Originally posted by Odekahn
I flipped through the entire thing and didn't find it. There is a robot that gets destroyed in the way you're talking about, but it isn't Ultron. Maybe you are misremembering?
The link scan he provided clearly shows wasp saying hulk dented lute on and made an opening that allowed wasp to get inside and destroy the internals...
Course it was a later ultron that differentiated between the prime (primary adamantium) ultron and his secondary adamantium drones...
For all we know all ultra s prior or some could have been made of secondary...
And the prior ultron to secret wars was defeated by machine man by reaching down ultrona throat and destroying the internals...
Ultron has since been upgraded so you can't really say the same method would work
Originally posted by DTM
I dont believe Superman capable of damaging Primary Adamantium, such Ultrons literally laughed when hit in the face by Thor and Wonder Man together. Now Id say Superman is stronger than Thor, but not by That much, not to the level that Thors hammer strikes do nothing to Ultron, but Superman can rip into him - not even close.
Potentially Superman can damage adamantium. He has to let loose though and be at high end levels.
But just hitting Ultron hard enough will damage his internal circuits. Superman using his speed can damage all of them (or enough) to get a ko.
Originally posted by h1a8
Potentially Superman can damage adamantium. He has to let loose though and be at high end levels.But just hitting Ultron hard enough will damage his internal circuits. Superman using his speed can damage all of them (or enough) to get a ko.
On an older model of Ultron I would agree with you. But Ultron has evolved past being defeated so easily.
Originally posted by h1a8
Potentially Superman can damage adamantium. He has to let loose though and be at high end levels.But just hitting Ultron hard enough will damage his internal circuits. Superman using his speed can damage all of them (or enough) to get a ko.
I don't know if "just hitting" ultron will damage his internal circuits... I mean if guys like Thor aren't damaging the internals there's no saying superman will either.
As far as damaging primary adamantium? Maybe. I believe it was a gotg issue that said there were more indestructible alloys found in the future then adamantium but that was 90s issues I believe and they could have changed all that by now..
Originally posted by rotiart
I don't know if "just hitting" ultron will damage his internal circuits... I mean if guys like Thor aren't damaging the internals there's no saying superman will either.As far as damaging primary adamantium? Maybe. I believe it was a gotg issue that said there were more indestructible alloys found in the future then adamantium but that was 90s issues I believe and they could have changed all that by now..
Comics are inconsistent. You have a strong character hit Ultron and not destroy his inner circuits and you have the times that it happens.
Cap even documented that he didn't like the adamantium shield replacement since it didn't absorb impacts. That means the kinetic energy is transferred through adamantium to the other side.
Classic Thor was highly inconsistent. Thor was either hitting Ultron like a pussy that day or it was just inconsistent writing.
Bottom line: If adamantium doesn't absorb impact then the kinetic energy has to penetrate through it and damage anything that's on the other side. That's why Ultron tried several times to combine his adamantium with vibranium. The avengers stopped him from doing that since they know he would have been truly unstoppable then.
Originally posted by h1a8
Comics are inconsistent. You have a strong character hit Ultron and not destroy his inner circuits and you have the times that it happens.Cap even documented that he didn't like the adamantium shield replacement since it didn't absorb impacts. That means the kinetic energy is transferred through adamantium to the other side.
Classic Thor was highly inconsistent. Thor was either hitting Ultron like a pussy that day or it was just inconsistent writing.
Bottom line: If adamantium doesn't absorb impact then the kinetic energy has to penetrate through it and damage anything that's on the other side. That's why Ultron tried several times to combine his adamantium with vibranium. The avengers stopped him from doing that since they know he would have been truly unstoppable then.
Maybe that's what future Ultron will be like in AoU. You know, the one that took over marvel earth. The one we haven't actually seen yet? (I'm irritated at bendis for that)
But I still say he has evolved past physically damaging his inner parts. And again even if they do he will auto repair himself.
Originally posted by h1a8
Comics are inconsistent. You have a strong character hit Ultron and not destroy his inner circuits and you have the times that it happens.Cap even documented that he didn't like the adamantium shield replacement since it didn't absorb impacts. That means the kinetic energy is transferred through adamantium to the other side.
Classic Thor was highly inconsistent. Thor was either hitting Ultron like a pussy that day or it was just inconsistent writing.
Bottom line: If adamantium doesn't absorb impact then the kinetic energy has to penetrate through it and damage anything that's on the other side. That's why Ultron tried several times to combine his adamantium with vibranium. The avengers stopped him from doing that since they know he would have been truly unstoppable then.
Which issue has someone hiring Ultron hard enough it messed his internals? I don't know that it's actually happened in the lady decade of comics. You can't compare Ultron to most villains since he upgrades wiith each new body he creates. Other villains can't and don't do that...
Someone like cyclops for example doesn't get stronger... Merely more experience. But phalanx ultron is notably different than secret wars for example
Originally posted by rotiart
Which issue has someone hiring Ultron hard enough it messed his internals? I don't know that it's actually happened in the lady decade of comics. You can't compare Ultron to most villains since he upgrades wiith each new body he creates. Other villains can't and don't do that...Someone like cyclops for example doesn't get stronger... Merely more experience. But phalanx ultron is notably different than secret wars for example
Originally posted by rotiart
Which issue has someone hiring Ultron hard enough it messed his internals? I don't know that it's actually happened in the lady decade of comics. You can't compare Ultron to most villains since he upgrades wiith each new body he creates. Other villains can't and don't do that...Someone like cyclops for example doesn't get stronger... Merely more experience. But phalanx ultron is notably different than secret wars for example
Every single mutant gets stronger.
Originally posted by curryman
Every single mutant gets stronger.
You say gets stronger, I say gets more experience with their powers and finds the limits to their powers.
Some mutants have secondary evolutions... but my point is that ultron evolves like iron mans armor evolves. You wouldn't compare the classic armor to the extremis. you shouldn't compare 80s ultron to today. period.
and really? trying to compare "every single mutant" gets stronger? Did Callisto?
Originally posted by rotiart
You say gets stronger, I say gets more experience with their powers and finds the limits to their powers.Some mutants have secondary evolutions... but my point is that ultron evolves like iron mans armor evolves. You wouldn't compare the classic armor to the extremis. you shouldn't compare 80s ultron to today. period.
and really? trying to compare "every single mutant" gets stronger? Did Callisto?
Colossus used to be able to lift 5 ton at the most.
Callisto got a TON stronger and developed new powers.
Their power generally increases and/or they develop additional ones. Secondary evolutions are a good example but a bit more extreme then what I'm thinking of.
Originally posted by curryman
Colossus used to be able to lift 5 ton at the most.Callisto got a TON stronger [b]and
developed new powers.Their power generally increases and/or they develop additional ones. Secondary evolutions are a good example but a bit more extreme then what I'm thinking of. [/B]
I'm gonna try and bring this back to what its about.
Ultron today is not the same as the Ultron people are trying to compare to. His strengths and weaknesses are not all identifable as the same. For example the one that overtook tony stark was able to hack the weather... there was one made of regular non adamantium metals...
And where as in the past someone may have damaged the internals.. it hasn't been repeated since...
P.S. If you wanna debate me about how mutants differ from ultron send me a pm. otherwise lets stop both derailing this with side stuff about mutants.