Federal Court to shutdown the Kazaa file sharing network within days

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Most people don't go out and buy a britney spears album cause they only like one or two songs off it and consider it a ripoff to pay 12 bucks for a CD single. so they download a pirate copy. If they put out something truely brilliant, human nature tells us that people would want to own a physical copy of it.

Are you reading anyone's post? If you don't want to buy the single or the album spend a buck on the track online. If they don't want to fork over the money for that person's music then it mustn't be worth having. Again! Whether or not an album is up to your standard doesn't matter! If it's worth your time stealing it. It's worth buying.

Originally posted by Nevermind
Are you reading anyone's post? If you don't want to buy the single or the album spend a buck on the track online. If they don't want to fork over the money for that person's music then it mustn't be worth having. Again! Whether or not an album is up to your standard doesn't matter! If it's worth your time stealing it. It's worth buying.

he has a different opinion to you - his post indicates he has read your post but disagrees with it.

Whirly, you say money doesn't join creativity. Sure.

How do you suppose these bands pay to put our records and tour? Pay with air? Bottle caps?

I swear most of you just assume that they accumulate wealth and sit on it. THEY have to pay to go on tour much more than an individual will pay to go see em.

-AC

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
he has a different opinion to you - his post indicates he has read your post but disagrees with it.

First off, his post wasn't directed at me. So therefore, it indicates nothing about my posts. I'm just mentioning that he's being repetitive. Because the arguement put forth by AC, Ush and I have already covered it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Whirly, you say money doesn't join creativity. Sure.

How do you suppose these bands pay to put our records and tour? Pay with air? Bottle caps?

I swear most of you just assume that they accumulate wealth and sit on it. THEY have to pay to go on tour much more than an individual will pay to go see em.

-AC

So you think tours don't produce revenue on their own?
hmmmmm........ Mick Jagger might disagree.

-SWS🙂

If you can quote me saying that, by all means do so.

Seeing as I never implied such, don't infer such.

-AC

meh to kazaa, its just full of virus infected porn now anyway

i hope limewire stays.

If it weren't for file sharing programs and illegal downloading, I would've never gotten into music in the first place cause the internet is the only way I found most of the music i listen to. I download a lot.. probably a lot more than the average p2p user.. but I also buy about 3 albums a week. I can't say that it's morally justifiable, nor that it should be legal.. but I'm glad it exists because it helps me find new music and is the only reason that I even spend any money on albums at all.

Another thing is that a lot of artists I like don't even have their albums in local retail stores so I have no way of buying it since I don't have a credit card and can't purchase things online. I'm basically limited to whatever they have at Best Buy.

$1.00 per song is a ripoff and i'm guessing that the artist wont see 99.99 cents of that purchase (rounded up to a dollar due to money calculations)

Considering the average single is $3.99, it's no rip off.

-AC

Originally posted by manny321
Cry me a river!! for the big ass snobby artists

However its wrong to download a song of a struggling new group.

Its mostly the convience factor. Getting a good song you can put on your mp3 player in less then 2 mins is hard to resist for a lot of people

Actually it's always stealing....but I guess everyone has decide for themself....

Originally posted by manny321
Cry me a river!! for the big ass snobby artists

However its wrong to download a song of a struggling new group.

Its mostly the convience factor. Getting a good song you can put on your mp3 player in less then 2 mins is hard to resist for a lot of people

Originally posted by Darth Jello
If they already have a compensatory fund for copywrite infingement, any further monetary compensation they get from suing people would be considered double jeopardy.

Also, NONE of any compensation money goes to the artists. Record companies wouldn't be going bankrupt if they didn't release so much crappy music. Most people don't go out and buy a britney spears album cause they only like one or two songs off it and consider it a ripoff to pay 12 bucks for a CD single. so they download a pirate copy. If they put out something truely brilliant, human nature tells us that people would want to own a physical copy of it.

No it wouldn't. That's not double jeopardy at all; that is a mis-use of the term. Just because they are compensated for such infrignement, does not make infringement any less of a civil or criminal offence.

Double jeopardy can ONLY occur once the court stage has been reached.

"Removing money does not remove creativity - people will always make music

Destroying the industry means it will be more about Music and less about image. The net means distribution and supply is simple."

Do you like it there in Never Never Land?

I can't believe anyone could be that naive.

No, this would not happen. Without the drive of money, there would not be a fraction of the music we get today. People have to live, you know, and making music is a full time occupation.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
.00 per song is a ripoff and i'm guessing that the artist wont see 99.99 cents of that purchase (rounded up to a dollar due to money calculations)

Considering that an average CD has about 12 tracks and costs around $15.....I'd say not.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Without the drive of money, there would not be a fraction of the music we get today.

ahhh but think of the quality of music in that small fraction, as opposed to the over produced and mass marketed garbage we have today.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
People have to live, you know, and making music is a full time occupation.

no, touring is a full time occupation, and the main source for an artist's income after being bent over by their respective record labels, and mp3s have no effect on that.

actually good points I made earlier in the thread. Well done PVS!!

ahhh but think of the quality of music in that small fraction, as opposed to the over produced and mass marketed garbage we have today.

So just don't buy the stuff you think is garbage....leave it for the 13 year olds that will jump on anything MTV feeds them 😛

Originally posted by Lana
So just don't buy the stuff you think is garbage....leave it for the 13 year olds that will jump on anything MTV feeds them 😛

but thats the problem lana...i dont
there are a rare few bands i like these days.
black label society, sivertide...a couple of others.
but other than that im listening to oldschool shit
because the market is so damn stale.

and even bands that started out kickass have sold out.
and by 'sold out' i dont mean "ZOMG THEY'RE RICH *jealous*"
i mean simply that they allowed their record label and producer
to dictate their sound and turn it sterile and weak. they
restrict the band's creative process and in the end the band
acts as half-creative talent and half-xerox machine for what their
producers want to hear. metallica+bob rock anyone?

record labels cut the heart out of music. and as far as what kids buy,
you can have 4 guys on stage just standing there farting into the mics,
advertise the crap out of it and condition kids to like it on mtv...and
it will be a hit.

and yes, it DOES affect us, because while the market is flooded with crap,
what do we have to enjoy?

Originally posted by PVS

and yes, it DOES affect us, because while the market is flooded with crap,
what do we have to enjoy?

I think that's the eternal condition in the entertainment industry though. The ratio of good to shit is never that favourable.