Wonder Man vs Current Juggernaut

Juggernaut would really hurt Simon. WM has no chance in hell unless Dr. Strange was in his corner.

Originally posted by Thorion
No he isn't. From my limited knowledge, I really can't recall him having any extra-impressive strength feats, while WM has stalemated the likes of Hulk and Thor, overpowered Thor, lifted 50k punked Abomination..

You're right, Juggernaut has never stalemated Thor or Hulk. He's beaten them. 8th day Juggernaut absolutely wiped the floor with Thor.

I'm fairly sure Juggernaut doesn't still have his 8th day power-up

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You're right, Juggernaut has never stalemated Thor or Hulk. He's beaten them. 8th day Juggernaut absolutely wiped the floor with Thor.

The BFR in that book wasn't a win and he was severely depowered when he took the beat down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk bfered him and beat the shit out of him earlier. That is two wins in one day. 😆

Beat the shit out of him?

What comic were you reading?

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk bfered him and beat the shit out of him earlier. That is two wins in one day. 😆

😆 No he didn't

The first fight was with a depowered Juggernaut (If I remember correctly Cyttorak hadn't even given him his armour).

Originally posted by llagrok
Beat the shit out of him?

What comic were you reading?

The correct one.

Juggernaut did get his ass kicked in the original fight.

untill he got his full power back which was more or less a stalemate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk bfered him and beat the shit out of him earlier. That is two wins in one day. 😆

..........bfr win? Not really juggernaut wnet like 40 feet away thats not a bfr. thats a hulk new he could not defeat jugg so he bought him self a few seconds to crap prof. and run. thats far from a win.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The correct one.

Juggernaut did get his ass kicked in the original fight.

untill he got his full power back which was more or less a stalemate.

Aaah yeah, the "original fight"

The Juggernaut was knocked out so fast I didn't even consider it a fight 😱

If we wanna argue about Wonder Man, why don't we talk about Marvel changing him back to his old costume, I mean, this is the crappiest RETCON EVER!!!
Without any explanation, he cannot fly anymore, or change to his ionic form, which was powerful enough to challenge top tiers.
They should take a decision, kill him once and for all, or put him back to his top dog levels.He was such a great character, onestly I don't like anymore marvel at all, they destroyed the Avengers, killed Cap, the only emotion I find is in their old comic books, see Busiek/Perez Avengers and stuff like that.

Originally posted by Thorion
Fine. You've convinced me. For now 😛. The TS didn't say no BFR, though did he? So I'll call it a stalemate. If It's a arena battle there are very few superhumans who can take Cain. If the majority of flying bricks are in a place where they can utilise their flight and superior speed, they can certainly take some wins. Cains' main advantage isn't in his strength It's in his durability so I honestly can't see how this wouldn't be an extremely close match which could go either way.

Cain has infinite/limitless strength, one of the mystical gifts of Cyttorak. Think about it: Have you ever once seen him NOT able to lift/break through/pull/push something?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cain has infinite/limitless strength, one of the mystical gifts of Cyttorak. Think about it: Have you ever once seen him NOT able to lift/break through/pull/push something?

The whole "Juggernaut has limitless strength" is really nothing more than fan speculation.

Originally posted by Accel
The thing is, that doesn't really provide evidence of any thing.

The whole "Juggernaut has limitless strength" is really nothing more than fan speculation.

If I recall correctly, it's also stated in his biography that Cain is endowed with limitless strength from Cyttorak.

In his bio it does indeed say he has the potential to possess unlimited strength.

Originally posted by Accel
The thing is, that doesn't really provide evidence of any thing.

The whole "Juggernaut has limitless strength" is really nothing more than fan speculation.

I wasn't trying to prove my point with the following question. I was merely proposing an example of my factual statement.

Originally posted by Soljer
If I recall correctly, it's also stated in his biography that Cain is endowed with limitless strength from Cyttorak.

Exactly. 👆