Originally posted by NephthysSeriously, are you [b]INSANE!!!!!?????
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It's well known that I like the PT better than the OT. I'm not alone. However, it's like saying which do you like more: sex with 50 of the world's hottest ladies or sex with 51 of the world's hottest ladies.
That's a decision that's easy to make, sure...but is there REALLY that much of a difference?
No, its like having sex with 50 of the world hottest ladies or 51 of the worlds hottest pitbull terriers. I'd say theres a bit of a difference. The OT was demonstratably superior to the PT in terms of plot, characters, tone, themes, direction, art design, acting and pretty much everything else. The only thing you might say the PT was better at was special effects, and even then Lucas made it so unbelievably sterile, fake and overused them so much that I'd still put the OT above it.
And the Matrix sequals aren't even close to their predecessors level. They are decent action movies. Nothing more.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, its like having sex with 50 of the world hottest ladies or 51 of the worlds hottest pitbull terriers. I'd say theres a bit of a difference. The OT was demonstratably superior to the PT in terms of plot, characters, tone, themes, direction, art design, acting and pretty much everything else. The only thing you might say the PT was better at was special effects, and even then Lucas made it so unbelievably sterile, fake and overused them so much that I'd still put the OT above it.And the Matrix sequals aren't even close to their predecessors level. They are decent action movies. Nothing more.
I consider the PT haters to be blind fanboys about 97% of the time. I have only met one person that came up with legit reasons to hate the PT.
For the PT haters, they think that I'm a complete retard with no taste in movies.
I will definitely never change my opinion and neither will the PT haters. It's a futile argument.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I am interested. What do I search for? Can't you give me a link?
Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
I'd love to read it.
It'd take me like...30 minutes of searching. That's too much. You spend 30 minutes searching if you guys are dying to read it.
Besides, why would I spend 30 minutes searching for a thread just for you guys just to whine at me in giant posts that do nothing to actually contradict anything I've stated? (Cause, no matter what, it's opinion.) That's like asking a slave to go make a super duper awesome whip that takes forever to make...just for you to try and whip me with it as soon as I hand it to you. That's not very motivational.
Edit - It boiled down to this: the PT is better than the OT in just about every single "movie" measure you can think of.
The problem with the original trilogy is how much it's wanked.
The storyline is simplistic and uninspired. All of the characters minus Vader are generic and pretty much one sided. The themes are black and white and obvious. etc. etc. There's a bunch of plot points that don't make sense or are sloppy (like the god damn space ship sized ventilator shafts in the Death Stars). etc.
The OT is only good because its special FX were stellar for it's time and it made an entire generation fall in love with it. If the OT were released now, it would probably get shit reviews.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The problem with the original trilogy is how much it's wanked.The storyline is simplistic and uninspired. All of the characters minus Vader are generic and pretty much one sided. The themes are black and white and obvious. etc. etc. There's a bunch of plot points that don't make sense or are sloppy (like the god damn space ship sized ventilator shafts in the Death Stars). etc.
The OT is only good because its special FX were stellar for it's time and it made an entire generation fall in love with it. If the OT were released now, it would probably get shit reviews.
Indeed. Other "fantasy" stories existed around that time. Krull was quite awesome, when it came out (and still a great fantasy story, today), but it wasn't nearly as "fantastic" of a trip as Star Wars.
And, yeah, there's so many plot problems with the OT that's absurd.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Well duh the movies are'nt the greatest movies on the face of the planetdoes'nt mean its they're bad.
Well, we disagree there, as well: I think they ARE the greatest movies on the face of the planet: all six of them. My top ten list consists of the PT, OT, and Matrix trilogy and a 10th spot that is a revolving door, based on my mood (Equilibrium is up there, at times.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
I blame the "blankie syndrome" on that hate for the PT. What do I mean by "blankie syndrome"? I mean that these people have attachments to their "blankie" and cannot give it up. Some children will not let go of a small blanket that they've had while growing up and it is near impossible to get them to let go of it. The OT is their "blankie". They have gone as far as to try and justify their positions in elaborate manners rather than just giving up their "blankies." Now, this is not to say that everyone in this thread fits that category: some of you have legitimate complaints about the PT, and such. However, I notice a lot of Star Wars blankie syndrome on KMC and it annoys me, but I am happy to say that there are several of you that like the PT better than the OT.Not matter what GL did, OT fanboys would have hated the PT. There was nothing to avoid that.
