Originally posted by botankus
Don't forget that people have been saying "Seasons Greetings" for decades.
Point well taken 😄
I say "Merry Christmas" because that's how I was raised. It was known as Christmas and still is. I also have no problem with "Happy Holidays" because it specifies that while it is a holiday season, no specific religion is being forced, it's just a recognition of the current holiday season.
However, this new thing with taking Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny off the Coke cans? WTF? How are THEY pushing religion down anyone's throat?
That's the one area that pisses me with people who are so PC-they either try to make it sound THEIR way, or failing in that, try to alter the holiday so that NOONE can have it, under the guise of fairness to all.
The biggest hypocritical move of all...banning something under fairness to everyone to suit your own outcome.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, God Bless? Who cares, man? It's a holiday, so let's celebrate! 😄
Originally posted by debbiejo
Even though Christmas isn't really the birthday of Jesus and more the birthday of the Sun god Mithra, we could always say Merry Mirthra day...I have noticed in schools that instead of Christmas break, it's now called Winter Break...
Hell, if was really a Winter Break, the days off would be in January and February, not December!
Originally posted by debbiejo
Even though Christmas isn't really the birthday of Jesus and more the birthday of the Sun god Mithra, we could always say Merry Mirthra day...I have noticed in schools that instead of Christmas break, it's now called Winter Break...
I always was impressed by something. You know how the city of Bethlehem is supposed to be Jesus' birthplace? It's odd how Arabs and Jews spend 364 days a year fighting over the West Bank, and yet they always have a truce on Christmas Eve going into Christmas Day because they BOTH recognize the religious importance of the area.
If they can get along for ONE day, I'd like to see the rest of the 364 days too. And BTW-Winter Break sounds pretty cool too, we could always use a break from winter. 🙂
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
However, this new thing with taking Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny off the Coke cans? WTF? How are THEY pushing religion down anyone's throat?
a flawed point.
if jews came up with a 'hanukkah fairy' does that mean we should have that pushed in our faces, since clearly it has nothing to do with judaism?
however it comes to my point, if neo-cons are so concerned with the birth of christ taking precidence over other holidays, why do they tolerate the dominating element of pagan rituals? apart from the occasional nativity scene and like 2 of the many christmas carols, jesus has been completely erased from his own birthday. why are they not outraged by this?
its nothing more than pissing and moaning based on nothing.
someone should write a childrens book about these people.
"the grinch who politicised christmas" starring bill oreilly
Originally posted by PVS
a flawed point.
if jews came up with a 'hanukkah fairy' does that mean we should have that pushed in our faces, since clearly it has nothing to do with judaism?however it comes to my point, if neo-cons are so concerned with the birth of christ taking precidence over other holidays, why do they tolerate the dominating element of pagan rituals? apart from the occasional nativity scene and like 2 of the many christmas carols, jesus has been completely erased from his own birthday. why are they not outraged by this?
its nothing more than pissing and moaning based on nothing.
someone should write a childrens book about these people.
"the grinch who politicised christmas" starring bill oreilly
Well the last part of the post may be true, but it's just that I don't see the threat Old St. Nick poses. He dosen't look that menacing, does he? There again "Silent Night Deadly Night" showed us the dark side of Santa, lol
While we aren't true to the religions to the black letter, using what are seen as pagan symbols to symbolise the holiday..well in it's own right, would this perhaps have been an insider decision of the lawmakers of the day because they wanted a neutral symbol so as to not make it look like TRUE religious symbols were being pushed in their agenda?
Sort of like the way the Spaniards allowed certain people in the Americas and Africa to symbolize Catholicism with a black Virgin Mary.
Perhaps it was their way of saying, "yeah it's not what we wanted, but it got them into the religion." Saying in essence that it was better to celebrate the religion with what they have versus what they wanted. I dunno. Hope that makes some sense?
a) I think Backfire put it nicely.
b) I sometimes cannot believe the hypocrisy of certain people - someone please explain to me why is it so bad to respect Christian's holiday.
Thats like saying ''Happy Ead'' is offencive to Atheists, Christians, Hindus and Jews and Muslims are not allowed to say it anymore. Instead they will say ''happy holiday''.
Thats the biggest pile of bullshit i have ever heard.
If you don't want to celebrate Christmas - dont. noone would give a shit.
