Chi attacks take time. And when they see a glowing fist and marred face full of concentration they'll suspect something.
Luke Cage is considerably slower than Batman and Nightwing. Especially Nightwing who bounces around like jackrabbit.
Sonics render them deaf and disoriented. Gases make them vomit or pass out.
And there's always an electromagnetic pulse which shuts down all brain activity (JLA Classified.) Looked like a credit card.
If you give Batman full, unrestricted access to his weapons locker, then he just pulls out his batwing and strafes LC & IF from the stratosphere with halo missiles and crap.
If you threw the four of them off the street and into a thunderdome arena, the Batman and Nightwing wouldn't stand a chance against Cage alone. With Iron Fist in the mix it becomes a slaughter.
Cage might be comparitively slow, but he and Danny are experienced working as a team. Iron Fist can basically use Cage as a shield while he charges up his chi. Batman and Nightwing dare not get within reach of Cage's arms.
If they try to shoot him with gas, Cage claps his hands together real hard and knocks it away. If they hit him with sonics--screw it, Cage is made of sterner stuff than that. Like he couldn't take a shot from Ulysses Claw?
Not that Batman and Nightwing aren't an effective team, but they are only human. Up against 25 ton lifter Cage and his buddy who blows through concrete walls with his fists. LC & IF aren't jobber villains, either.
Iron Fist kicks Batman or Nightwing into the arms of Cage and and that's the end of the fight for them.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Cage might be comparitively slow, but he and Danny are experienced working as a team.
Not nearly as long as Nightwing and Batman. They don't even have to talk or signal to each other anymore. They just do it instinctively.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Iron Fist can basically use Cage as a shield while he charges up his chi. Batman and Nightwing dare not get within reach of Cage's arms.
That would be an effective strategy. Try shielding against an electromagnetic pulse though....
Originally posted by Piedmon
If they try to shoot him with gas, Cage claps his hands together real hard and knocks it away.
The tear gas they carry is greenish in color like the entrance to the Wicked Witch of Oz. However their other gases are invisible and odorless. They copied some nerve gas from Luthor too.
Originally posted by Piedmon
If they hit him with sonics--screw it, Cage is made of sterner stuff than that. Like he couldn't take a shot from Ulysses Claw?
I disagree. Their sonics are made from Cyborg and the technologies of a Mother Box. Some are liberated from the Silver Swan (Batman is SUCH a plagarist). If they can affect the likes of Shark, Sinestro and Solomon Grundy than they'll affect Cage...badly.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Not that Batman and Nightwing aren't an effective team, but they are only human.
God knows how many jailed villains said that to Batman....
Originally posted by Piedmon
Up against 25 ton lifter Cage and his buddy who blows through concrete walls with his fists.
Who will have a very difficult time connecting with Batman and Nightwing when they're performing Tony Hawk stunts in the air. Gases. Sonics. Electromagnetic pulses. Explosives powerful enough to harm The Shaggy Man. Tazers. Etc.
Originally posted by Piedmon
LC & IF aren't jobber villains, either.
No, they aren't. They sure USED to look like that though. Especially Cage. Thank god for his new sense of style.
Iron Fist kicks Batman or Nightwing into the arms of Cage and and that's the end of the fight for them. [/B][/QUOTE]
Odorless, tastless gas? Sounds like a liability to me....
Batman: "Hit 'em from the front, Dick!"
*Nightwing goes charging in and suddenly stumbles, clutching his mouth and hacking*
NW: There's..... something in the air here... *hack*
BM: No way, Dick, I timed it out. The gas should have dissipated by now.
NW: I'm telling you.... *coughs, drops to a knee* .....there's.... gas....
BM: I'm telling you I timed it, you pansy.
Hmm, no....
Went onto the Marvel Directory and found this little gem...
Iron Fist can also utilize the combination of his own chi and his superhuman energy to heal his own injuries or to cure his own illnesses. By projecting this energy into another person, he can heal that person.
Batman and Nightwing are looking screw'der and screw'der...
Originally posted by Piedmon
Odorless, tastless gas? Sounds like a liability to me....Batman: "Hit 'em from the front, Dick!"
*Nightwing goes charging in and suddenly stumbles, clutching his mouth and hacking*
NW: There's..... something in the air here... *hack*
BM: No way, Dick, I timed it out. The gas should have dissipated by now.
NW: I'm telling you.... *coughs, drops to a knee* .....there's.... gas....
BM: I'm telling you I timed it, you pansy.
How dare you copy my style of humorous dialogue! 😠
Originally posted by Piedmon
Hmm, no....
The scenario above is extremely unlikely. Moreso do to the fact that they innoculated themselves to be immune to the gas. It would be pretty stupid for that to happen, so they have a failsafe. Like they have a protective covering in their cowl (mask) to protect against the effects of a electromagnetic pulse.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Went onto the Marvel Directory and found this little gem...Batman and Nightwing are looking screw'der and screw'der...
Yes. I've seen it happen. But he has to do it in this ritualistic manner. You know lay them down. Chant alot. Tantric sex. Light some candles.
Anyway, it takes time....and it's extremely draining for Iron Fist to do so leaving him vulnerable to attacks.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Iron Fist can use his chi to heal from whatever poison they try to put in the air, and can project said ability to his partner Cage....
