Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What a painful and evil way of looking at the human condition. Do you not see that the idea that you have conveyed about is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus. Yes, there are parts of the bible that are untrue and not in agreement with the teachings of Jesus.
Nothing I have said is contrary to the teachings of Jesus. The same ten commandments of the Old Testament apply to Jesus. He Himself said that He has not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it.
Originally posted by debbiejo
You did.....just wondered what law as all....and yes, I've read Job..Who says human minds hate god?
The human mind hates God. The God I am referring to is the God of the OT and NT--same God. Ancient Israel hated God, they did not want God to rule over them, they wanted a human king. In Jesus' time, humans hated God, they devised their concept of what God was, and when God came, they were angry because He did not fulfill what they expected...they crucified Him. Present Day: humanity still hates God. Now many profess love for God, but when it comes to doing what God says, they reason around it (so as not to confuse anyone, I am referring to God's Commandments and statutes as listed in the OT and still relevant in the NT). "I love God, BUT..." some say or "I love Jesus, BUT..." others will say. We hate God and God knows this. He sent Prophets...we killed or exiled them. He sends Jesus...we kill Him. God speaks in this day and age, we ignore or curse God. We ridicule God, use The Father and Son's Name in vain. We ask that God stays out of our lives until we run into problems, then we call for God or blame God for what happens to us. We have to examine ourselves and truly realize that YES we hate God.
Originally posted by KPrince
Nothing I have said is contrary to the teachings of Jesus. The same ten commandments of the Old Testament apply to Jesus. He Himself said that He has not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. ...
It is just my opinion. BTW I have read the bible and I know the teachings of Jesus, I do not agree with the teachings of Paul. I believe Paul's teachings differer from those of Jesus. But this is just my opinion, and I respect that you have a different one.
Well KPrince, I don't hate god at all, I just have a different view of god, much larger than the Bible...I know there are only 2 cammandments from Jesus, and it is said that the first 4 are to love god, and the last 6 are how to love man......But still Jesus and Paul did differ......If you only take what Jesus said....It would be to love god, and to love people...That is all that is neededKPrince, do you still believe in the OT commandments?....Are you SDA?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well KPrince, I don't hate god at all, I just have a different view of god, much larger than the Bible...I know there are only 2 cammandments from Jesus, and it is said that the first 4 are to love god, and the last 6 are how to love man......But still Jesus and Paul did differ......If you only take what Jesus said....It would be to love god, and to love people...That is all that is neededKPrince, do you still believe in the OT commandments?....Are you SDA?
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." Spoken by Jesus in John 14:15
Do I still believe in the OT commandments? Yes.
Am I SDA? What is SDA? Seventh Day Adventist? If so, then No, I am not SDA.
😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
No SDA...OK..sure,Then Jesus' 2 commandments were
1. love god
2. Love peopleNothing else.
Now a person has to have a working definition of what love god is.
I see your argument about Jesus' "two" commandments. Actually, the "two" commandments Jesus was referring to are indeed the Ten given to ancient Israel in the OT.
And I am not SDA, I assure you. 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
But you keep on winking at me....are you SDA?I am not SDA 🙄 😆
So then, love people, and love god....That's it right?
Yes, but this is easier said than done, which is why Paul said that the human mind is enmity against God. We hate God's commandments, call them oppressive and restraining. I spoke to you about the Two Trees in another thread. What happened at the Garden of Eden explains mankind's "enmity" towards God. You read the Bible debbiejo, you read where time and time again God says that people rejected Him, they rejected His Son, and they rejected His apostles and profits. Why? Paul explained why. It is as true today as it was anciently, and as strange as it seems--it is true--humanity hates God.
Originally posted by KPrince
Yes, but this is easier said than done, which is why Paul said that the human mind is enmity against God. We hate God's commandments, call them oppressive and restraining. I spoke to you about the Two Trees in another thread. What happened at the Garden of Eden explains mankind's "enmity" towards God. You read the Bible debbiejo, you read where time and time again God says that people rejected Him, they rejected His Son, and they rejected His apostles and profits. Why? Paul explained why. It is as true today as it was anciently, and as strange as it seems--it is true--humanity hates God.
