Originally posted by FeceMan
Ask the mods to fix your spelling of the word 'grammar'.kthx
(YOU take 245 crushing damage from the irony!)
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
What's going on? Why is competent spelling, grammar (yes, the title was intentional) and punctuation such a novelty nowadays?
I dodged it. Your irony-attack was laughable.
I also find poor grammar, spelling and punctuation lamentable, but perhaps we are engaged in a battle of futility? Modern man has developed so many technological advancements in the area of communication, that perhaps it is inevitable that the nature of our language changes as a result. Indeed, the globalisation of English as the pre-eminent lanuage of choice has also undoubtedly affected the nature of the language.
It is also important to point out that this is not a recent occurance; language - like life - has always evolved...
Take it away, Chaucer...
'Ye knowe eek, that in forme of speche is chaunge
With-inne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden prys, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do;
Eek for to winne love in sondry ages,
In sondry londes, sondry been usages.'
(Excerpt from Book 2 of Troilus and Criseyde)
Yup, absolutely no grammatical problem in VVD's post there. 'Funnily enough', both words being used as adverbs, is an adverbial phrase; that adverbial phrase is being used to modify the previous clause: "Neither do I".
To quote Crystal directly:
"Adverbials perform diverse roles in sentence construction. Some add information about an event; some link clauses together; and some add a comment about what is being expressed."
Other examples of often used adverbial phrases include 'terribly slowly' and 'very quickly indeed', or even 'quite soon'.
Whob's error was twofold- first in assuming 'enough' was an adjective when it was not, and then again in assuming that those two words in the second clause had to refer to each other, when in fact they were both referring to the previous clause.
Not the first time you have been wrong about English, whob, and yes, I am an English teacher, and yes, you can try and claim that my English is no good until the cows come home, but the fact is that it is always you that is in error and this thread is just proof of that again
As for the thread title- you need to look at what grammar and spelling are actually FOR. They have a purpose. If they are not being well observed in some areas, you should probably look for causes as to why those purposes are being eroded.
Language is the only true democracy (with the exception of French), but never have I seen a democracy more resented. Everyone talks happily about how organic and adaptable the English language is, but then you point them in the direction of where that logic leads- say, text speech- and the average middle-class house owner runs a mile.
You can't ever really make English prescriptive, but people will eventually have to accept the entire logic of that.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
you can try and claim that my English is no good
I'll accept this only because we are indulging in a literal conversation. I'm referring to the 'no good' part. Ironic? Yes, but was it intentional? Bygones? OK, but can we really call it an idiom? 'Semantics'...agreed. Let's stop this nonsense.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Language is the only true democracy (with the exception of French), but never have I seen a democracy more resented. Everyone talks happily about how organic and adaptable the English language is, but then you point them in the direction of where that logic leads- say, text speech- and the average middle-class house owner runs a mile.You can't ever really make English prescriptive, but people will eventually have to accept the entire logic of that,
John 3:16
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yup, absolutely no grammatical problem in VVD's post there. 'Funnily enough', both words being used as adverbs, is an adverbial phrase; that adverbial phrase is being used to modify the previous clause: "Neither do I".To quote Crystal directly:
"Adverbials perform diverse roles in sentence construction. Some add information about an event; some link clauses together; and some add a comment about what is being expressed."
Other examples of often used adverbial phrases include 'terribly slowly' and 'very quickly indeed', or even 'quite soon'.
Whob's error was twofold- first in assuming 'enough' was an adjective when it was not, and then again in assuming that those two words in the second clause had to refer to each other, when in fact they were both referring to the previous clause.
Not the first time you have been wrong about English, whob, and yes, I am an English teacher, and yes, you can try and claim that my English is no good until the cows come home, but the fact is that it is always you that is in error and this thread is just proof of that again
As for the thread title- you need to look at what grammar and spelling are actually FOR. They have a purpose. If they are not being well observed in some areas, you should probably look for causes as to why those purposes are being eroded.
Is that a valid satirical refutation Ush?
Ya Flunk'd the irony of your posts illude me..
lol
Fin
How about REDUNDANCIES? Aren't you conscious about those expressions?
e.g
business transaction
free gift
bad omen
month of December
green in color
rectangular in shape
spin around
ascended up
repeat again
...etc.
These expressions are commonly used, can be expected from any speeches, but they are technically wrong.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Interesting thread, more interesting is that Whob was schooled by at least three individuals as to why he was mistaken and yet would not concede the point.When you have been so glaringly proved mistaken, why not just admit to the mistake? That debate should have ended pages ago.
Very rarely am I wrong about anything. Even Captain Fantastic illuded to this in another thread. Perhaps it has something to do with Creationalism and Creationalists..or perhaps it has something to do with birds evolving from dinosaurs, whatever the case may be, it was truly a valid satirical refutation. 😉
Fin
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Very rarely am I wrong about anything. Even Captain Fantastic illuded to this in another thread. Perhaps it has something to do with Creationalism and Creationalists..or perhaps it has something to do with birds evolving from dinosaurs, whatever the case may be, it was truly a valid satirical refutation. 😉Fin
I think that you have confused 'never being wrong' with 'the inability to admit when you are wrong'. But, whatever gets you through the day...