[QUOTE=5560982]Originally posted by Draco69
I suffer from sleep deprivation and have several papers and finals to do.
Yeah, I'm pretty crappy....I SO better get an X-Box 360 for X-mas.... [/QUOT
that sucks. ya I hope I get xbox 360 also thou in my area there sold out. also good luck with ur papers and finals
Iceman cannot drop Wolverine's temperature to absolute zero because his healing factor stops the drop in temperature. It's one of his abilities and I showed scans to prove it. How can you reach absolute zero with energy hitting you from every direction? You're straight trippin'
One of the other members stated that Iceman dropping temperature to absolute zer0 is hyperbole. There ya go.
You have given no evidence to contradict that Wolverine has some mutant resistance to cold. You posted pictures of people running into water. I'm aware of people doing that, and I'm also aware of the duration of their "swim" 😆 But really, nice try. Even that short swim drops their body temperature. They must get out before hypothermia sets in.
One of you says Iceman will use the water in Wolverine's body. I disagree. The composition of his fluids is not known to you and it's likely that they aren't subject to manipulation by cold.. as you can see from the scans i posted.
Once again, Iceman in Death Valley, in the middle of Summer will lose to Wolverine. It's too hot. It's too dry. Wolverine is too much.
Originally posted by scotsmnNo it doesn't. At best it could repair the cell damage inflicted by fluids freezing and crystallizing within his cells puncturing the cell membranes. Too much damage would still kill him. Your scans show him wading around in liquid state water.
Iceman cannot drop Wolverine's temperature to absolute zero because his healing factor stops the drop in temperature. It's one of his abilities and I showed scans to prove it. How can you reach absolute zero with energy hitting you from every direction? You're straight trippin'
Originally posted by scotsmnRegardless of whether he can drop the temperature to absolute zero (which is far less dubious than Wolverine surviving absolute zero by healing from thermodynamics 🙄 ) he doesn't need to attain those temperatures or anywhere close to freeze Wolverine.
One of the other members stated that Iceman dropping temperature to absolute zer0 is hyperbole. There ya go.
Originally posted by scotsmnIceman doesn't inflict mere hypothermia. He can freeze the blood, the moisture in the lungs, the cerebrospinal fluid in the brain.
You have given no evidence to contradict that Wolverine has some mutant resistance to cold. You posted pictures of people running into water. I'm aware of people doing that, and I'm also aware of the duration of their "swim" 😆 But really, nice try. Even that short swim drops their body temperature. They must get out before hypothermia sets in.
Originally posted by scotsmnWhat wading around in a cold environment in unfrozen water? He has blood, he has CSF, he breathes air, he eats, he drinks, he presumably urinates and defecates.
One of you says Iceman will use the water in Wolverine's body. I disagree. The composition of his fluids is not known to you and it's likely that they aren't subject to manipulation by cold.. as you can see from the scans i posted.
Originally posted by scotsmnAir is humidified to around 75% RH when inspired. He still has blood, CSF etc. Wolverine can do nothing to Iceman.
Once again, Iceman in Death Valley, in the middle of Summer will lose to Wolverine. It's too hot. It's too dry. Wolverine is too much.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No it doesn't. At best it could repair the cell damage inflicted by fluids freezing and crystallizing within his cells puncturing the cell membranes. Too much damage would still kill him.
How much is too much damage? Wolverine has yet to die from damage. But still, there is no proof that cold would cause damage. Is Wolverine's "blood" like yours and mine? Probably not, he IS a mutant. Human blood may freeze at x temperature but other fluids do not. Nitrogen has a much lower freezing point for example. (just an example of a fluid with this property, not saying his "blood" is made out of hydrogen)
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Your scans show him wading around in liquid state water.
