Originally posted by The Ionnah, i give it to tim both ways in the end.....but hey we cant always agree, we will just have to wait and see when they FINALLY kill off bruce wayne
Not really. Drake will get better and so will Nightwing. Bats even admitted Dick could surpass him one day. Tim is the detective, Dick is the fighter. That's the way it'll always be.
Re: Echo v Nightwing
Originally posted by leonidas
so we know who ronin is, finally. can dd's protege take out the greatest protege of the bats?
Echo was not Daredevil's protege! was she? She was his enemy and lover.
Daredevil only just beat her before by cheating (using the darkness) and in there final battle it was a sort of draw because she left to blind Kingpin.
She got a bad press in New Avengers. She shouldn't have been knocked out so easily..........
she has the skills of everyone she sees. She has already got DD, Bullseye's, numerous Kung Fu and boxing champions. Nightwing has experience on his side, but she has far greater skill. Daredevil's skills alone would be a match for nightwing, not including the others.
I think Echo wins this 6 or 7/10
Originally posted by Mainstream
wasn't Grayson Batman already? not to mention Nightwing lead the orginal teen Titans, a group of Outsiders and even the JLA for a time? sounds to me he's better than Tim Drake could ever dream to be and could be even better than Batman one day.
Re: Re: Echo v Nightwing
Originally posted by willRules
Echo was not Daredevil's protege! was she? She was his enemy and lover.Daredevil only just beat her before by cheating (using the darkness) and in there final battle it was a sort of draw because she left to blind Kingpin.
She got a bad press in New Avengers. She shouldn't have been knocked out so easily..........
she has the skills of everyone she sees. She has already got DD, Bullseye's, numerous Kung Fu and boxing champions. Nightwing has experience on his side, but she has far greater skill. Daredevil's skills alone would be a match for nightwing, not including the others.
I think Echo wins this 6 or 7/10
Originally posted by wolverine8888
when do they ever say he ends up being the new batman. also tim drake would get owned by night wing. night wing was always the one with the most potential tim is just he one who listen and fallows what ever batman says the most.
Goodness .....stick to Wolverine (or Wulbareen in your case) and stop bringing hyperbole (and outright lies) to other characters.
Tim Drake has more potential than Dick Grayson.
Batman said so in Hush when he compared Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake (and he also explained why Grayson outgrew the Robin mantle, why Todd died, and why Drake will be the greatest detective in the world some day).
Tim has also gotten the best training from Batman (explained in other writings to stem from Batman swearing that what happened to Tood would never happen again). Tim even received some attention from Shiva.
Also Tim Drake was good enough to find out who Batman was by his own self ....he wasn't adopted like Grayson, and wasn't quasi-apprehended like Todd.
Also note Drake was considered good enough to be let off on solo missions .....years younger than Grayson was when he flew off the nest.
When it comes to potential Drake has gobs more than Grayson.
No disrespect to Grayson ....the guy is amazing, and will one day probably be better than Bruce himself. And he has been given a lot of responsibility (in the Obsidian arc he was even selected by Bruce himself to head the JLA .....which says a whole LOT on just how good Nightwing is). Thus Nightwing is no slouch, and someday he shall surpass the Batman himself.
However in terms of potential Tim Drake is doing things Nightwing did when he was far older.
Tim has been better trained.
And Tim is a far better thinker and tactician.
The only thing that Grayson has over Drake is obviously athletic ability (in particular exceedingly well-honed agility), as well as a whole lot more experience (primarily due to his age). Thus Grayson is actually more capable than Drake (in the same way a 35yr old brain-surgeon with an IQ of 145 is far more capable than a 17 yr old pre-med student with an IQ of 198, but the teen has more potential).
However in terms of potential Tim Drake is the best. So when you say Nightwing has the most 'potential' you are either mistaken, lying, or a medley of the two.
Have a nice day W8888.
Originally posted by spetznazthank you, you rock
Goodness .....stick to Wolverine (or Wulbareen in your case) and stop bringing hyperbole (and outright lies) to other characters.
Tim Drake has more potential than Dick Grayson.
Batman said so in Hush when he compared Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake (and he also explained why Grayson outgrew the Robin mantle, why Todd died, and why Drake will be the greatest detective in the world some day).
Tim has also gotten the best training from Batman (explained in other writings to stem from Batman swearing that what happened to Tood would never happen again). Tim even received some attention from Shiva.
Also Tim Drake was good enough to find out who Batman was by his own self ....he wasn't adopted like Grayson, and wasn't quasi-apprehended like Todd.
Also note Drake was considered good enough to be let off on solo missions .....years younger than Grayson was when he flew off the nest.When it comes to potential Drake has gobs more than Grayson.
No disrespect to Grayson ....the guy is amazing, and will one day probably be better than Bruce himself. And he has been given a lot of responsibility (in the Obsidian arc he was even selected by Bruce himself to head the JLA .....which says a whole LOT on just how good Nightwing is). Thus Nightwing is no slouch, and someday he shall surpass the Batman himself.
However in terms of potential Tim Drake is doing things Nightwing did when he was far older.
Tim has been better trained.
And Tim is a far better thinker and tactician.The only thing that Grayson has over Drake is obviously athletic ability (in particular exceedingly well-honed agility), as well as a whole lot more experience (primarily due to his age). Thus Grayson is actually more capable than Drake (in the same way a 35yr old brain-surgeon with an IQ of 145 is far more capable than a 17 yr old pre-med student with an IQ of 198, but the teen has more potential).
However in terms of potential Tim Drake is the best. So when you say Nightwing has the most 'potential' you are either mistaken, lying, or a medley of the two.
Have a nice day W8888.