Paul, Paul, Not Paul..He taught much against much of what Jesus taught, and the OT.....Just speak of what Jesus taught.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul, Paul, Not Paul..He taught much against much of what Jesus taught, and the OT.....Just speak of what Jesus taught.
You and Paul... 🙄 😆
Anyways, the "two" commandments of Jesus, as I said before, are in fact the Ten of the OT, and it is these commandments that man rejects. God has said over and over that they reject Him (by Him I mean the Father who is the Law Giver, not to confuse anyone). Jesus was rejected too.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul, Paul, Not Paul..He taught much against much of what Jesus taught, and the OT.....Just speak of what Jesus taught.
If I must stay with Jesus' quotes than so be it.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me." John 14:23-24
Then Jesus got even more specific, when He said "But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do..." John 14:31
So if we Love God (The Father and His Son Jesus) then we will keep the commandments of God.
Originally posted by KPrinceOH, you noticed my problem with Paul... 😎 Even the Jews will look at what Jesus taught, but know Paul spoke much differently then the OT taught....Personally I feel Paul screwed up the church teachings....
You and Paul... 🙄 😆Anyways, the "two" commandments of Jesus, as I said before, are in fact the Ten of the OT, and it is these commandments that man rejects. God has said over and over that they reject Him (by Him I mean the Father who is the Law Giver, not to confuse anyone). Jesus was rejected too.
Jesus was more in line with the big 10, but Paul added his own views on things...
As for Jesus being god, that open for interpretation.........mmmm hmmm...yep....
I feel Jesus was telling us we could become like him, one with the father, and father really isn't male, since a god couldn't be male or female...what and why would it....It was for familiarity....Father or Mother.....Just like in Proverbs, wisdom is feminine....yep.
Originally posted by debbiejo
OH, you noticed my problem with Paul... 😎 Even the Jews will look at what Jesus taught, but know Paul spoke much differently then the OT taught....Personally I feel Paul screwed up the church teachings....Jesus was more in line with the big 10, but Paul added his own views on things...
As for Jesus being god, that open for interpretation.........mmmm hmmm...yep....
I feel Jesus was telling us we could become like him, one with the father, and father really isn't male, since a god couldn't be male or female...what and why would it....It was for familiarity....Father or Mother.....Just like in Proverbs, wisdom is feminine....yep.
True God is neither male or female in terms of human gender. Well debbiejo, if Jesus is telling us we could become like Him, then keeping the "big 10" is necessary, because Jesus said to keep them, and keeping them shows God that we love God.
Originally posted by KPrinceJesus said
True God is neither male or female in terms of human gender. Well debbiejo, if Jesus is telling us we could become like Him, then keeping the "big 10" is necessary, because Jesus said to keep them, and keeping them shows God that we love God.
1....Love god with all your heart and mind and soul
2....And love your neighbor as yourself...
You still have have a working meaning of what "Love god" means though.....
And for loving your neighbor, I think most intelligent people can figure that one out.... 🙂
[QUOTE=5598698]Originally posted by debbiejo
[B]Jesus said
1....Love god with all your heart and mind and soul
2....And love your neighbor as yourself...
You still have have a working meaning of what "Love god" means though.....
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." I John 5:3
That is the love that humanity lacks. 😉
Originally posted by KPrince
A believer? A believer in what? In God? Sure, people believe in God, but do they believe God...no. The human mind hates God, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:7If the human mind hates God, why should it believe God?
Originally posted by KPrince
[QUOTE=5598698]Originally posted by debbiejo
[B]Jesus said1....Love god with all your heart and mind and soul
2....And love your neighbor as yourself...
You still have have a working meaning of what "Love god" means though.....
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." I John 5:3
That is the love that humanity lacks. 😉
Yes, that we keep the 2 commandments according to Jesus...And I don't see what so hard about loving all of creation and the creation process, god or what ever you want to call it, and loving people...