Regardless of whether he can drop the temperature to absolute zero (which is far less dubious than Wolverine surviving absolute zero by healing from thermodynamics 🙄 )
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
he doesn't need to attain those temperatures or anywhere close to freeze Wolverine.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Iceman doesn't inflict mere hypothermia. He can freeze the blood, the moisture in the lungs, the cerebrospinal fluid in the brain.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What wading around in a cold environment in unfrozen water? He has blood, he has CSF, he breathes air, he eats, he drinks, he presumably urinates and defecates.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Air is humidified to around 75% RH when inspired. He still has blood, CSF etc. Wolverine can do nothing to Iceman.
Originally posted by scotsmnNitrogen exists as a gas environmentally. "His blood is made of nitrogen." Congratulations. You just crossed the threshold from idiot to retard.
How much is too much damage? Wolverine has yet to die from damage. But still, there is no proof that cold would cause damage. Is Wolverine's "blood" like yours and mine? Probably not, he IS a mutant. Human blood may freeze at x temperature but other fluids do not. Nitrogen has a much lower freezing point for example. (just an example of a fluid with this property, not saying his "blood" is made out of hydrogen)
Originally posted by scotsmnThe surface of the water should freeze at the very least. Snow forms at high altitude, it doesn't form on the ground.
You are assuming that the temperature is not less than the temperature needed to freeze water. That quantity of water needs a certain amount of time to freeze over. You did notice the snow... which is fluffy ice... did you not? It can just as easily be argued that the existance of snow proves that the temperature IS below freezing.
Originally posted by scotsmnWishful thinking... on my part? Dramatic irony amuses me.
Says you. Wolverine's fluid composition is not known to you. For you to think otherwise is simply wishful thinking. He obviousy has some level of resistance to cold. Look at the scans. He is not dipping into a pool and drying off. He is sitting down on the ice and eating a fish afterwards.. still completely naked. He does this kind of thing often. Is he different? Yeah. Physics doesn't always apply in comic books.
Originally posted by scotsmnHe has a healing factor. He has no immunity to temperatures, he burns and heals from the damage, he freezes and heals from the damage. Too much damage kills him.
Perhaps in a non-mutant. One without the power to withstand his body from dropping in temperature and/or it not causing him any harm.
Originally posted by scotsmnLike nitrogen... 😆
You are thinking of the fluids in his body as "water" when they may in fact be something else.
Originally posted by scotsmnSuperman is an alien from Krypton. Wolverine is a human being with additional abilities. Mutants and humans can still interbreed, they are not entirely dissociated species.
Do you realize how much water you would get out of 75% humidity air from the volume in Wolverine's lungs? almost nothing... Besides, that figure is for.. a human? What's to say that applies to Wolverine? Does Superman humify at around 75%?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nitrogen exists as a gas environmentally. "His blood is made of nitrogen." Congratulations. You just crossed the threshold from idiot to retard.
The surface of the water should freeze at the very least. Snow forms at high altitude, it doesn't form on the ground.
Wishful thinking... on my part? Dramatic irony amuses me.
He has a healing factor. He has no immunity to temperatures, he burns and heals from the damage, he freezes and heals from the damage. Too much damage kills him.
Like nitrogen... 😆
Superman is an alien from Krypton. Wolverine is a human being with additional abilities. Mutants and humans can still interbreed, they are not entirely dissociated species.
By your logic, since Iceman can breed with other humans he is susceptible to cold.... doesn't work that way. Each mutant is completely different. Some mutants can even turn completely into ICE!!!
You probably didn't read the first part you quoted. Try reading it again. Pay particular attention to the part in parenthesis 🙂 Try again?
Surface of the water freezing? it starts at the edges and works its way in. The faster the water is running the longer it takes for the middle to freeze over. There is a waterfall right next to where he goes into the water.
Crack some more nitrogen jokes.. they're entertaining seeing as how I never said he has nitrogen running through his body 😆
Originally posted by scotsmnYou were basically implying that his blood is made of a mystery substance that can't be frozen. So what is his blood made of...? Bullshit speculation?
By your logic, since Iceman can breed with other humans he is susceptible to cold.... doesn't work that way. Each mutant is completely different. Some mutants can even turn completely into ICE!!!You probably didn't read the first part you quoted. Try reading it again. Pay particular attention to the part in parenthesis 🙂 Try again?