But have at least that much decency to say ''Marry christmas'' to those whom are celebrating it.
This whole ''anti-christian revolution'' is getting little tiresome. People who are seeing something wrong with saying ''Marry Christmas'' have become the same bible bashing people they are trying to shame.
You are actually, exactly the same as each other. Both bigoted and filled with hate.
Religious ''tolerance''? You don't know the meaning of the phrase.
Originally posted by debbiejo
2 years ago I sent out Happy Hanukkah cards just to throw people off....I wish I had Mithra Cards for this year.
If it weren't so late already, I'd say give me some info and I'll design them for you 😛
Anyway, I think this whole 'anti-Christmas' thing is silly. There's very little religion left in it - it's become mostly commercialized, really. Now, I can understand not wanting a manger scene in a public school, but otherwise.....who cares? I mean, we used to put up Christmas trees in my school for German Club. No one ever had a fit over that.
At my work, we have Christmas decorations all over, a big Christmas tree.....none of us that work there care, and none of th customers care. Everyone likes it, actually, little kids especially. Because it's not that big a deal.
There really is such a thing as being TOO PC.
PVS - nice job 😄
Originally posted by Lana
PVS - nice job 😄
thanks 😊
as far as the whole 'anti-christmas' thing, just stop and think for a moment.
when have you experienced anyone who is anti-christmas. when have you met someone who is offended by christmas? anyone? i know i never did.
"happy holidays" is simply a phrase which includes all persons of faith. you can say it and not be concerned whether or not you gave a proper greeting since its a one size fits all well wishing. so i say 'happy holidays' to strangers by habit. i dont see this as being anti-christmas at all, but rather accomodating to everyone...which kinda goes with the christmas spirit, doesnt it?
anyway, i have never in my life seen a jew, muslem, hindu etc. offended by the phrase "merry christmas", in fact as backfire alludes to, people tend to appreciate any good will you offer them.
no, what i really see is an anti-anti christmas movement. demigogs whipping people into a frenzy over an imaginary battle against an imaginary enemy. the very name "war on christmas" is utterly tasteless and whoever coined it is worthy of a good stoning, especially considering the "war on terror" which is consuming countless lives as people at home bicker over trite nonesense.
its just an illusion. dont believe me? next time you meet someone of a different faith upon departing wish them a merry christmas. i bet they will say "thank you". perhaps with an awkward smile but still with appreciation.
so dont buy into this bullshit
Originally posted by PVS
"happy holidays" is simply a phrase which includes all persons of faith.
Which is fine to say on a 1st of July.
This is a holiday celebrated by the people of particular religion, and many people of other religions will make an effort to say ''Marry Christmas'', just as I make an effort to say ''Assalamu Alakium'' to my Muslim friend, instead of ''Greetings'' and just as they make an effort to say ''Namaste'' to me.
I would make an effort to say 'Mary christmas' to a Christian who is celebtrating it, instead of ''Happy Holidays'' out of respect, if anything.
You live in a country founded by people of certain religion - and if you cannot repsect that because of your blind hateret for political agenda, then perhaps the problem doesn't lie with people who are celebrating Christmas.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You live in a country founded by people of certain religion - and if you cannot repsect that because of your blind hateret for political agenda, then perhaps the problem lies within you.
perhaps you are tagging too many assumptions on me 😬
i say happy holidays because well...thats what i do.
my whole point is either way, nobody gives a shit.
i would rather wish people well on the holidays than
be concerned with meaningless differences in phrasing
in some attempt to feel superior in cultural knowledge,
as well as having the belief that i can tell the religion
of complete strangers. thats right, go back and read my post.
you will see that i say "happy holidays" to strangers, not friends/family.
if i know someone's faith, i may wish them well accordingly or i may
just say "happy holidays". either way, i will feel comfortable and they
will feel appreciative and vice versa.
to say that by not addressing someone based on their faith is disrespectful,
you pretty much exemplify the problem, which is the act of being offended when someone is simply wishing you well. where is the logic in that?
Originally posted by Lana
If I don't know what holiday someone celebrates, or don't know the proper greeting/well-wishing for a holiday, I just say "Merry Christmas and happy holidays". It has yet to offend anyone, and I don't see why it's a big deal.
EXACTLY
and just as a social experiment, simply say "merry christmas" to everyone and ill bet anything that not a soul will take offense.