Originally posted by D_CP
There is plenty of reasons why Revan is powerful. Like how he really didn't fall to the dark side, he controlled it. To control something like that means you're really bad ass.
Originally posted by calvin44My God, do you really think Revan and Malak's empire was limited to KORRIBAN? They had thousands of planets under their grip, otherwise noone would pay them any attention.
he did not controll mass planets. korriban is a hellhole in the wall. that is like saying that the mandalorians had an empire cause they conquered planets and had an army.
If you control that many planets, then YES, you are indeed and empire.
Just like Britain with their lands...and the Romans.
A little off topic but... what makes people think Revan is so powerful? No offense and I'm not denying it or anything, but people say he could curbstomp like every PT Jedi, what is the evidence?
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That doesn't make him impressive. There are no sources that I have seen that are any good. Just post a few quotes or something... Please and thank you.
P.S. Yes I have played Kotor.
A few things do it for me.
1. He was the strongest Jedi/Sith of his time in the entire galaxy.
2. He studied Ancient Sith knowledge for years on Malachor V.
3. He fought through the entire SF to get to Malak.
4. He defeated Malak a minimum of two times in a row without rest even after having just slain several Sith and fought many droids.
I'm not here to battle, I just want to tell you that I'm not against you, just curious.
1. How do we know that, and what does it prove (were those Jedi as good as the PT ones)?
2. PT Jedi study in the Jedi Temple for their whole life.
3. He could have sneaked past any guards, we don't know that he actually killed/ destroyed anything, in fact, if he didn't sneak past them and he could have, he's probably not that smart...
4. How do we know Malak is powerful at all? We know he is powerful enough to control the Star Forge, but we don't know how much power that takes...
Just to reiterate, this isn't an attack, sorry if it seems like one.
It would be a good factor to assume that both average PT and average KOTOR era Jedi are at the same level - some would argue they are stronger, but for the sake of argument lets just say there equal.
Although GL does say the Golden Age of the Jedi was PT time, this does not mean they were most powerful. The title of Golden Age most probably means that its was a peaceful time when the Jedi prospered. Compared with KOTOR era Jedi who were around near the time of the Golden Age Of The Sith (thats my assumption, someone please correct me) the Jedi would have been a lot stronger to defeat the Sith etc.
Unfortunately, I am going to admit, that we can't base anything else Revan did except in the games. I say it's unfortunate 'cause I hate to base levels of power and ability off video-games.
So going by them we have to realize that none of the KOTOR Jedi at the time could stop Revan or Malak, and since the PT Jedi were the weakest in the Jedi's history, (in terms of Force-usage, not numbers, "I think it's time that we inform the Senate that our ability to use the Force is diminished."😉 then we can say that Revan and Malak were stronger than them.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
A few things do it for me.1. He was the strongest Jedi/Sith of his time in the entire galaxy.
2. He studied Ancient Sith knowledge for years on Malachor V.
3. He fought through the entire SF to get to Malak.
4. He defeated Malak a minimum of two times in a row without rest even after having just slain several Sith and fought many droids.
Originally posted by Tangible God
My God, do you really think Revan and Malak's empire was limited to KORRIBAN? They had thousands of planets under their grip, otherwise noone would pay them any attention.If you control that many planets, then YES, you are indeed and empire.
Just like Britain with their lands...and the Romans.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
1. How do we know that, and what does it prove (were those Jedi as good as the PT ones)?
We don't actually "know" it, but it can be inferred from the fact that he defeated the most powerful Sith(Malak) and one of his lackeys(the Exile) defeated the strongest Jedi and many powerful Sith( Vrook, Sion, Traya, Atris, and Kavar).
Originally posted by jollyjim311
2. PT Jedi study in the Jedi Temple for their whole life.
The Temple doesn't contain the knowledge of the people like Ragnos and Sadow though.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
3. He could have sneaked past any guards, we don't know that he actually killed/ destroyed anything, in fact, if he didn't sneak past them and he could have, he's probably not that smart...
I don't know if you can actually snekk past them all. I think some of them still spot you. I was actually referring to the three Sith you have to kill to get to Malak near the end of the level, btw.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
4. How do we know Malak is powerful at all? We know he is powerful enough to control the Star Forge, but we don't know how much power that takes...
We know Malak was the DLOS, meaning he was the most powerful. We also know that he slew 2 Jedi very quickly as he did that in a FMV.
Originally posted by calvin44When they mention Korriban in the game, they note how it is "deep in Sith space." Deep as in many lightyears deep. Thousands of planets are within those boundaries, do you KNOW how many are listed in the SW galaxy, yet in KOTOR they mention like 6. They controlled more than one planet dude---it was thousands.
Id like to know the names of the other plantets they controlled.
The only reason the republic was scared is because:
1.) the republic was left very weak after the mandalorian wars.
2.) revan and malak controlled many soldiers that were under their command during the mandalorian wars.