Surface of the water freezing? it starts at the edges and works its way in. The faster the water is running the longer it takes for the middle to freeze over. There is a waterfall right next to where he goes into the water.
Crack some more nitrogen jokes.. they're entertaining seeing as how I never said he has nitrogen running through his body 😆
Colossus is a mutant, he changes to organic steel, in which form he can be frozen. His anatomical composition changes as part of his powers, he can still be frozen.
Emma Frost also a mutant, her blood can be frozen. In fact almost every other mutant there is can be frozen... except Wolverine...? Yeah....
1. Iceman can kill Wolverine with ease.
2. Wolverine can do nothing to hurt or kill Iceman.
"You were basically implying that his blood is made of a mystery substance that can't be frozen. So what is his blood made of...? Bullshit speculation?
Colossus is a mutant, he changes to organic steel, in which form he can be frozen. His anatomical composition changes as part of his powers, he can still be frozen.
Emma Frost also a mutant, her blood can be frozen. In fact almost every other mutant there is can be frozen... except Wolverine...? Yeah...."
Now you are on the right track. Nitrogen? No. Something else which exibits properties similar to Nitrogen? Perhaps.
Colossus is not Wolverine...
Emma Frost is not Wolverine...
Why are you using people who are very different from Wolverine as examples? It doesn't make sense. Hulk is more similar in that at least he has a healing factor. Guess what.... he is ALSO extremely resistant to cold. Hmm, could it be that the healing factor just might have something to do with it? Could it be that their bodies don't work the same way as yours and mine?
I have shown through my scans that he is not affected by severely cold temperatures. You have shown no scans of him being susceptible to cold. At least I have provided evidence directly relating to Wolverine while you have not.
I can see we aren't getting anywhere so this will be my last post in this thread. You can have the pleasure of posting last but like your other posts, I doubt it will offer any proof that Wolverine is susceptible to a lower temperature than he has already been exposed to.
Wolverine wins by consuming a part of him, if it comes down to it. Healing factor will take care of it from there.
Originally posted by scotsmnHulk's mass is derived from an extradimensional source. "Wolverine's body has no water in it." Right...
Now you are on the right track. Nitrogen? No. Something else which exibits properties similar to Nitrogen? Perhaps.Colossus is not Wolverine...
Emma Frost is not Wolverine...
Why are you using people who are very different from Wolverine as examples? It doesn't make sense. Hulk is more similar in that at least he has a healing factor. Guess what.... he is ALSO extremely resistant to cold. Hmm, could it be that the healing factor just might have something to do with it? Could it be that their bodies don't work the same way as yours and mine?
Originally posted by scotsmnUh... there are two sides to this. Do Iceman's abilities not matter in "Iceman vs Wolverine."
I have shown through my scans that he is not affected by severely cold temperatures. You have shown no scans of him being susceptible to cold. At least I have provided evidence directly relating to Wolverine while you have not.
The scans you show (don't show an incredibly extreme cold) nor do they show that it is cold derived from Iceman's powers. Iceman's lower temperatures may affect differently. See I can bullshit speculate too. Provide evidence of him not being affected by Iceman derived low temperatures.
Originally posted by scotsmnI.e. your posts are sheer idiocy? Okay. I'm not susceptible to environmental 23 degrees Celcius. I'm not susceptible to environmental temperature of 10 degrees Celcius. That doesn't mean I'm not susceptible to internal temperatures of -100 degrees Celsius.
I can see we aren't getting anywhere so this will be my last post in this thread. You can have the pleasure of posting last but like your other posts, I doubt it will offer any proof that Wolverine is susceptible to a lower temperature than he has already been exposed to.
Originally posted by scotsmnOh wait that won't work since he is composed of water molecules indistinguishable from any other water molecules and can teleport through ambient atmospheric water, and is a hydrokinetic and cryokinetic.
Wolverine wins by consuming a part of him, if it comes down to it. Healing factor will take care of it from there.