Tim is my favorite, but I am curious about his potential. If he has so much potential, how come his teenage self beat his late 20's self in "The future is Now?" Batman Drake wasn't injured or tired but Robin Drake had the snot beat out of him by Batman drake in the tombstone scene. All of a sudden Robin Drake get sthe smack down on his adult self? One with 10 years more experience, better suit, and better tech?
Originally posted by AcousticDocits called PIS, so drake does end up being Batz
Tim is my favorite, but I am curious about his potential. If he has so much potential, how come his teenage self beat his late 20's self in "The future is Now?" Batman Drake wasn't injured or tired but Robin Drake had the snot beat out of him by Batman drake in the tombstone scene. All of a sudden Robin Drake get sthe smack down on his adult self? One with 10 years more experience, better suit, and better tech?
Originally posted by spetznaz
Goodness .....stick to Wolverine (or Wulbareen in your case) and stop bringing hyperbole (and outright lies) to other characters.
Tim Drake has more potential than Dick Grayson.
Batman said so in Hush when he compared Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake (and he also explained why Grayson outgrew the Robin mantle, why Todd died, and why Drake will be the greatest detective in the world some day).
Tim has also gotten the best training from Batman (explained in other writings to stem from Batman swearing that what happened to Tood would never happen again). Tim even received some attention from Shiva.
Also Tim Drake was good enough to find out who Batman was by his own self ....he wasn't adopted like Grayson, and wasn't quasi-apprehended like Todd.
Also note Drake was considered good enough to be let off on solo missions .....years younger than Grayson was when he flew off the nest.When it comes to potential Drake has gobs more than Grayson.
No disrespect to Grayson ....the guy is amazing, and will one day probably be better than Bruce himself. And he has been given a lot of responsibility (in the Obsidian arc he was even selected by Bruce himself to head the JLA .....which says a whole LOT on just how good Nightwing is). Thus Nightwing is no slouch, and someday he shall surpass the Batman himself.
However in terms of potential Tim Drake is doing things Nightwing did when he was far older.
Tim has been better trained.
And Tim is a far better thinker and tactician.The only thing that Grayson has over Drake is obviously athletic ability (in particular exceedingly well-honed agility), as well as a whole lot more experience (primarily due to his age). Thus Grayson is actually more capable than Drake (in the same way a 35yr old brain-surgeon with an IQ of 145 is far more capable than a 17 yr old pre-med student with an IQ of 198, but the teen has more potential).
However in terms of potential Tim Drake is the best. So when you say Nightwing has the most 'potential' you are either mistaken, lying, or a medley of the two.
Have a nice day W8888.
how am I all out lieng? use some prove. also u go look at the wolverine post fighting skill feats up I mrde ur ass look like a fool there. just like when u said (Daredevil vs wolverine) the original comic had daredevil curb stomping wolverine. Ya u remeber that down right lie which I then caught u lieing and proved u were lieing and then in the same thread u made up another lie. from every thing I know about night wing batman him self stated he was the best leader. he is far more agile then drake. he a better fighter then drake and I betting he smarter also.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
how am I all out lieng? use some prove. also u go look at the wolverine post fighting skill feats up I mrde ur ass look like a fool there. just like when u said (Daredevil vs wolverine) the original comic had daredevil curb stomping wolverine. Ya u remeber that down right lie which I then caught u lieing and proved u were lieing and then in the same thread u made up another lie. from every thing I know about night wing batman him self stated he was the best leader. he is far more agile then drake. he a better fighter then drake and I betting he smarter also.
I cannot even make out what you are saying.
As for the DD vs Wolverine thing you are (trying to) talk about ....you must have me mistaken for someone else because I don't even know what you are talking about (and you making an @$$ out of me would be 100% impossible kid).
And you are talking about some 'lie' that you are not even naming .....come on kid ....even you can do better than that!
I've always known you love to stretch things a bit (goodness, you are known in the forum for just that), however stay away from the outright lies (or at least back them up kid).
You say that I 'remember' that lie ....well, I do not.
Thus please elucidate it ...please. Tell me what 'lie' I said concerning DD and Wolverine .....show the people in the forum.
Come on ....bust me .....please!
Please ...you can't! Because it doesn't exist!
If you can please go ahead .....link it .....prove me a liar ....show me where I lied about DareDevil and Wolverine.
Punk kid.
As for Grayson vs Drake let me chew it up a bit for your mind ....Grayson is more capable than Drake (as stated), but Drake has greater potential than Grayson (as stated). Let your mind ruminate on that for a wee bit.
Drake is far smarter (even before he became Robin he proved his smarts by being one of the very few to deduce Bruce Wayne and Batman were the same being), and Batman said in Hush that he will be the best one day. He even talks about Grayson, Todd and Drake.
Have a nice afternoon.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
how am I all out lieng? use some prove. also u go look at the wolverine post fighting skill feats up I mrde ur ass look like a fool there. just like when u said (Daredevil vs wolverine) the original comic had daredevil curb stomping wolverine. Ya u remeber that down right lie which I then caught u lieing and proved u were lieing and then in the same thread u made up another lie. from every thing I know about night wing batman him self stated he was the best leader. he is far more agile then drake. he a better fighter then drake and I betting he smarter also.
I'm still waiting, punk!
Prove it ....show where I said anything concerning DareDevil and Wolverine that was a lie ....in fact anything about DD and Wolvie.
This is why I said I do NOT hate you on the thread where you claimed Draco, Long Pig and I hated you.
I do not hate you.
I CANNOT hate you.
Why?
Because you are simply too pathetic to hate.
And LP is probably correct when he depicts you as a retard on that banner .....you act like one (and your spelling and lack of logical coherence alludes to that as well.....gosh darn blazes kid, I'd sue your teachers if I were you because I've seen Macaque monkeys in a zoo spell better than you do).
Oh, just got a thought .....hopefully you are not a macaque?