Have you any sense at all? I've played KOTOR all the way through nine times, so I know it rather well.
The Star Forge can create ships, but so can any regular shipyard. The Star Forge just does it more quickly than other shipyards. The Alliance has more planets, giving them a greater number of shipyards.
Sorry, when I told you to prove up I forgot to add reason and use of logic in with it.
Originally posted by fisto/katarnrul
if anyone else reads this you no he lost the arguement and he failed to supply enough evidence
He didn't, actually.
PT and OT technology utterly owns the technology of Revan's time. A single Rebel cruiser would destroy any single Revan cruiser. The Star Forge is a big factor, but it didn't shell out ships in a matter of seconds. It took a little while. Also, single shipyards don't take years, dude. If that were the case, I'm kinda wondering how Palpatine managed to mass produce the Imperial Starfleet in such a low amount of time.
Point being, the Rebels would only go down if Revan outsmarted him. But the Rebels have Admiral Ackbar. It's hard to top him.
You said that Leviathans were 1/6 the size of Home One? Leviathans would be (3,800 meters/6 = 630 meters). True, in Revan's time, even ships that large don't have shields and superconductor armor could resist the slow-fire-rate turbolasers of that day.
You know, the oldest fast-firing turbolasers date back from 32 years BBY. MC80s have those (48) and measure 1,200 meters, so assuming that one of these can destroy two Leviathans, seen the measurement above, is very conservative.
Meh...the Rebel Alliance would curbstomp the Sith Empire.
They have more troops, more advanced technology, more firepower, more ships, more resources and at least some commanders that are pretty near Revan in terms of tactical finesse (Ackbar for example).
With the fact that most of Revan's capital ships don't have shield generators the weaponery of a single Rebel starfighter might be enough to destroy a ship like that (Laser, Photon torpedos, several other missiles / bombs) and with the lack of shield generators Revan's ships won't have any protection against fire from ion-cannons, meaning that the Rebels can take them out quite easily.
The only advantage on Revan's side it that he has more force users - yet none of them was skilled enough to counter Bastilla's battle meditation and in a space fight force users won't be much of a help (even if Revan puts any force user available into a starfighter).
Originally posted by Twilight Janick
You said that Leviathans were 1/6 the size of Home One? Leviathans would be (3,800 meters/6 = 630 meters). True, in Revan's time, even ships that large don't have shields and superconductor armor could resist the slow-fire-rate turbolasers of that day.You know, the oldest fast-firing turbolasers date back from 32 years BBY. MC80s have those (48) and measure 1,200 meters, so assuming that one of these can destroy two Leviathans, seen the measurement above, is very conservative.
What is your source for the first fast firing turbolasers?
Also note that starwars.com puts the length of the Leviathan at 600 meters, so 630 is definately not conservative. Ship length isn't the only thing that defines how powerful a ship is. Mass and power generation are what count.
The Leviathan has 4 turbolasers. Doesn't look good for it against the MC-80, especially since all of the MC-80's turbolasers are three times more powerful than the Leviathans. That's over 25 times more turbolaser power from each MC-80. Start adding things like Home One(old sources state 29 turbolasers, but this was later up-dated to 75 in some places and 92 in others) and a single ship can take on 30 or 40 of Revan's ships.
Originally posted by fisto/katarnrul
i dont think so
You don't think much at all, do you?
Okay guys, no one mentioned this so I'll put it out there. In a war it's not just all of Revans fleets versus all of the Rebels, if it was, Rebels would stomp the hell out of them do to superior technology and numbers. The thing you guys didn't account for was that Revan would steal Rebel technology (or get his minions to steal it, more likely) and be able to rally a lot of planets to his cause (yes I did steal that, but it seemed fitting). I am still not sure who wins this (although I am leaning twords the Rebels) and haven't seen good arguments for or against either sides of these points.
P.S. Technology for taking out droids during the Rebellion era is very advanced. Just thought I should shed some light on this issue, too.
I did account for Revan trying to steal Rebel technology and I don't think that it means much. If Napolean stole the designs and materials for a nuke, could he have built one? No. Neither could Revan. There were to many advances and advances that led to advances for Revan's Empire to figure before the Alliance would cruch them.
How is Revan going to rally thousands of planets to his side? He isn't going to get any of them by fear, since the Empire is hundreds of times worse than Revan's Empire. He isn't going to get many by force that will be usuable before the war is over(planets with shield technology can't be captured without become vunerable themselves for a long time unless cloaking technology is used[aka Thrawn Campaign]).