Yes. I've seen it happen. But he has to do it in this ritualistic manner. You know lay them down. Chant alot. Tantric sex. Light some candles.
Anyway, it takes time....and it's extremely draining for Iron Fist to do so leaving him vulnerable to attacks.
God, the K'un L'un school of martial arts sucks the Kame Sen'nin school's cock.... still though, all Iron Fist needs is a minute screened behind his big, invulnerable buddy, and then he's a peak human (Marvel byspeak for low-level superhuman) one-man army.
All he has to do is just knock Batman or Nightwing into grabbing distance of Luke Cage. Cage isn't some unschooled thug, he knows how to fight well enough to at least grab Batman by his cape. Once Big C has either of them in his arms, he squeezes them until they pass out (this takes all of .5 seconds.)
Cage is tough enough to whether a taser shock too, for sure.
Originally posted by Piedmon
God, the K'un L'un school of martial arts sucks the Kame Sen'nin school's cock.... still though, all Iron Fist needs is a minute screened behind his big, invulnerable buddy, and then he's a peak human (Marvel byspeak for low-level superhuman) one-man army.
Oookay...
Originally posted by Piedmon
All he has to do is just knock Batman or Nightwing into grabbing distance of Luke Cage.
Highly unlikely. They'll be jumping around, swinging around, hopping around, etc. Batman wouldn't let either them get ANYWHERE near Cage. Pluse they'd take him out first THAN worry about Iron Fist. So Cage acting as a shield may not be the best idea...
Originally posted by Piedmon
Cage isn't some unschooled thug, he knows how to fight well enough to at least grab Batman by his cape.
Many a villain have tried and failed. And Batman can just simply detach the cape.
And Cage was so stupid, he failed high school...twice.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Once Big C has either of them in his arms, he squeezes them until they pass out (this takes all of .5 seconds.)
Again the likelyhood of Batman or Nightwing getting in Cage's grasp is high unlikely. Nightwing especially who shows Daredevil hell sometimes Spider-Man level agility. And Batman is just a step below him.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Cage is tough enough to whether a taser shock too, for sure.
A taser shock capable of knocking out Solomon Grundy? Nah.
Cage could stomp down more than a few of Solomon Grundy's pissant-weak incarnations.
And again, Cage isn't some villain. This isn't Killer "I'm faster and stronger than you but God forbid I just punch you in the face and split your skull my precious Bat-darling" Croc.
And Iron Fist would be more than a match for them in the air. Nightwing and Batman are good, but neither are PEAK HUMAN. That's not something you can achieve through training. It's potential that has to be unlocked, like with Cap's supersoldier formula or T'Challa's herb.
Iron Fist is stronger, faster, and at LEAST as skilled as Batman. Check out his record. He's defeated the Black Panther, if only by a narrow margin. And he doesn't have to completely defeat either of them by himself. Hell, if he just judo-chucked Nightwing into Cage's chest hard enough, it'd be the same as chucking Dick into a steel wall. A steel wall that will grab your arm and snap it.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Cage could stomp down more than a few of Solomon Grundy's pissant-weak incarnations.
I doubt it. Cage would (narrowly) manage to outsmart Grundy though...
Originally posted by Piedmon
nd again, Cage isn't some villain. This isn't Killer "I'm faster and stronger than you but God forbid I just punch you in the face and split your skull my precious Bat-darling" Croc.
Shrike is a good example. League of Assassins. Almost a match for Shiva. Tried numerous times to grab Batman's cape...and failed. Again, all Batman has to do is detach his cape.
Originally posted by Piedmon
And Iron Fist would be more than a match for them in the air. Nightwing and Batman are good, but neither are PEAK HUMAN. That's not something you can achieve through training. It's potential that has to be unlocked, like with Cap's supersoldier formula or T'Challa's herb.
Again. A great many of people would disagree with this statement. Batman and Nightwing ARE peak human. They've trained to be and it's been said numerous times in their history.
Iron Fist cannot reach neither Batman nor Nightwing in the air. Unless he has grappeling hook or something....
Originally posted by Piedmon
Iron Fist is stronger, faster, and at LEAST as skilled as Batman.
Stronger, yes. Faster, yes. But only through chi amplification. Skill is debatable. Batman and Iron Fist have both defeated top-tier characters.
Originally posted by Piedmon
And he doesn't have to completely defeat either of them by himself. Hell, if he just judo-chucked Nightwing into Cage's chest hard enough, it'd be the same as chucking Dick into a steel wall. A steel wall that will grab your arm and snap it.
Again. You're completely ignoring their gadgets. I could end this arguement right now by saying Batman pulls out his niftly gold thingyamjig and fries the brains of Iron Fist and Luke Cage via an electromagnetic pulse. Physically, they can't win. With gadgets? Most certainly, so. First rules of tactic. Disorient. Sonics and blackout gas courtesy of Dr. Midnite. Next. Seperate. Explosives. If Iron Fist somehow survives, he'll likely be seperated by Luke Cage. They can't contact each other because A) They're damn near deaf and B) They're blind. Next is to focus on the most powerful. In this case, Luke Cage. Take him down with nerve gas, EM, or microwaves. Than Iron Fist will fall.