Fact is, the PT is better in almost every single facet.
Better acting.
Better effects.
Better story.
Better characters.
Better cinematography.
Better fantasy elements.
Better movie score.
Better sound and sound effects.
Ground breaking effects has to go to the OT, hands down.
Wow factor, however, has to go to the PT, easily.Any time I hear some fanboy say that the OT acting is better than the PT, I just remind them of Luke Skywalker and/or link them to Luke's whine fest against Vader in ESB: quite shitty acting and it should make any normal person laugh.
Hayden was whiny?
Ha!
Hamil was much whinier in the first two OT films.
There was no ground breaking efforts in the PT? Sure, maybe if we are speaking only about RoTS, but the fact is, Lucas and his team made leaps of CGI progress in TPM. They made even more progress in AoTC. The kept that advances from AoTC and used that in RotS. If some were as big of "Star Wars" fans as they profess, they would know that.
That said, I still think both the OT and PT are some of the best movies of all time. All 6 of them go in my top 20. I love them shits really really badly. 🙁
Edit - Side note, I've gotta give props to my boy, darthmaul1, for approaching the PT movies with an open mind and judging the films exactly for what they were: excellent films. I wish every Star Wars fanboy approached the PT like that: we might have had much better Star Wars goodness than what we have now but the haters may have prevented us from getting anymore films. GL was thinking about doing episodes 7, 8, and 9, when he was working on TPM...but he changed his mind somwhere between AoTC and RotS. If he had gotten almost universal praise, his distaste for all of that hard work might have been outweighed by the love he got. Just saying that you haters may have prevented the best episodes from being made into GL-level quality of films. For that, I hate you. 😐 (not really, I still love you guys.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
LOLI found the PT acting to be superior than the OT.
Observe:
I found the character development in the PT to be better as well.
There was also a larger number of talented actors in the PT, as well. The writing in the PT was good...but not anything great...I'd say that there were high and low points to the writing in each so I'm not choosing one on this point. Originality has to go to the OT...but even that is questionable...the late 70s and early 80s was quite packed with original sci-fi flicks.
It would seem most of the reasons you give are typical "blankie" examples. Too close-minded to face the reality that he PT was better than the OT.
Oh well. It's opinion anyway.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I am your first example then.This is how I rank the star wars films in how much I enjoyed the films...you know, the thing they were made to do.
!. Ep 3 I loved this one a lot. one of my favs of all time.
2. Ep 2
3. Ep 6
4. Ep 1
5. Ep 5
6. Ep 4All of the other movies are fairly close. I rank ROTJ ahead of any of the other movies simply because I liked it more. I could go into details but you would argue with them...it is an opinion.
When people were disappointed when TPM came out...I was rather pissed. I thought it was much better the OT movies except ROTJ! After a while, I figured out why: everyone was treating the OT as a "blankie" that they couldn't let go of despite the reality the the PT could be better if they would let go of their "blankies". It is sentiment.
Also, Harrison Ford's character, Han Solo, really helped the OT trilogy out. I think that if you take him out of the picture, the OT would lose a lot of its popularity. The same can't be said of the other characters. (By that, I mean Harrison Ford and the "scoudrelness" of Han Solo.)
Originally posted by NephthysI think the point that you're missing is that the OT isn't any less fail than the PT is, it's just that because it's iconic it's hard to see it.
I'm pretty sure I never said the OT wasn't without flaws. It's just that they're superior to the prequels in pretty much every single way. Which isn't hard, because the prequels suck a huge steaming turb of utter ****ing fail.