side of that argument, scientific websites do approach people who believe in creationism as ignorant. I understand that can be insulting, but even you have to admit that being told that hard facts are just a bunch of bullshit that you made up, is frustrating.

But, it's less that you post lies, and more that you seem to think that your word and opinion are absolute. Sure, believe in your opinion and stand by your convictions, but do it in a credible way...and I will always respect your position and opinion.

Yet another example why you get less and less responses from me. You attack credibility..because 99.99 percent of the time..you've been proven wrong about some sort of point.

Again..post where I've lied. You have yet to do this..because you can't find an example of where this is the case. You/others just subjectively cut and paste things that I've said..and then point the finger..because alas, you have generally run out of "valid" arguments that can be used to retort what I've posted.

Case in point..provide the goods Captain..or stop throwing out baseless allegations about "lying" "half truths" "etc". As well as using profanity, callng people names..etc.

Its fairly apparent..at least to those who have any bit of intelligence..that the only thing you are attempting to do is damage credibility..not actually attempting to refute the initial arguments presented in the thread.

You're a flickering fire that's just about out Captain, and I feel no need to respond to you anymore. Perhaps you should look for other means to keep the fire going..right now..with each "let me attack his credability" argument ..you are coming very close to extinguishing your own dying flame.

Fin.

Originally posted by FeceMan
There's a difference between name-calling to name-call and pointing out that you are being a troll. I could say that you are 'stupid' or an 'idiot' but that would be name-calling just to be a dink.

Semantics..but you have the right to believe what you wish.

One thing I might advise you of..seeing how you are a "Christian" and all..using the "Lord's" name in vain is a sin..something you might want to think about..if you truly deem yourself a follower of Christ.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
One liners or sarcastic comments are not trolling, and generally my comments are on topic. You however seem to thrive on attention or being at the centre of some arguement or dispute. So much so that you have to cause them or dredge up old arguements.

I have not (to my recollection) ever been accused of trolling, except by you just now. You, on the other hand, have been recognized as a troll for some time now, by many members.

Now is the time to say something lame, post a smiley face, claim that you owned someone and tell us all that we are participating in a group thinking mentality.

No accusation does not = Not guilty.

Do you honestly believe you don't needlessly insult others in the forum?
Heck..I believe I've even seen you insult Shaky recently in a thread.

Introspection Kharma...learn it. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. Go through some of the threads you post in. Look at them optimistically. Regardless of the "relevance" to the topic or how many people haven't called out your "sarcastic" posts..it doesn't make your remarks any less offensive.

Personally as I've stated before..yours/others comments don't really bother me..and I don't take offense to any posts on the forum..I generally find most of them quite funny from time to time.

Moving on..the way I see it..you have two options Kharma..either stop posting offensive stuff to others..or learn to take the comments/jokes others use against you "lightly". Pick your poison..either way..don't expect to receive "postive results" from "negative" actions.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Yet another example why you get less and less responses from me. You attack credibility..because 99.99 percent of the time..you've been proven wrong about some sort of point.

Again..post where I've lied. You have yet to do this..because you can't find an example of where this is the case. You/others just subjectively cut and paste things that I've said..and then point the finger..because alas, you have generally run out of "valid" arguments that can be used to retort what I've posted.

Case in point..provide the goods Captain..or stop throwing out baseless allegations about "lying" "half truths" "etc". As well as using profanity, callng people names..etc.

Its fairly apparent..at least to those who have any bit of intelligence..that the only thing you are attempting to do is damage credibility..not actually attempting to refute the initial arguments presented in the thread.

You're a flickering fire that's just about out Captain, and I feel no need to respond to you anymore. Perhaps you should look for other means to keep the fire going..right now..with each "let me attack his credability" argument ..you are coming very close to extinguishing your own dying flame.

Fin.

The feeling of not responding is mutual. There's a reason I just call you out and leave. You're not worth arguing with...and that's what Ush and Lana don't realize.

There's no fire. That's just more of you pretending that you make the rules for everyone.

Post an argument that is worth addressing, and I'll do just that. But, even when people, myself included, refute your arguments you say you've "owned" us and that's all you say.

This whole argument, and about 99.99 percent of your posts since the intelligent design thread have been based on that single thread.

I'm fine with you not responding to me....it's apparent to everyone that you ignore being called liar, because you can't prove you aren't. And it isn't even you whose lying...it you supporting lies and furthering them that detracts from your credibility.

Re-read a few of these threads, you're simply wrong. You're pissed because people, myself being the first to do it, have called you out on posting lies. Even in the intelligent design thread, you wanted to present creationism as scientific fact....and it's simply not. Again, if you want ID in a science class, then fight to change the definition of science...not evolution.

My friend loves arguing (I won't say his name; he'll kick my ass), but he claims he's never lost an argument. How? According to him, there's no 'winning' an argument. The only possible way would be to convince the other that your opinion is right, but even then, you yourself may be incorrect, and since there is no overlord of knowledge to confirm what you've said, arguments are left only in advantage-disadvantage situations.

Incidentally, 'in my opinion', whobdamandog has not won an argument yet, and prefers to declare other points of view null and void. I find that to be an ineffective way to argue.